
Digital Health Section Podcast- Royal Society of Medicine
Discover how digital technologies are transforming healthcare through interviews with leading digital health experts. Presented by Dr Annabelle Painter
All views expressed in this podcast are of the speakers themselves and not of the RSM.
Find out more about the RSM digital council:
rsm.ac/dhsectionpodcast
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Latest episodes

Sep 11, 2023 • 34min
AI confidence by design, from regulation to explanation. With Dr Mike Nix- Lead AI Clinical Scientist at Leeds NHS trust
This episode focusses on the topic of confidence in healthcare AI technologies. My guest is Dr Mike Nix, Lead AI Clinical Scientist at Leeds NHS trust.
Discussion topics include:
How AI errors and human errors are fundamentally different, and why that’s so important in the context of healthcare AI
The concept of explainable AI and its potential limitations in the context of human cognitive biases and decision making
The role of regulation in supporting AI confidence
Link to reports on Healthcare workers' confidence in AI:
https://digital-transformation.hee.nhs.uk/building-a-digital-workforce/dart-ed/horizon-scanning/understanding-healthcare-workers-confidence-in-ai
https://digital-transformation.hee.nhs.uk/building-a-digital-workforce/dart-ed/horizon-scanning/developing-healthcare-workers-confidence-in-ai

Aug 28, 2023 • 35min
Evaluating digital health solutions. With Dr Saira Ghafur- Co-founder of Prova Health
This episode centres on the evaluation of digital health solutions. It features a conversation with Dr Saira Ghafur, Consultant in Respiratory medicine and co-founder of Prova Health.
Discussion topics include
- The different types of evidence required at different stages of product development
- The use of innovative approaches such as simulation to produce evidence for digital health technologies
- The importance of linking evidence and reimbursement and different international approaches that are being implemented to tackle this

Aug 14, 2023 • 35min
Powering PIFU- how technology is reshaping patient pathways. With Tom Whicher- CEO of DrDoctor
This episode focusses on PIFU (patient initiated follow up) and how technology is helping to reimagine outpatient care pathways. It features a conversation with Tom Whicher, CEO and co-founder of DrDoctor
Discussion topics include:
- How technology enabled patient initiated follow up pathways are helping patients, clinicians and the healthcare system
- How data from appointment bookings is enabling a personalised approach to patient appointment booking and outpatient care
- How PIFU technology can help to even out the variability in care experienced in the NHS

Jul 31, 2023 • 28min
AI experiments in health and social care - A review of the NHS AI lab Skunkworks programme with Giuseppe Sollazzo- ex-AI lab CTO
In this episode Giuseppe Sollazzo shares his insights from the NHS AI lab skunkworks programme - an initiative to find new ways to use AI for driving forward the early adoption of technology in the NHS.
Discussion topics include:
- The value of an open-source approach to AI development in the public sector
- The importance of being transparent about both successes and failures
- The role of MDT AI teams in the NHS and upskilling the workforce in relation to AI
More information about the skunkworks projects here: https://transform.england.nhs.uk/ai-lab/ai-lab-programmes/skunkworks/

Jul 17, 2023 • 24min
How femtech is filling the gender data gap. With Dr Saddif Ahmed- Director at Flo Health
This episode features a conversation with Dr Saddif Ahmed- Director of Clinical Safety and Accuracy at Flo Health, uncovering how femtech products are providing novel insights into women's health.
Discussion topics include:
- How period tracking apps are leading to earlier diagnosis of women's health disorders
- How femtech data is challenging conventional medical wisdom and offering novel insights into how sleep, mood and exercise vary of their menstrual cycle
- The potential for future research in the field using data collected at scale from apps and wearables

Jul 3, 2023 • 50min
How should we regulate medical AI in the UK? With Professor Stephen Gilbert- Medical Device Regulatory Science expert
In this episode, we delve into the realm of AI regulation and its impact on the future of medical AI innovation in UK. Joining me is the esteemed Professor Stephen Gilbert, a medical device regulatory science academic.
During our discussion, we explore:
The necessity for innovative regulatory approaches in the AI domain
The diverging paths of EU and US regulatory strategies
Challenges posed by the EU MDR approach and its horizontal regulatory system
Pioneering approaches to regulation, emphasising system rather than product-level oversight
Relevant publicatons:
https://www.jmir.org/2023/1/e43682
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02412-6https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2949761223000421

Jun 19, 2023 • 34min
Healthtech careers for clinicians with Dr Azeem Alam- Co-founder of BiteMedicine
This episode features a conversation with Dr Azeem Alam, member of the RSM Digital Health Council and co-founder of Bitemedicine, the creators of Bitelabs, a healthtech and innovation fellowship for clinicians
Discussion points include:
- The bitelabs fellowship
- Ways clinicians can gain experience in digital health
- How you can combine tech experience with clinical training
- Roles for clinicians within healthtech companies
Resources/opportunities discussed during the podcast:
Bitelabs: @BiteLabsHealth https://bitelabs.io
Fellowships/programmes:
- Topol Digital fellowships: Topol Digital FellowshipsHealth Education Englandhttps://topol.hee.nhs.uk › digital-fellowshipsFellowships in Clinical Artificial Intelligence : https://www.aicentre.co.uk/fellowships
- National medical director's clinical fellow scheme (digital roles available): https://www.fmlm.ac.uk/programme-services/individual-support/national-medical-directors-clinical-fellow-scheme
- Royal College of Physicians Flexible portfolio training (clinical informatics stream): https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/flexible-portfolio-training
- Clinical entrepreneur programme: https://www.england.nhs.uk/aac/what-we-do/how-can-the-aac-help-me/clinical-entrepreneur-programme
- Digital health leadership programme https://digital-transformation.hee.nhs.uk/digital-academy/programmes/digital-health-leadership-programme
- Harvard health tech fellowship https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/healthtechfellowship/fellowship-overview
- Stanford biodesign innovation fellowship:https://biodesign.stanford.edu/programs/fellowships/innovation-fellowships.html
- Faculty fellowship: https://faculty.ai/fellowship-fellows/
- Entrepreneur First: https://www.joinef.com/
Events:
- Royal Society of Medicine Digital health council events
- HETT
- Digital health Rewired
- SomX events
- Intelligent Health
- Med-tech World
Blog article about different roles for clinician in digital health:
https://medium.com/@annabellepainter/what-is-a-digital-doctor-db14522ec398
Range- Generalism book:
https://davidepstein.com/the-range/

Jun 5, 2023 • 40min
The Accurx approach to solving healthcare communication with Dr Satya Raghuvanshi- VP at accurx
This episode features a conversation with Dr Satya Raghuvanshi- VP at Accurx exploring the development of healthtech communication tools in the NHS.
Discussion points include
- How Accurx is solving entrenched communication problems in primary & secondary care
- Accurx’s approach to product development and market entry that have contributed to its success
- How Accurx is now tackling elective recovery

May 23, 2023 • 40min
Evidence generation for digital therapeutics with Professor Colin Espie- Co-founder of Big Health
This episode features a conversation with Professor Colin Espie Professor of Sleep Medicine at the University of Oxford and co-founder and Chief Scientist at Big Health. It focusses on the topic evidence generation for digital therapeutics
Discussion topics include:
- Why evidence generation is so important for digital therapeutics
- The distinction between evidence-informed and evidence-based therapies
- The challenge of designing placebo controlled trials for digital therapies
Links to papers:
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/forefront.20220223.739329/
https://www.jmir.org/2023/1/e43682

May 9, 2023 • 45min
LLMs as medical devices with Dr Hugh Harvey- Managing Director at Hardian Health
This episode features a conversation with Dr Hugh Harvey- Managing Director at Hardian Health exploring the regulatory, ethical and logistical challenges involved in developing Large Language Models (LLMs) as medical devices.
Discussion topics include:
- A step-by-step guide to the regulatory approval process for LLM medical devices
- Should users be allowed to ask general purpose LLMs (like chatGPT) medical questions?
- What needs to change in current regulation in order for it to keep pace with recent AI developments
Blog posts mentioned in podcast:
Hardian Health blog by Hugh Harvey: https://www.hardianhealth.com/blog/how-to-get-regulatory-approval-for-medical-large-language-models
MHRA LLM blog post: https://medregs.blog.gov.uk/2023/03/03/large-language-models-and-software-as-a-medical-device/
RSM Ethics and Regulation for AI in health event: https://www.rsm.ac.uk/events/digital-health/2022-23/ter04/
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