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Apr 13, 2022 • 1h 46min

Making Web3 human legible, constructive speculation and the shock of the nude with Context

Hey y'all, after many references to this project in previous episodes we are really happy to welcome Adam and Luke from Context!We discuss their efforts to make Web3 activity legible to humans, debate criticisms of the speculative nature of the Web3 art space, discuss the antecedent of drop culture, the shockwaves caused by making previously hidden financial activity transparent, and the potential for permissionless identities.Check out Context: Context.appFollow Luke: https://twitter.com/worm_emojiFollow Adam: https://twitter.com/adamludwin 
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Apr 6, 2022 • 1h 33min

Transitioning to Web 3 by building a research DAO with Cherie Hu (Water & Music)

Hey everyone! This week we host the inimitable Cherie Hu to discuss the evolution of Water & Music into the first contributor led research DAO for the music industry, the changing definitions and focus of music & technology, Tik Tok and the politics (and occasional burden) of relatability. It was fun and revealing to work through the particularities and practicalities of making the jump into uncertain territory with Web 3 from a position in the more traditional music industry!Everyone should check out what Cherie is building with Water & Music: https://www.waterandmusic.com/Read the comprehensive $STREAM report: https://stream.waterandmusic.com/Follow Cherie: https://twitter.com/cheriehu42 
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Mar 10, 2022 • 1h 54min

Hyperstructures & the future of ZORA with Jacob.eth

Jacob from ZORA runs us through his latest essay, Hyperstructures, and the future of ZORA protocol. We pull apart how permissionless protocols and cc0 projects are gathering significant momentum and what this might mean for the future of the internet and art making! We also dive down the rabbit hole of some pretty psychedelic NFT use cases. Super fun and enriching as ever. Hope you are all having a great week!Hyperstructures: https://jacob.energy/hyperstructures.htmlWhat is CryptoMedia: https://cryptomedia.wtf/Nouns DAO: https://nouns.wtf/The Congress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) 
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Feb 18, 2022 • 2h 4min

Permanently archiving music and its context with Nina

A wonderful conversation with Jack Callahan, Eric Farber and Mike Pollard of Nina, who are building a protocol for permanent collections of music on the fast and affordable Solana Blockchain. Made all the more special that we come from similar experimental music scenes, we discuss the critical importance of establishing and archiving context for marginal musics, Myspace data loss and the revival of 00's era aesthetics, reanimating Scatman John, our our mutual appreciation of experimental composer Jeff Witscher, how protocol art is a more enduring framing than "NFT" art (equivalent to the LP as a medium), and our excitement and frustrations at both the rollout of Web 3 and its detractors. Nina Market: https://nina.market/Jeff Witscher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_WitscherFlea label: https://newmusicindustrialcomplex.com/Julius Eastman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_EastmanMyspace data loss: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016   
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Feb 10, 2022 • 1h 1min

Stories told about technology, context as medium and reanimating dot-com companies with Simon Denny

We invited artist Simon Denny over to our studio for the final podcast of the year to go deep on his practice, a commitment to exploring context as a medium, making crypto art and exhibitions before everyone cared, and Dotcom Seance, his wild new art project on Folia.A perfect guest to close out the year! We will be taking a break for the first week of January to focus on something big to be announced soon, and will also be doing an AMA in the early  new year - send over questions!Happy new year everyone and thank you <3Simon Denny: https://simondenny.net/DOTCOM SEANCE: https://www.dotcomseance.com/Proof of Stake Exhibition at Hamburg KunstvereinContextual data dump:Making art about stories told about technologyHistory of art funding and institutional critiqueContext as an expanded medium of expressionUnprecedented Participatory auction dynamicsIndustrialist patrons aren't newProof of Stake Exhibition at Hamburg KunstvereinCollector DAOs - Fingerprints/FlamingoProtocol art/Situating crypto art on a longer historical timeline as a sign of maturity for the spaceOff chain work in the crypto canonWhat canon is, how it is created, and is it changing?Does an art world want to be decentralized?Can we have a flamingoDAO book please?When traditional habits start to reappear as rationalGalleries and intermediaries still kindof make sense when they know what they are doingEvolution of art fairsFolia!Dotcom Seance: bringing dot com companies back from the deadpets.comCashWars and FunBugs experimenting with their Seance ENSThe amount of time it takes to run tokenised art projectsThe relevance of Web 1 to the present dayCD-ROMSHow to reconcile slower art making practices with the speed of information exchangeInterdependenceLate night debate about conceptual art and beautyIs anything ugly?Beauty is in the eye of the token holder!BeepleWe (Interdependence) are doing an AMA soon - questions in comments ;) 
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Jan 11, 2022 • 1h 46min

Ethereum Energy Numbers are in! Moral calculations and web 3 critiques with Kyle McDonald

Big one this week, artist and researcher Kyle McDonald did the gruelling work to calculate the energy and carbon cost of Ethereum, and we try to break down those numbers, calculate their relative impact, discuss critiques of web 3 and debate why they are mostly coming from where they are coming from.Ethereum Emissions: https://kylemcdonald.github.io/ethereum-emissions/Kyle's art: https://kylemcdonald.net/Follow Kyle: https://twitter.com/kcimcWho Pays Artists?: http://www.whopaysartists.com/People staring at computers: https://www.wired.com/2012/07/people-staring-at-computers/ 
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Dec 29, 2021 • 1h 1min

Choose your Illusion; financial precarity, meme stocks and disinfo with Ali Breland (Mother Jones)

We had a long and wonderful chat with Ali after reading his "Who Goes Crypto?" piece on the increasing number of working people opting into investing money into the casino of crypto and meme stocks rather than adhere to crumbling narratives over how the economy works, and for whom. We also dive into an area of his expertise, online disinformation and it's political ramifications. Holly dips out half way through the discussion, she wasn't feeling great and we did not realise at the time she had contracted COVID. Fortunately all is well now, but that will explain the occasional coughing and spluttering.Thanks everyone, have a great week <3 Follow Ali: https://twitter.com/alibrelandRead Mother Jones: https://www.motherjones.com/Who Goes Crypto? by Ali Breland https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/11/who-goes-crypto-eth-bitcoin-etc-financialization-gamestop-class-wealth/Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? by Ali Breland https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/why-are-right-wing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/Bad News by Joseph Bernstein https://harpers.org/archive/2021/09/bad-news-selling-the-story-of-disinformation/  
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Dec 17, 2021 • 1h 41min

Unlocking a sustainable open source culture, public goods and other interdependencies with Scott Moore (Gitcoin)

We've been wanting to have this conversation for some time! Scott Moore joins us to discuss Gitcoin's efforts to sustain open source developers, the emerging culture shock between late 20th century free software ideologies and new proposals to get developers paid (which parallels a lot of the culture shock happening in the art and music world rn), discuss the role crypto may play in funding and sustaining public goods, and deviate into why setting good precedent may be important in anticipation of rapid onset AI. We sound a little croaky for this episode and the next one because we had a bit of COVID in the house. All is good now thankfully. Stay safe out there everyone, and thanks <3Gitcoin: https://gitcoin.co/Follow Scott: https://twitter.com/notscottmooreGitcoin grants: https://gitcoin.co/grants/Quadratic Funding primer: https://wtfisqf.com/?grant=&grant=&grant=&grant=&match=1000Review of Optimism Funding: https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/11/16/retro1.htmlOriginal 'Dependency' cartoon by xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2347/ 
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Dec 9, 2021 • 1h 16min

Cooking, self sufficiency and design spaces with Deafbeef

We had a wonderful friday night hang with artist Deafbeef, who has had a crazy year transitioning from full time blacksmithing to becoming a respected artist known for his on-chain audio visual experiments. After an intense year we try to go as far off script as is possible and just talk about art, satire, music making and cooking videos.Check out Deafbeef's work: https://www.deafbeef.com/Follow Deafbeef on Twitter:  https://twitter.com/_deafbeefStuff we discussedBrad Troemel's Athletic Aesthetics: https://thenewinquiry.com/athletic-aesthetics/Media Archaelogist Erkki Huhtamo: http://www.erkkihuhtamo.com/Folie à deux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deuxEtoy Corp https://etoy.com/Frank Zappa at the PMRC hearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAF8Vu8G0w 
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Nov 30, 2021 • 1h 30min

Reputation economies and seeding DAOs with Jess Sloss of Seed Club

Wonderful to welcome Jess from Seed club, who help web communities make the transition to member owned DAOs! Apply for Seed Club: https://seedclub.xyz/Follow Jess: https://twitter.com/thattallguy

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