Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free – Babbel: https://babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off – Policygenius: https://policygenius.com/lex – Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/israel-palestine-debate-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Mouin’s X: https://x.com/MouinRabbani Mouin’s Podcast: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLkT5TSHWFSYKY_6vrNn_vZAmfunA_s9g – Benny’s Books: https://amzn.to/3Vf7NNU – Norman’s X: https://x.com/normfinkelstein Norman’s Website: https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/ Norman’s Books: https://amzn.to/3IqouxU Knowing Too Much (excerpt): https://jumpshare.com/v/8EUbbP40Do44ITDfJUoR – Destiny’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/destiny Destiny’s X: https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal Destiny’s Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/ Destiny’s Website: https://destiny.gg – Norman and Mouin provided additional links to supplement the discussion. See them here: https://sites.google.com/view/israel-palestine-debate/home PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (12:11) – 1948 (1:10:43) – Partition (2:15:16) – October 7 (3:09:27) – Gaza (3:36:02) – Peace (4:40:47) – Hope for the future

Kimbal Musk is a chef, entrepreneur, and author of The Kitchen Cookbook: Cooking for Your Community. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings – ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free – NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour – BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/kimbal-musk-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Kimbal’s X: https://x.com/kimbal Kimbal’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/kimbalmusk/ Kimbal’s Facebook: https://facebook.com/kimbalmuskofficial/ The Kitchen Cookbook: https://amzn.to/4ccaCoE The Kitchen (restaurants): https://www.thekitchen.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (06:50) – Growing up in South Africa (19:21) – Cooking (42:06) – Ingredients (49:11) – Anthony Bourdain (51:26) – Cooking school (1:07:46) – Life-threatening accident (1:21:50) – Road trip across US (1:33:33) – Zip2 (1:38:16) – Tesla (1:45:41) – SpaceX (1:49:24) – Hope for the future

Yann LeCun is the Chief AI Scientist at Meta, professor at NYU, Turing Award winner, and one of the most influential researchers in the history of AI. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – HiddenLayer: https://hiddenlayer.com/lex – LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack – Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial – AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/yann-lecun-3-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Yann’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/ylecun Yann’s Facebook: https://facebook.com/yann.lecun Meta AI: https://ai.meta.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (09:10) – Limits of LLMs (20:47) – Bilingualism and thinking (24:39) – Video prediction (31:59) – JEPA (Joint-Embedding Predictive Architecture) (35:08) – JEPA vs LLMs (44:24) – DINO and I-JEPA (45:44) – V-JEPA (51:15) – Hierarchical planning (57:33) – Autoregressive LLMs (1:12:59) – AI hallucination (1:18:23) – Reasoning in AI (1:35:55) – Reinforcement learning (1:41:02) – Woke AI (1:50:41) – Open source (1:54:19) – AI and ideology (1:56:50) – Marc Andreesen (2:04:49) – Llama 3 (2:11:13) – AGI (2:15:41) – AI doomers (2:31:31) – Joscha Bach (2:35:44) – Humanoid robots (2:44:52) – Hope for the future

Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings – Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial – NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour – AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/serhii-plokhy-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Serhii’s X: https://x.com/splokhy Serhii’s Website: https://history.fas.harvard.edu/people/serhii-plokhii Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute: https://huri.harvard.edu/ Serhii’s Books: https://amzn.to/3OS2EqK 2006 – The Origins of the Slavic Nations 2010 – Yalta: The Price of Peace 2012 – The Cossack Myth: History and Nationhood in the Age of Empires 2014 – The Last Empire: The Final Days of the Soviet Union 2015 – The Gates of Europe: A History of Ukraine 2016 – The Man with the Poison Gun: A Cold War Spy Story 2017 – Lost Kingdom: The Quest for Empire and the Making of the Russian Nation 2018 – Chernobyl: History of a Tragedy 2021 – Nuclear Folly: A History of the Cuban Missile Crisis 2021 – The Frontline: Essays on Ukraine’s Past and Present 2022 – Atoms and Ashes: A Global History of Nuclear Disaster 2023 – The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (09:10) – Collapse of the Soviet Union (25:19) – Origins of Russia and Ukraine (38:22) – Ukrainian nationalism (46:04) – Stepan Bandera (1:15:05) – KGB (1:30:03) – War in Ukraine (2:06:19) – NATO and Russia (2:17:22) – Peace talks (2:31:09) – Ukrainian Army head Valerii Zaluzhnyi (2:37:46) – Power and War (2:48:37) – Holodomor (2:55:09) – Chernobyl (3:05:43) – Nuclear power (3:15:20) – Future of the world

Tucker Carlson is a highly-influential political commentator. You can watch and listen to him on the Tucker Carlson Network and the Tucker Carlson Podcast. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – ZipRecruiter: https://ziprecruiter.com/lex – Listening: https://listening.com/lex and use code LEX to get one month free – HiddenLayer: https://hiddenlayer.com/lex – LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack – AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/tucker-carlson-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Tucker Carlson Network: https://tuckercarlson.com/ Tucker Carlson Podcast: https://tuckercarlson.com/listen/ Tucker’s X: https://twitter.com/tuckercarlson Tucker’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/@TuckerCarlson Tucker’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/tuckercarlson Tucker’s Facebook: https://facebook.com/tuckercarlsonTCN/ Vladimir Putin Interview: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fOCWBhuDdDo PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (11:58) – Putin (28:13) – Navalny (49:25) – Moscow (1:08:54) – Freedom of speech (1:15:08) – Jon Stewart (1:27:54) – Ending the War in Ukraine (1:37:21) – Nazis (1:45:48) – Putin’s health (1:56:52) – Hitler (2:06:17) – Nuclear war (2:24:36) – Trump (2:41:33) – Israel-Palestine (2:47:42) – Xi Jinping (3:01:40) – Advice for young people (3:06:58) – Hope for the future

Bill Ackman is an investor who has led some of the biggest and controversial financial trades in history. He is founder and CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack – Policygenius: https://policygenius.com/lex – AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil – Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings – BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/bill-ackman-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Bill’s X: https://twitter.com/BillAckman Pershing Square Holdings: https://pershingsquareholdings.com/ Pershing Square Foundation: https://pershingsquarefoundation.org Neri Oxman conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbPHojL_61U Books mentioned: The Intelligent Investor: https://amzn.to/3ONnaZy America’s Cultural Revolution: https://amzn.to/3SDz1dY PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (08:55) – Investing basics (13:47) – Investing in music (22:08) – Process of researching companies (26:47) – Investing in restaurants (32:16) – Investing in Google (37:58) – AI (43:13) – Warren Buffet (45:22) – Psychology of investing (54:53) – Activist investing (1:04:41) – General Growth Properties (1:20:57) – Canadian Pacific Railway (1:28:21) – OpenAI (1:32:32) – Biggest loss and lowest point (1:47:21) – Herbalife and Carl Icahn (2:04:11) – Oct 7 (2:10:42) – College campus protests (2:29:09) – DEI in universities (2:50:00) – Neri Oxman (3:15:30) – X and free speech (3:19:54) – Trump (3:27:30) – Dean Phillips (3:34:36) – Future

Marc Raibert is founder and former long-time CEO of Boston Dynamics, and recently Executive Director of the newly-created Boston Dynamics AI Institute. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – HiddenLayer: https://hiddenlayer.com/lex – Babbel: https://babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off – MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/lexpod to get 15% off – NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour – ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/marc-raibert-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Boston Dynamics AI Institute: https://theaiinstitute.com/ Boston Dynamics YouTube: https://youtube.com/@bostondynamics Boston Dynamics X: https://x.com/BostonDynamics Boston Dynamics Instagram: https://instagram.com/bostondynamicsofficial Boston Dynamics Website: https://bostondynamics.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (10:12) – Early robots (15:15) – Legged robots (33:55) – Boston Dynamics (37:13) – BigDog (45:20) – Hydraulic actuation (47:12) – Natural movement (52:59) – Leg Lab (59:51) – AI Institute (1:03:09) – Athletic intelligence (1:11:04) – Building a team (1:14:05) – Videos (1:21:53) – Engineering (1:25:21) – Dancing robots (1:30:08) – Hiring (1:34:00) – Optimus robot (1:42:30) – Future of robotics (1:47:24) – Advice for young people

Omar Suleiman is a Palestinian-American Muslim scholar, civil rights leader, and President of the Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial – NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour – BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off – Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings – AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/omar-suleiman-2-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Omar’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/imamomarsuleiman Omar’s X: https://x.com/omarsuleiman504 Omar’s Facebook: https://facebook.com/imamomarsuleiman Yaqeen Institute’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/@yaqeeninstituteofficial Yaqeen Institute’s Website: https://yaqeeninstitute.org PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (10:18) – Oct 7 (19:14) – Palestinian diaspora (23:29) – Wael Al-Dahdouh (38:21) – Violence (1:01:59) – Biden and Trump (1:15:11) – Ceasefire march (1:25:24) – Benjamin Netanyahu (1:32:26) – Houthi rebel attacks (1:34:03) – Hostages (1:40:23) – MLK Jr and Malcolm X (1:53:04) – Palestinian refugees (2:02:14) – Muhammad and Jesus (2:13:07) – Al-Aqsa Mosque (2:22:04) – Ramadan (2:26:57) – Hope for the future

Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on YouTube. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil – Policygenius: https://policygenius.com/lex – ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free – InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/ben-shapiro-destiny-debate-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Ben’s X: https://twitter.com/benshapiro Ben’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/officialbenshapiro Ben’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/@BenShapiro Daily Wire: https://dailywire.com Destiny’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/destiny Destiny’s X: https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal Destiny’s Subreddit: https://reddit.com/r/Destiny Destiny’s Website: https://destiny.gg Destiny’s Instragram: https://instagram.com/destiny PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (07:21) – Liberalism vs Conservatism (12:34) – Education (28:51) – Trump vs Biden (49:16) – Foreign policy (1:02:13) – Israel-Palestine (1:17:10) – Russia-Ukraine (1:28:50) – January 6 (1:44:48) – Abuse of power (1:54:46) – Wokeism (2:01:27) – Institutional capture (2:15:21) – Monogamy vs open relationships (2:20:14) – Rapid fire questions

Matthew Cox is a former con man who served 13 years in federal prison for bank fraud, mortgage fraud, and identity theft. He is the author of many books, including his memoir Shark in the Housing Pool, and runs the YouTube channel Inside True Crime. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – Freud’s Last Session: see it in select theaters – Babbel: https://babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off – BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off – NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour – LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/matthew-cox-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Matthew’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/@InsideTrueCrime Matthew’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/insidetruecrime Matthew’s Art Instagram: https://instagram.com/coxpopart Matthew’s TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrime Shark in the Housing Pool (book): https://amzn.to/3S52EEy PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (08:43) – Mortgage fraud (23:32) – Creating fake people (57:17) – Arrested by FBI (1:14:08) – Omerta: Code of silence (1:36:26) – Fake ID’s (2:05:48) – Getting caught (2:19:12) – Going on the run from FBI (2:30:54) – Identity theft (2:51:34) – More scams (3:03:23) – FBI Most Wanted (3:05:51) – Close calls (3:36:46) – Break up with Becky (3:41:26) – Calling parents (3:43:25) – Calling FBI (3:49:06) – Running from cops (4:10:56) – Getting arrested (4:26:21) – Snitching (4:42:35) – Prison (5:00:08) – War dogs (5:06:50) – Frank Amodeo (5:42:21) – Freedom (5:53:15) – Family (5:59:19) – Regret