
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.
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Feb 7, 2025 • 48min
378 - Richard Rohlin - Tolkien and Universal History
Richard Rohlin, a scholar of J.R.R. Tolkien's works, delves into Tolkien's unique vision of universal history. He discusses how Tolkien's storytelling reflects cosmic and romantic elements, reshaping mythical beings like elves and old gods within a Christian framework. Rohlin highlights the profound impact of 'The Lord of the Rings' on modern fantasy and explores the interconnections between local legends and broader narratives. He also previews an interactive course designed to deepen understanding of Tolkien's narratives and their significance.

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Feb 7, 2025 • 51min
377 - Annie Crawford - The Breakthrough of Myth
Annie Crawford, a C.S. Lewis expert and teacher, joins Jonathan Pageau to explore the depths of Lewis's 'Till We Have Faces.' They discuss the book’s mythic elements and its blend of paganism and Christian themes. Crawford highlights the evolution of Lewis's writing and the significance of symbols like the veil in revealing truth versus deception. Additionally, they touch on complex topics such as mimetic desire and sacrifice, showcasing how myth and imagination weave through Lewis's narratives to express profound human experiences.

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Jan 19, 2025 • 1h 14min
376 - Fr. Stephen De Young - St. Paul the Pharisee
Fr. Stephen De Young, a priest and author focused on St. Paul and Second Temple Judaism, dives deep into the complexities of St. Paul's writings. He challenges common misunderstandings by positioning Paul within his historical context as a Pharisee. The conversation reveals how misinterpretations stemming from the Protestant Reformation have influenced key Christian divisions. Fr. Stephen also emphasizes St. Paul's teachings on faith, community, and inclusivity, encouraging a more nuanced understanding that aligns with Jesus' vision.

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Jan 12, 2025 • 59min
375 - Paul Kingsnorth - Western Civilization Is Already Dead
Paul Kingsnorth, an author and speaker known for his critical take on Western civilization, dives deep into the tensions between Christianity and culture. He challenges the notion of using faith as a mere tool for cultural preservation, questioning if Western civilization is still salvageable. Kingsnorth also explores the contradictions of living Christian values in a materialistic society, while advocating for a return to foundational storytelling to rekindle civilizational identity. He critically examines the implications of Western culture on a global scale, urging a reevaluation of modern values.

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Jan 6, 2025 • 28min
374 - The Role of St. John the Baptist
Explore the fascinating role of St. John the Baptist as a forerunner, emphasizing his symbolic call for repentance. Discover how his actions and characteristics reflect Old Testament themes, from the flood of Noah to the Tower of Babel. Delve into his transformative presence in the wilderness and the prophetic significance of his life and death. Unpack how John's challenge to established norms sparks spiritual renewal and paves the way for a new divine revelation, bridging the past with the present.

Jan 5, 2025 • 1h 21min
373 - Matthew Wilkinson - Mystical Bach and the Breakdown of Music
In this engaging discussion, Matthew Wilkinson, an accomplished organist and conductor, dives deep into the symbolic richness of Bach's organ works. He explores how Bach's 'Klavierübung III' intertwines theological themes with musical structure, reflecting the Trinity. The conversation also highlights the narrative arc in music akin to a hero's journey, alongside the complexities of fugues. Furthermore, Wilkinson examines the evolution of music from the Baroque era to postmodernism, showcasing how artistic philosophies shape emotional experiences.

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Dec 24, 2024 • 39min
372 - Christmas: The Anchor of Reality (Repost)
Delve into the rich symbolism of Christmas as the nativity scene is explored, revealing its deep historical and spiritual meanings. Key figures like the wise men and shepherds illuminate the themes of purity in Christ's birth. The hidden light of the celebration ties to deeper Orthodox traditions, inviting discussions on iconography's significance. Additionally, the transformative power of baptism is examined, reflecting on its role in cultural changes and the connection to early Christian imagery.

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Dec 21, 2024 • 25min
371 - The Dark Side of Christmas: The Massacre of the Innocent(s)
Delve into the dark tale of the Massacre of the Innocents by King Herod, a tragic event often overshadowed by the festive spirit of Christmas. Discover how this somber narrative connects to ancient stories like that of Moses and David, highlighting themes of sacrifice and survival. Uncover the intricate symbolism woven throughout, revealing deeper truths about community identity amid external pressures and familial complexities. The exploration offers a thought-provoking perspective on the Christmas narrative and its historical implications.

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Dec 13, 2024 • 24min
370 - The Restoration of Notre Dame - Did They Get It Right?
The discussion highlights the monumental restoration of Notre Dame after the devastating fire. Reflections reveal the church's architectural and emotional importance amidst modern challenges. The hosts explore the significance of altars, emphasizing traditional designs as symbols of stability. They critique modern interpretations that may dilute historical values. A fascinating contrast unfolds between modernism and gothic traditions, creating a dialogue that questions the coherence of contemporary church aesthetics.

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Dec 7, 2024 • 1h 17min
369 - Fr Josiah Trenham - Orthodoxy in America
Fr. Josiah Trenham, Archpriest at St. Andrew Orthodox Church and founder of Patristic Nectar Publications, shares his insights on the state of Orthodoxy in America after over 30 years of priesthood. He discusses the challenges faced by converts, emphasizing the importance of beauty in worship and community life. The conversation touches on the resurgence of faith post-COVID, the impact of psychedelics, and the rise of artificial intelligence. Fr. Josiah advocates for a deep, transformative faith in an increasingly materialistic world.
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