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Oct 28, 2021 • 1h 35min
Slaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghy
Slaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghyTrent has been very influential to our thinking. There are few people who can talk with such fluency on matters we care about, even better build compelling alternatives. In this we discuss how he and his wife Masha built the first crypto art registry, Ascribe, long before the concept of an NFT existed. We also discuss how his latest project Ocean Protocol proposes to hand us control of our data at the dawn of the next internet. Follow Trent: https://twitter.com/trentmc0Trent's Blog: http://trent.st/blog/Ascribe: https://www.ascribe.io/Ocean Protocol: https://oceanprotocol.com/Swash: https://swashapp.io/

Oct 27, 2021 • 1h 18min
The Cold War For Information Technology with former Director of Iskra Delta Janez Skrubej
In conjunction with this years Ljubljana Biennial of Graphic Arts titled "Iskra Delta "curated by Tjaša Pogačar we interviewed Janez Skrubej, the author of "The Cold War For Information Technology: the Inside Story". Inside indeed, as Janez was the former CEO of Iskra Delta, a major contender on the world stage for not only personal computers, but also large scale networked IT systems. Based within Tito’s Yugoslavia it was caught in the crosshairs in the cold war, working between the US, Soviet Union, China, and India, with each corresponding intelligence agency pushing their own agenda. Janez was the managing director during this time, and was personally paid visits by the presidents of the Soviet Union, China and India, as well as the CIA and KGB. Ultimately the conflicting interests overpowered the small IT company and it closed, leaving Europe without a major contender in the global IT race. It’s a treat to speak to Janez about this extraordinary situation, and to imagine an alternative history where Iskra Delta might have had a fighting chance.Read The Cold War for Information Technology: The Inside Story: https://www.amazon.com/Cold-War-Information-Technology-Inside-ebook/dp/B00C1NWL2EFollow Janez Skrubej updates: http://sbpra.com/janezskrubej/We cannot wait to see this film! http://senca-studio.si/en/portfolio/sparks-in-time/Check out the Ljubljana Biennale of Graphic arts, with contributions by Other Internet, John Akomfrah, Simon Denny, Josh Citarella, us and more!: https://34.bienale.si/en/

Oct 12, 2021 • 1h 1min
Bringing the music industry on-chain with Bruno Guez (Revelator)
Hi everyone!! We often have discussions on here about web 3 representing a real opportunity for the independent music industry, and Bruno Guez is an expert on how that might end up transpiring, from his time working as a label head, directing the Merlin Network and more recently in building Revelator. Check out Revelator: https://revelator.com/Follow Bruno on Twitter: https://twitter.com/brunoguez?lang=en

Oct 5, 2021 • 1h 31min
Protocol Art Pioneer Rhea Myers (few)
Rhea Myers conceptualised a new art world by curiously tinkering with new tools and seeing what art she could make with them. We catch up with her to reflect on the earliest days of crypto art, her experiments with the medium and their art historical roots in 60's conceptualism, the current state of the field, Loot frenzy and the recent arrival of the dragonslayers, and some areas she feels are yet unexplored.This was crazy fun.Follow Rhea on twitter: https://twitter.com/rheaplexRead and check out Rhea's Work: https://rhea.artConceptual Art, Cryptocurrency and Beyond: https://www.furtherfield.org/conceptual-art-cryptocurrency-and-beyond/Ethereum Art Market: https://rhea.art/ethereum-art-marketCertificate of Inauthenticity: https://rhea.art/certificate-of-inauthenticityTokens Equal Text: https://rhea.art/tokens-equal-textRhea's writing on Furtherfield: https://www.furtherfield.org/author/rhea-myers/Furtherfields (excellent) book Artists Rethinking the Blockchain: https://torquetorque.net/wp-content/uploads/ArtistsReThinkingTheBlockchain.pdfRhea's Gallery Kate Voss: https://www.katevassgalerie.com/Flow Blockchain: https://www.onflow.org/Fingerprints DAO: https://www.fingerprintsdao.xyz/

Sep 22, 2021 • 1h 13min
$5 grad schools, musical bodybuilding, Puerto Rico and crypto concerns with La Meme Young
Thrilled to welcome artist, educator and meme master Max Alper (La Meme Young) to join us to discuss running an online art school, sound and meme pedagogy, musical body building and deliver an on the ground report of crypto excessiveness arriving in his new home of Puerto Rico.Learn music with La Meme Young: https://www.patreon.com/la_meme_youngFollow his incredible Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/la_meme_young/?hl=enBrian Ferneyhough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RTPYaWXj8Jason Eckardt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrY1V2Q3iwINitro - Freight train - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGf5NxLQoEo

Sep 7, 2021 • 1h 6min
Emotional Capitalism, The Extreme Self and New Art Institutions with Shumon Basar
Our first ever in person discussion this week with writer and curator Shumon Basar to discuss his new book with Douglas Coupland and Hans Ulrich Obrist, The Extreme Self, published in accompaniment with the exhibition "Age of You" most recently hosted at Jameel Art Centre, Dubai.We discuss a number of neologisms that appear in the book, not least Shumon's concept of "Emotional Capitalism", the growing and alarming gulf between reality and the stories we have to comprehend it, and how art institutions might hope to keep up!Read The Extreme Self:Europe: https://doyoureadme.de/shop/culture-society/the-extreme-self?v=3a52f3c22ed6US: https://www.artbook.com/9783960989738.htmlDazed Interview: https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/53342/1/extreme-self-age-douglas-coupland-shumon-basar-hans-ulrich-obrist-interviewWatch Shumon's Visual Essay "Season Ending (The Day Of Forever): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzAc8yRWGCo

Aug 24, 2021 • 1h 6min
Synthetic Media, iNFTs, collective characters and prompt engineering with Alethea AI
Hey everyone,thanks again for your support! We have a great cast of people joining us over the next few weeks. In line with our recent emphasis on collective character development, we invited Arif Khan and Juliet Gardner of Alethea AI to discuss the incoming age of synthetic media, collectively and autonomously created characters, their concept of interactive NFTs and much moreCheck out Alethea AI: https://alethea.ai/Follow Arif: https://twitter.com/ArKhanFollow Juliet: https://twitter.com/cybersomeone

Aug 17, 2021 • 1h 2min
Latent Visions, Promptism and the future of AI art with Adverb
If you have spent any time online recently, you have no doubt seen an explosion of remarkable images generated from text with Latent Visions, VQGAN and CLIP. We spoke to Adverb, the creator of Latent Visions, about his project, Promptism, and where we see these applications developing in the next few years (or at this pace, months). Unmissable discussion with someone who has contributed so much to the field this year!Follow Adverb: https://twitter.com/advadnoun

Aug 3, 2021 • 1h 11min
Mercury Retrograde, financial & social capital and the new internet with Emily Segal
Thrilled this week to invite artist and author Emily Segal, whose debut auto-fictional novel “Mercury Retrograde” tells the story of a young artists attempt to reconcile the abstract landscape of overfunded startups and the art world, set in New York between Occupy and the Trump Presidency. We discuss what can be learned from the post-internet era as we stand at the precipice of a new internet, the tensions created by the meeting between financial and social capital, what the hell an artist is anyway now?? and Emily’s recent deep dive on funding new literature projects with web 3.Read Mercury Retrograde: https://delugebooks.com/products/mercury-retrogradeDeluge Books: https://delugebooks.com/$NOVEL on Mirror: https://emily.mirror.xyz/0AFENlMKv9amUC1OJIZY26udpISw_raXkoEcvelPvzgNemesis Global: https://nemesis.global/

Jul 27, 2021 • 1h 40min
Daemon, DAO's and Cislunar Exploration with Daniel Suarez
Hi everyone, this week we are thrilled to invite author and developer Daniel Suarez, whose self published science fiction book Daemon became a cult success for its hard science fiction depiction of a narrow AI preprogrammed to re-order the world after the death of it's game developer author. We discuss Daemon and it's follow up Freedom™, how those books inspired aspects of the formation of Ethereum, the importance of reframing narratives through art, and Daniel's more recent work, Delta-V, researching the economics of space exploration. This is a really fun one!Daniel Suarez: https://daniel-suarez.com/On twitter: https://twitter.com/itsdanielsuarezDaemon: https://www.amazon.com/DAEMON-Daemon-Daniel-Suarez/dp/0451228731Freedom™: https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-TM-Daemon-Daniel-Suarez/dp/0451231899Delta-v: https://daniel-suarez.com/Delta-v_synopsis.html
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