

The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.
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Nov 18, 2025 • 26min
422 - Why Exaggeration Is Necessary in Storytelling
The podcast delves into the art of exaggeration in storytelling, revealing how films like The Conjuring amplify real events to enhance meaning. It explores the transformation of legends, using Alexander the Great as an example of how embellished tales grow over time. The discussion tackles the concept of exaggerated spectacles, likening them to magic shows that captivate audiences. It also highlights the dangers of exaggerated narratives, from the 1980s satanic panic to modern-day conspiracies, urging listeners to discern real patterns behind sensational stories.

Nov 14, 2025 • 57min
421 - Deacon Seraphim (Richard) Rohlin - Recovering Our Heritage
Deacon Seraphim (Richard) Rohlin, an Orthodox deacon and CEO of Symbolic World Press, dives into the significance of heritage recovery and an enchanted Christian life. He discusses how modernity has fragmented shared experiences and contrasts ancient perceptions of time with contemporary views. Rohlin critiques the 1619 Project as a competing origin story and highlights the importance of feasts as portals to sacred time. He urges a return to practices like feasting and hospitality to transmit deep Christian patterns and restore community connections.

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Nov 6, 2025 • 19min
420 - How Free Will Actually Works
Explore the intriguing nature of free will, as insights from St. Maximus the Confessor reveal a shift from the illusion of choice to a deeper understanding of freedom. Discover how true liberty means aligning with higher goods and embracing loving discipline, enhancing joy in family life. Delve into examples like mastering stairs, illustrating how moral development leads to effortless action. Finally, learn how choosing higher goods liberates us from lower constraints, crafting a richer sense of purpose.

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Oct 31, 2025 • 24min
419 - Trick or Treat: Halloween Symbolism in Little Red Riding Hood
Diving into Halloween's spooky traditions, the discussion reveals trick-or-treating as a way to appease mythical monsters. The parallels between Little Red Riding Hood and Halloween rituals unfold, highlighting how wolves in disguise reflect hidden dangers. The podcast explores the house as a symbol of identity and safety, juxtaposed with the risks of embracing strangers. Sexual undertones and the role of monsters in reflecting societal fears of identity loss are examined, making it a fascinating take on folklore and modern cultural warnings.

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Oct 29, 2025 • 30min
418 - The Symbolism of the Entire Divine Comedy in the First Canto
Diving into the first canto of Dante’s Divine Comedy reveals a world of rich symbolism and layered meanings. The discussion highlights Dante's journey from chaos in the dark wood to the hope of enlightenment on the hill. Each beast symbolizes inner turmoil and the obstacles to spiritual ascent. Virgil, as Dante’s guide from the realm of pagan wisdom, signifies a bridge to higher truth. With insights into divine order and the emotional weight of the heart-as-water imagery, the analysis offers a profound glimpse into the structure of the poem.

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Oct 25, 2025 • 49min
417 - Three Things Christians Must Do to Rebuild Culture (Touchstone talk)
Explore how today's culture is fraying at the seams, offering Christians a chance for renewal. Delve into the crisis caused by a century of disruption and the hunger for continuity. Discover a threefold program: remember, celebrate, and create, aiming to rebuild culture. Jonathan emphasizes the importance of reclaiming historical memory and the role of worship in shaping art and public life. He advocates for high-quality Christian art, urging artists to adapt secular techniques while preserving truth and beauty. This is a call to transform culture through creativity!

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Oct 17, 2025 • 22min
416 - Tangled: The Triumph of Self-Realization
The discussion dives into Disney's Tangled and its departure from the traditional Rapunzel narrative. It highlights themes of self-realization versus familial bonds, contrasting the original tale's focus on union with the modern emphasis on personal growth. The symbolism of hair reflects external beauty masking deeper truths, while the characters’ relationships explore the consequences of replacing meaning with pleasure. Ultimately, it critiques how this shift may weaken the story's original intent.

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Oct 10, 2025 • 25min
415 - Charlie Kirk's Assassination: We have gone beyond the pale
The podcast explores the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk and its impact on societal unity. The host reflects on the surprising celebratory responses from some individuals and critiques media distortions surrounding Kirk's rhetoric. Historical context is provided on political violence, alongside a discussion on how both sides justify it. Insights on the danger of converting debate into enmity are shared, emphasizing the need for forgiveness and higher purpose. The conversation ultimately calls for maintaining respectful debate and guarding against radicalization.

Oct 3, 2025 • 1h 29min
414 - Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin (Universal History) - American Folk Magic and Christianity: From the Reformation to Mormonism
Deacon Seraphim Rohlin, an Orthodox scholar, delves into the intersections of magic, superstition, and Christianity in American culture. He explains how magic has persisted post-Reformation, despite efforts to eliminate ritual practices. The conversation includes the role of prayer as incantation, the historical roots of contemporary folk practices like 'granny magic,' and connections between treasure-hunting rituals and the rise of Mormonism. Rohlin also examines the blurred lines between self-serving manifestation and genuine prayer, revealing the ongoing need for enchantment in modern life.

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Sep 25, 2025 • 48min
413 - Heidi White - The Divided Soul: Duty and Desire in Literature and Life
Join author and educator Heidi White as she delves into the essence of her book, exploring the tension between duty and desire through literature and life. Heidi analyzes the prodigal son, illustrating how this age-old narrative reflects our inner conflicts. She discusses how stories from pop culture and classics reveal this duality, exemplifying characters like Iron Man and Captain America. With deep insights, Heidi invites listeners to reconcile their desires and duties for holistic joy, culminating in the unifying message of Christ's sacrificial love.


