

Perfume Room
Emma Vernon
Hosted by perfumehead & comedian Emma Vernon, Perfume Room is your #1 safe space to obsess over all things scent.
Enjoy intimate, never-before-told stories from the fragrance legends you’re most curious about—master perfumers, industry legends, secret celeb fragheads, indie perfumers you should know, and lots of friends with good taste & hot takes along the way.
CRITICS CALL IT 'hilarious,' 'engaging,' 'educational,' 'just earnest enough,' & 'really bad for my wallet.’
Wherever you are on your perfume journey, you are welcome in the Perfume Room.
FOLLOW ALONG ON IG: @perfumeroompod
Enjoy intimate, never-before-told stories from the fragrance legends you’re most curious about—master perfumers, industry legends, secret celeb fragheads, indie perfumers you should know, and lots of friends with good taste & hot takes along the way.
CRITICS CALL IT 'hilarious,' 'engaging,' 'educational,' 'just earnest enough,' & 'really bad for my wallet.’
Wherever you are on your perfume journey, you are welcome in the Perfume Room.
FOLLOW ALONG ON IG: @perfumeroompod
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Jul 26, 2022 • 58min
59. Reconstructing Cleopatra’s Signature Scent: The Perfumes of Ancient Egypt (w/ Egyptologist Dora Goldsmith)
Egyptologist Dora Goldsmith is in the Perfume Room today! Dora is a PhD researcher at the Freie Universität Berlin who employs linguistics-based evidence to study and reconstruct the smells of ancient Egypt. You read that right; Dora doesn’t just study Egyptian scents, she brings them back to life(!) through perfect recreations of these ancient formulas. What did Cleopatra’s perfume smell like? Mummification? Deodorant? Hair Perfume? (Yes, hair perfume was a thing long before any of us started wearing it.) Dora knows and after today’s episode, so will you!
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Teo Cabanel Peau Salee Kierin Pier NY, Mugler Womanity, Vacation Inc, Jo Malone Salty Amber, Arquiste Sydney Rock Pool, Jo Malone Wood Sage & Sea Salt, Mugler Womanity
FOLLOW DORA: @prof_dora
EMAIL DORA TO ORDER HER SCENT KITS: doragold@zedat.fu-berlin.de

Jul 19, 2022 • 50min
58. The Urge to Herbal (w/ Queer Icon & Pop Star Hayley Kiyoko)
Hayley Kiyoko, AKA “Lesbian Jesus,” as her fans adoringly call her, is in the Perfume Room today! This multi-hyphenate pop-star, advocate, dancer, actress, producer, director, and ultimately queer *icon*, has added one more notch to her belt: perfume (which we obviously chat all about)! We discuss everything from the smells of her first crushes, to her newly-public relationship, to her horoscope sign and whether Hue (said newly launched fragrance) is indeed an Aries scent, and of course, we discuss her highly-anticipated second album, Panorama, which drops next Friday (!) MARK YOUR CALS & PREGAME THE ALBUM WITH THIS DELIGHTFUL CONVO 😘
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Escentric Molecules: Escentric 02, Escentric 01, Molecule 01 + Iris, Escentric 04; DS & Durga Rose Atlantic, Snif Suganami, Chrisitan Dior Bois D'Argent, Goutal Etoile d'une Nuit, Hue Hayley Kiyoko, Kelloggs Corn Flakes®, Elizabeth Arden Green Tea, D&G L’Imperatrice, VS Love Spell, Herbal Essences, Glow by JLo, P.F. Candle Co. No. 35 Ojai Lavender, P.F. Candle Co. No 21 Golden Coast, Le Labo Another 13, Glossier You, Tom Ford Lost Cherry
FOLLOW HAYLEY: @huefragrance @hayleykiyoko
SHOP HUE: huebyhayley.com
SEE HAYLEY ON TOUR: https://www.hayleykiyokoofficial.com/tour
FOLLOW PERFUME ROOM: @perfumeroompod (IG) @emma_vern (TT)

Jul 5, 2022 • 45min
57. The Perfume with a 200,000-person-long Waitlist (w/ PHLUR Re-Founder Chriselle Lim!)
CHRISELLE LIM(!), Phlur Re-Founder, Bümo Co-Founder, mother, mega-influencer, Creative Director, and Rich Mom to 2.8M doting fans is in the Perfume Room today!! We discuss Missing Person—the Internet’s most wanted perfume (and its 200,000-person-long waitlist), the secret to great PR, the re-brand/launch/birth of both Chriselle and Phlur, and of course, Chriselle’s *Single* Rich Mom era—including her sexiest photoshoot yet 😏
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Tocca Stella, Britney Spears Curious, Marissa Zappas Annabel’s Birthday Cake, Hanae Mori Butterfly EDT, Phlur: Apricot Privée, Missing Person, Not Your Baby, Phloria, Lost Cause, Ameline; Juicy Couture Viva La Juicy, Clinique Happy, CK One, Phlur: Missing Person, Not Your Baby
FOLLOW: @chrisellelim @phlur
SHOP: phlur.com
10% off LuckyScent purchases: 'pr10'

Jun 28, 2022 • 1h 7min
56. Perfume Room LIVE!!! (w/ Kismet Olfactive Founder/Perfumer Shabnam Tavakol!)
At long last, today's ep is the recording from Perfume Room LIVE (the one-year anniversary live show)!! Enjoy a snippet on trends of the past, present, and future from panelists Travaulya Wallace, Liz Renstrom (Basenote Bitch), and Dulma Altan, plus a full length interview with the Founder/Perfumer behind Kismet Olfactive, Shabnam Tavakol! Shaby and I discuss the path that led her to perfumery, what she actually learned in perfume school, the time she slept with a flower, and a phone call from Christopher Sheldrake that changed her life. PLUS enjoy a bonus cameo from MY MOM!
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Revlon Enjoli, Jean Nate, Dana Canoe, 4711, Ambre Blends, Dry Idea, Clean Reserve Muguet & Skin, Kenzo Parfum D’Ete, Parfums de Marly Meliora, JHAG Not A Perfume, Frederic Malle Carnal Flower, Kilian Good Girl Gone Bad, Avon Skin So Soft, YSL Opium, BR 540, La Perla Possibilities, Malibu Musk, Gap: Dream, Grass, Heaven; Miss Dior, Miss Dior Cherie, Viktor & Rolf Flowerbomb, SpiceBomb, Dior Sauvage, Curve for Men, SJP Stash, M by Mariah Carey, Paris Hilton Pixie Dust, Byredo, Phlur , Ariana Grande Cloud, Narciso For Her, Kismet Olfactive: Tuberose Tantra, Nymphea; Elizabeth Arden Sunflowers, A&F Fierce, Kismet Olfactive The Poet, VS Love Spell, Ralph Lauren Romance, Max Azria BCBG, Polo Blue, Strangelove, Kismet Olfactive Nostalgia, Tuberose Tantra
FOLLOW THE PANELISTS: @basenote_bitch @travaulyawallace @iamdulma
FOLLOW SHABY (Kismet Olfactive): @kismet.olfactive || kismetolfactive.com
10% off LuckyScent purchases: code 'pr10'
10% off Twisted Lily purchases: code 'perfumeroom10'

Jun 21, 2022 • 1h 3min
55. We Need a Le Labo Kitty Litter!! (w/ COMEDIAN MARGARET CHO!)
In today’s installment of all the best people are fragheads, I am joined by the ultimate fraghead: the one, the only MARGARET CHO!!! A 5-time Grammy-nominated comedian, Emmy-nominated actor, activist, entrepreneur, musician and artist, Margaret Cho not only does it all, she does it all…smelling GOOD. Margaret has an extensive collection, immaculate taste, and lays her head on her pillow each night smelling like a character in an Edith Wharton novel. We discuss what makes a scent a *bed scent,* the appropriate time to wear Secretions Magnifiques, what her perfect fragrance would smell like, and the niche fragrance that's scentscaping her...cats' litter boxes. Still not over this episode. Won't ever be.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Celine Dion Spring in Paris, Elizabeth Arden Green Tea, Estee Lauder Pleasures, Avon Haiku, Serge Lutens Filles en Aiguilles, Le Labo Petit Grain 21, Le Labo Santal 26, Figue 15, Le Labo Cedre 11, ELdO Secretions Magnifiques, Frederic Malle Portrait of A Lady, Vilhelm Poets of Berlin, Prescriptives Calyx, Byredo Belle de Tanger, Le Labo Another 13, Byredo Super Cedar, Frederic Malle Vetiver Extraordinaire, Glossier You, JHAG Not A Perfume, Le Labo Gaiac 10, Revlon Charlie, Jean Nate, Old Spice, Estee Lauder, Dana Loves Baby Soft, Cacharel Anais Anais, China Rain, Byredo Blanche, patchouli oil, Oil of Olay, The Body Shop Dewberry, Le Labo Santal 33, Comme des Garcons Wonderwood, Escentric Molecules Molecule 01, D&G Light Blue, Escentric Molecules: M01 + Iris, M01 + Patchouli, M01 + Mandarin, Molecule 02, Molecule 03, Molecule 04; Frederic Malle: Iris Poudre, French Lover (Bois D’Orage), Musc Ravageur Hair Perfume, Carnal Flower; Comme des Garcons Celluloid, Akro Ink, Chanel Jersey, Diptyque Benjoin Boheme, Le Labo Benjoin 19, MFK Petit Matin, Le Labo Limette 37, Le Labo Rose 31, Dana Loves Fresh Lemon, Dolly Fragrance, headshop strawberry oil, Hilde Soliani Fraaagola Saalaaata, Demeter Gingerale, Atelier Clementine California, Atelier Pomelo Paradis, Robert Piguet Fracas, Elizabeth Taylor White Diamonds, Revlon Enjoli, Coty Emeraud, SJP Stash, Commodity Book, BR540, Vilhelm Poets of Berlin, DS & Durga Cowboy Grass, Nemat Amber, DKNY Delicious, Parfums MDCI Peche Cardinale, Serge Lutens Filles en Aiguilles, Xinú Monstera
FOLLOW MARGARET: IG @margaret_cho, Twitter @margaretcho, TikTok: @themargaretcho
SEE MARGARET ON TOUR: https://margaretcho.com/tour/
10% OFF LUCKYSCENT ORDERS: code 'pr10'
10% OFF TWISTED LILY ORDERS: code 'perfumeroom10'

Jun 14, 2022 • 1h 5min
54. Everything You've Ever Wanted to Know About Perfumery School (w/ Apprentice Perfumer Ashley Santiago)
If you’ve ever been curious about the perfume-lover to perfumer pipeline, that's exactly what today's ep is about. I am joined by Ashley Santiago, AKA Ashley in Paris, who is—you guessed it—a perfume-lover turned [classically-trained] perfumer. Currently, she’s an Apprentice Perfumer at Givaudan. And if you’re wondering how an Apprentice Perfumer differs from a regular perfumer (or a even a Master Perfumer for that matter), guess what? Ashley takes us through all the different ranks, what they mean and how and when one achieves them. We chat all things perfume school including how to get in, if it's worth it, what you actually learn, and so much more. If you've ever been curious about anything related to classical training, this ep, with Ashley in Paris (who FTR, came before Emily), is #foryou.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Nasomatto Baraonda, Glossier you, Le Labo Santal 33, Le Labo The Noir 29, Kilian Roses on Ice, Custom MFK scent, MFK Oud Satin Mood, MFK Oud Silk Mood, JPG La Belle, B&BW, Lancome Miracle Forever, Paris Hilton by Paris Hilton, Serge Lutens Chergui, Montale Chocolate Greedy, Serge Lutens Bois de Violette, Coco Madamoiselle, Tom Ford, JPG Le Male, Mugler Angel
FOLLOW: @ashleyinparis @ashleyinperfume
10% OFF LUCKYSCENT ORDERS: code 'pr10'
MY CURRENT LUCKYSCENT FAVES: https://shoplist.us/collections/31807

Jun 7, 2022 • 1h 4min
53. Fragrance Shouldn't Be 'Genderless' (w/ Boy Smells Founder Matthew Herman)
Boy Smells Founder Matthew Herman is in the Perfume Room today! A personal fave candle and fragrance line of mine, Boy Smells is an accessible, inclusive, cheeky, post-binary personal care brand that elevates your intimate world. What began as a messy kitchen experiment has become is an award-winning, global brand with beautifully complex scents developed by master perfumers. Matthew is a delight and is chockfull of fun stories including the time he drank Negronis with Kacey Musgraves in the Robertet offices. And if you’re not in the know, Genderless ≠ Genderful™, and in today’s episode, you’ll learn exactly what each means, and why they are different.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Marissa Zappas, Boy Smells Hinoki Fantome, Byredo: Tulipe, No Man’s Land; Helmut Lang EDP, Nasomatto Baraonda, Maison D'Etto Noisette, Bastide Aix en Provence Neroli Lumiere, Sana Jardin Berber Blonde, Boy Smells: Hinoki Fantôme, Rose Load, Violet Ends; Polo Green, Caswell-Massey Greenbriar, Gap: Rain, Grass; The Body Shop Mango Body Butter, Versace Baby Blue Jean, Jill Sander Cologne, Issey Miyake, Tom Ford Tuscan Leather, Le Labo Santal 33, Boy Smells: Suede Pony, Violet Ends, Tantrum
FOLLOW/SHOP: www.boysmells.com @boy__smells
SHOP MY DISCOVERY SET: twistedlily.com/products/twisted-talent-x-emma-vernon
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May 31, 2022 • 1h 18min
52. A Fraghead Hotel!!! (w/ The Maker Co-Founders Lev Glazman and Alina Roytberg)
Beyonce and Jay-Z, Barack and Michelle, David and Victoria… LEV & ALINA. Today, I sit down with the ultimate power couple—The Maker Hotel & Fragrance Co-Founders, Lev Glazman and Alina Roytberg. Business and life partners whose titles (past and present) span from Founders to Presidents to Hoteliers to Noses to Designers to Restauranteurs, are also the same duo behind Fresh Beauty. We discuss the intimacy and role scent has played in their own relationship, the SOLE fragrance behind the Iron Curtain (and the one that secretly penetrated it), how their respective upbringings in the Soviet Union impacted their fragrance journey, and, of course, the story of The Maker Hotel — a hotel by and for fragrance enthusiasts complete with a dedicated fragrance library and an eponymous line of luxury perfumes and candles.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Floris Platinum 22, Commodity Paper +, The Maker: Stag, Libertine, Wild, Naked; Miss Balmain, Red Moscow (Men’s & Women’s), Lancome Climat, Guerlain Vetiver, Paco Rabanne, Givenchy Gentleman, Nina Ricci L’Air du Temps, Joop!, The Maker Spiritus (candle), The Maker Fire
FOLLOW: @themakerhotel @perfumeroompod
SHOP/VISIT THE MAKER: themaker.com
SHOP MY DISCOVERY SET: twistedlily.com/products/twisted-talent-x-emma-vernon

May 24, 2022 • 56min
51. Perfume That's Meant to Surprise *and Delight* (w/ Maison Crivelli Founder Thibaud Crivelli)
Maison Crivelli Founder Thibaud Crivelli is in the Perfume Room this week! Thibaud shares the ethos behind ‘slow perfume,’ the thru-line of *shock* in all of his fragrances, tales of his travels around the world the scents that came from them, the multi-sensorial discovery kit and what's actually on those re-usable blotters (spoiler alert: it’s not just pretty patterns), the biggest compliment-getter of the collection (thus far ;)), and of course, what’s next.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Maison Crivelli: Citrus Batikanga, Papyrus Moleculaire, Hibiscus Mahajad, Santal Volcanique, Papyrus Moleculaire, Lys Solaberg, Patchouli MagnetiK, Citrus BatiKanga, Armani Acqua di Gio, YSL Live Jazz, Hermes Terre d'Hermes, Dior Homme, Lancome Figues & Agrumes, Frederic Malle Iris Poudre, Nettuno Mendittorosa, Maison Crivelli: Iris Malikhan, Rose Saltifolia
FOLLOW: @maisoncrivelli
10% off w/ code perfumeroom10: twistedlily.com
WATCH PERFUME ROOM LIVE: https://caveat.nyc/event/perfume-room-live-5-21-2022/

May 17, 2022 • 58min
50. When Fragrance Creates Community (w/ BROWN GIRL Jane Co-Founders Malaika Jones and Tai Beauchamp)
Today I am joined by BROWN GIRL Jane Co-Founders Malaika Jones and Tai Beauchamp. BROWN GIRL Jane is Black women-owned, plant-based wellness line with everything from CBD gelees and serums to you guessed it… fragrance! What all of their products have in common is the they were specifically designed with the needs and wants of BIPOC women in mind. In this episode we discuss the inspiration behind the brand, the kismet story behind its founding, and of course… the most recent expansion into fragrance!
FRAGS MENTIONED
Grace de Monaco Promenade Sur le Rocher, BROWN GIRL Jane: Lamu, Casablanca; Frederic Malle Portrait of a Lady, Byredo Oud Accord, BROWN GIRL Jane Baha’i, Creed, Bond No. 9, Issey Miyake, Dior Poison, Oil of Olay, VS Pear Glace, DKNY Cashmere Mist, By Kilian Love Don’t Be Shy, B&BW, Jean Paul Gaultier, Miss Dior, Chanel Chance
FOLLOW: @itsbrowngirljane @taibeau @browngirlmalaika
SHOP: www.browngirljane.com
VOTE FOR TFF Awards: fragrance.org