

The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.
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Dec 8, 2025 • 11min
425 - The Cosmic Dance of Decorating a Christmas Tree
Explore the joyous ritual of decorating a Christmas tree with family, revealing dynamics and preferences that lead to both tension and laughter. Discover the balance of aesthetics as ornaments create organic patterns amidst chaos. Learn how the tree becomes a metaphor for social order and reflects family culture. Jonathan Pageau eloquently ties celebration to a dance of unified improvisation, blending shared purpose with individual expression. Join in the festive journey of tradition and creativity!

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Dec 4, 2025 • 59min
424 - Universal History: The American Religion - with Dcn Seraphim Rohlin
Deacon Seraphim Rohlin, an insightful Orthodox deacon and scholar, delves into the intriguing landscape of American religious history. He uncovers how Puritan foundations and dramatic conversions shaped the American Religion, highlighting revivalism and its emotional intensity. Rohlin explores the roots of movements like Mormonism and Spiritualism, linking them to social crises and folk magic. He also critiques the American focus on individual conversion and divine experience, offering fascinating insights into the spiritual journey of a nation.

Nov 28, 2025 • 57min
423 - Catholic Unscripted - Violence as the New Normal
Jonathan Pageau, an artist and symbolic thinker, discusses the unsettling return of violence in modern society following pivotal events like Charlie Kirk's assassination. He explores the decline of the post-WWII consensus, contrasts historical attitudes towards violence, and critiques modern disenchantment. Pageau draws connections between the Israel-Gaza conflict, sacred space, and community alienation. He also emphasizes the importance of symbolism in masculinity and femininity, alongside a call for local community rebuilding through subsidiarity.

Nov 18, 2025 • 26min
422 - Why Exaggeration Is Necessary in Storytelling
The podcast delves into the art of exaggeration in storytelling, revealing how films like The Conjuring amplify real events to enhance meaning. It explores the transformation of legends, using Alexander the Great as an example of how embellished tales grow over time. The discussion tackles the concept of exaggerated spectacles, likening them to magic shows that captivate audiences. It also highlights the dangers of exaggerated narratives, from the 1980s satanic panic to modern-day conspiracies, urging listeners to discern real patterns behind sensational stories.

Nov 14, 2025 • 57min
421 - Deacon Seraphim (Richard) Rohlin - Recovering Our Heritage
Deacon Seraphim (Richard) Rohlin, an Orthodox deacon and CEO of Symbolic World Press, dives into the significance of heritage recovery and an enchanted Christian life. He discusses how modernity has fragmented shared experiences and contrasts ancient perceptions of time with contemporary views. Rohlin critiques the 1619 Project as a competing origin story and highlights the importance of feasts as portals to sacred time. He urges a return to practices like feasting and hospitality to transmit deep Christian patterns and restore community connections.

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Nov 6, 2025 • 19min
420 - How Free Will Actually Works
Explore the intriguing nature of free will, as insights from St. Maximus the Confessor reveal a shift from the illusion of choice to a deeper understanding of freedom. Discover how true liberty means aligning with higher goods and embracing loving discipline, enhancing joy in family life. Delve into examples like mastering stairs, illustrating how moral development leads to effortless action. Finally, learn how choosing higher goods liberates us from lower constraints, crafting a richer sense of purpose.

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Oct 31, 2025 • 24min
419 - Trick or Treat: Halloween Symbolism in Little Red Riding Hood
Diving into Halloween's spooky traditions, the discussion reveals trick-or-treating as a way to appease mythical monsters. The parallels between Little Red Riding Hood and Halloween rituals unfold, highlighting how wolves in disguise reflect hidden dangers. The podcast explores the house as a symbol of identity and safety, juxtaposed with the risks of embracing strangers. Sexual undertones and the role of monsters in reflecting societal fears of identity loss are examined, making it a fascinating take on folklore and modern cultural warnings.

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Oct 29, 2025 • 30min
418 - The Symbolism of the Entire Divine Comedy in the First Canto
Diving into the first canto of Dante’s Divine Comedy reveals a world of rich symbolism and layered meanings. The discussion highlights Dante's journey from chaos in the dark wood to the hope of enlightenment on the hill. Each beast symbolizes inner turmoil and the obstacles to spiritual ascent. Virgil, as Dante’s guide from the realm of pagan wisdom, signifies a bridge to higher truth. With insights into divine order and the emotional weight of the heart-as-water imagery, the analysis offers a profound glimpse into the structure of the poem.

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Oct 25, 2025 • 49min
417 - Three Things Christians Must Do to Rebuild Culture (Touchstone talk)
Explore how today's culture is fraying at the seams, offering Christians a chance for renewal. Delve into the crisis caused by a century of disruption and the hunger for continuity. Discover a threefold program: remember, celebrate, and create, aiming to rebuild culture. Jonathan emphasizes the importance of reclaiming historical memory and the role of worship in shaping art and public life. He advocates for high-quality Christian art, urging artists to adapt secular techniques while preserving truth and beauty. This is a call to transform culture through creativity!

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Oct 17, 2025 • 22min
416 - Tangled: The Triumph of Self-Realization
The discussion dives into Disney's Tangled and its departure from the traditional Rapunzel narrative. It highlights themes of self-realization versus familial bonds, contrasting the original tale's focus on union with the modern emphasis on personal growth. The symbolism of hair reflects external beauty masking deeper truths, while the characters’ relationships explore the consequences of replacing meaning with pleasure. Ultimately, it critiques how this shift may weaken the story's original intent.


