

The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.
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Dec 24, 2025 • 20min
428 - Why they want you to think Christmas is pagan
Explore the debate around the origins of Christmas and its supposed pagan roots. Discover how the date of December 25th was linked to Christian traditions, countering critiques from Puritans and Enlightenment thinkers. Delve into the symbolic meanings of Christmas traditions like the tree and star, viewed as representations of divine revelation. Jonathan highlights the transformation of pre-Christian practices, urging a deeper understanding rather than reductionist views. Celebrate the rich symbolism of Christmas with a fresh perspective!

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Dec 18, 2025 • 1h 14min
427 - Dr. Iain McGilchrist - Artificial Intelligence, Possession, and Mental Illness
Dr. Iain McGilchrist, a British psychiatrist and neuroscientist, delves into the complex interplay between artificial intelligence, mental illness, and consciousness. He emphasizes the seductive nature of AI and its potential to displace human creativity. Iain critiques the reductionist dominance of the left hemisphere of the brain and discusses risks like AI as a conduit for non-human influences. He also connects intelligence in simple life forms to broader concepts of consciousness, advocating for the importance of moral grounding in countering technological hubris.

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Dec 11, 2025 • 39min
426 - Andrew Gould - Monks and Pirates: Two Extremes that Explain the Rest of Us
In this conversation, Andrew Gould, a writer and commentator known for his exploration of cultural symbols, delves into the surprising connections between Orthodox monks and pirates. They discuss how both groups share a lifestyle of isolation and treasure accumulation, along with their distinct costumes that reflect historical identities. Gould highlights the balance of continuity and disruption in their lives, as well as the romantic allure of piracy alongside its darker realities. They also critique the portrayal of pirates in popular culture and explore themes of redemption and sacrifice.

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Dec 8, 2025 • 11min
425 - The Cosmic Dance of Decorating a Christmas Tree
Explore the joyous ritual of decorating a Christmas tree with family, revealing dynamics and preferences that lead to both tension and laughter. Discover the balance of aesthetics as ornaments create organic patterns amidst chaos. Learn how the tree becomes a metaphor for social order and reflects family culture. Jonathan Pageau eloquently ties celebration to a dance of unified improvisation, blending shared purpose with individual expression. Join in the festive journey of tradition and creativity!

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Dec 4, 2025 • 59min
424 - Universal History: The American Religion - with Dcn Seraphim Rohlin
Deacon Seraphim Rohlin, an insightful Orthodox deacon and scholar, delves into the intriguing landscape of American religious history. He uncovers how Puritan foundations and dramatic conversions shaped the American Religion, highlighting revivalism and its emotional intensity. Rohlin explores the roots of movements like Mormonism and Spiritualism, linking them to social crises and folk magic. He also critiques the American focus on individual conversion and divine experience, offering fascinating insights into the spiritual journey of a nation.

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Nov 28, 2025 • 57min
423 - Catholic Unscripted - Violence as the New Normal
Jonathan Pageau, an artist and symbolic thinker, discusses the unsettling return of violence in modern society following pivotal events like Charlie Kirk's assassination. He explores the decline of the post-WWII consensus, contrasts historical attitudes towards violence, and critiques modern disenchantment. Pageau draws connections between the Israel-Gaza conflict, sacred space, and community alienation. He also emphasizes the importance of symbolism in masculinity and femininity, alongside a call for local community rebuilding through subsidiarity.

Nov 18, 2025 • 26min
422 - Why Exaggeration Is Necessary in Storytelling
The podcast delves into the art of exaggeration in storytelling, revealing how films like The Conjuring amplify real events to enhance meaning. It explores the transformation of legends, using Alexander the Great as an example of how embellished tales grow over time. The discussion tackles the concept of exaggerated spectacles, likening them to magic shows that captivate audiences. It also highlights the dangers of exaggerated narratives, from the 1980s satanic panic to modern-day conspiracies, urging listeners to discern real patterns behind sensational stories.

Nov 14, 2025 • 57min
421 - Deacon Seraphim (Richard) Rohlin - Recovering Our Heritage
Deacon Seraphim (Richard) Rohlin, an Orthodox deacon and CEO of Symbolic World Press, dives into the significance of heritage recovery and an enchanted Christian life. He discusses how modernity has fragmented shared experiences and contrasts ancient perceptions of time with contemporary views. Rohlin critiques the 1619 Project as a competing origin story and highlights the importance of feasts as portals to sacred time. He urges a return to practices like feasting and hospitality to transmit deep Christian patterns and restore community connections.

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Nov 6, 2025 • 19min
420 - How Free Will Actually Works
Explore the intriguing nature of free will, as insights from St. Maximus the Confessor reveal a shift from the illusion of choice to a deeper understanding of freedom. Discover how true liberty means aligning with higher goods and embracing loving discipline, enhancing joy in family life. Delve into examples like mastering stairs, illustrating how moral development leads to effortless action. Finally, learn how choosing higher goods liberates us from lower constraints, crafting a richer sense of purpose.

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Oct 31, 2025 • 24min
419 - Trick or Treat: Halloween Symbolism in Little Red Riding Hood
Diving into Halloween's spooky traditions, the discussion reveals trick-or-treating as a way to appease mythical monsters. The parallels between Little Red Riding Hood and Halloween rituals unfold, highlighting how wolves in disguise reflect hidden dangers. The podcast explores the house as a symbol of identity and safety, juxtaposed with the risks of embracing strangers. Sexual undertones and the role of monsters in reflecting societal fears of identity loss are examined, making it a fascinating take on folklore and modern cultural warnings.


