
Simplifying Complexity
Simplifying Complexity is a podcast about the underlying principles of complex systems. On the show, we explore the key concepts of complexity science with expert minds from around the world. Each episode focuses on an interview where we break down a specific concept in detail.
Latest episodes

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Apr 14, 2025 • 1h 10min
Nicholas Gruen vs Rory Sutherland
Rory Sutherland, Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK, and Nicholas Gruen, CEO of Lateral Economics, engage in a spirited debate about systems thinking's role in solving complex social issues like homelessness. They emphasize the need for inclusivity and deeper understanding over simplistic solutions. The conversation also critiques rigid methodologies in government problem-solving, advocating for creativity. Additionally, they explore the ethical dilemmas in invention, such as penicillin's legacy, and discuss the complex interplay between innovation, culture, and market dynamics.

Mar 31, 2025 • 38min
How cultural evolution shapes us - Part 2
Join Paul Smaldino, a cognitive scientist specializing in cultural evolution, as he dives into the intricacies of how we shape and are shaped by our cultural landscapes. He explores the impact of technology on social learning and identity signaling, highlighting the challenging dynamics of trust in the algorithmic age. Discover how individuals navigate identity in their social circles and the implications of cultural evolution on political identities. Paul’s insights reveal the evolutionary roots of our behavior and the complexities of modern societal interactions.

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Mar 17, 2025 • 34min
How cultural evolution shapes us - Part 1
Join Paul Smaldino, a Professor of Cognitive and Information Sciences and expert in cultural evolution, as he unpacks how cultural evolution shapes human behavior. Discover the fascinating interplay between culture and genetics, including how societal practices influence evolutionary traits like milk digestion. Smaldino also dives into the role of cultural norms in adaptive problem-solving and contrasts it with the evolution of organisms in stable environments. His insights challenge traditional disciplinary boundaries, highlighting the richness of transdisciplinary research.

Mar 3, 2025 • 51min
What is your country good at?
Ricardo Hausmann is the Founder of Harvard’s Growth Lab and an expert in economic complexity. He discusses how the breadth of knowledge within an economy directly impacts its growth potential. Key topics include the contrast between Austria's diverse export capabilities and Australia's focus on lower-complexity goods. He also explores cognitive proximity's role in economic development, highlights the importance of resource extraction in Australia, and envisions opportunities in a decarbonizing world, emphasizing Australia's potential in sustainable industries.

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Feb 17, 2025 • 53min
Do you have free will? - Part 2
In this engaging discussion, Kevin Mitchell, an Associate Professor of Genetics and Neuroscience at Trinity College Dublin, dives into the fascinating realm of metacognition—how we think about our thinking. He contrasts human decision-making with that of other species, exploring how our evolved brain structure influences belief evaluation and planning. The conversation delves into the complexities surrounding free will versus determinism, revealing the intertwined nature of genetics, consciousness, and our understanding of moral responsibility.

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Feb 3, 2025 • 34min
Do you have free will? - Part 1
In this thought-provoking discussion, Kevin Mitchell, an Associate Professor of Genetics and Neuroscience at Trinity College Dublin, delves into the origins of free will. He explores the evolution of behavior from single-celled organisms to complex humans. The interplay between neurodevelopment and moral responsibility is highlighted, alongside the idea of living beings as information processors. Kevin also discusses how evolutionary pressures shape decision-making, revealing how instinct evolves into learned behavior over time. It's a fascinating journey into the nature of cognition!

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Jan 20, 2025 • 44min
Law and complexity science
Michal Shur-Ofry, an Associate Professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and a complexity science expert, delves into the intricate relationship between law and complexity. She critiques traditional legal frameworks for oversimplifying complex systems, advocating for a fresh, network-science approach to patent regulation. Michal also discusses the challenges posed by exponential growth during crises like pandemics, urging a rethinking of legal principles of proportionality. Her insights promise to reshape legal education and practice, making complexity concepts more accessible to future legal professionals.

Jan 6, 2025 • 38min
The scientist who made the digital world possible - Part 2
In this discussion, guest Jimmy Soni, a best-selling author and expert on Claude Shannon, uncovers the genius behind Shannon's revolutionary 1948 paper on communication theory. They reveal how Shannon's work tackled communication challenges, introduced the concept of 'bits,' and paved the way for modern technology. Soni shares insights into Shannon's life, his friendships with mathematical legends, and the profound impact of error-correcting codes on our digital world. It's a fascinating journey through the origins of the digital age!

Dec 23, 2024 • 32min
The scientist who made the digital world possible - Part 1
Jimmy Soni, a best-selling author known for his works on Silicon Valley and Claude Shannon, dives into the life of Dr. Shannon, the unsung hero of the information age. He discusses how Shannon revolutionized communication technologies in the 1940s, paving the way for innovations we take for granted today. Soni highlights Shannon's early life and education, revealing the influences that shaped this tech pioneer. The conversation also touches on early computing's challenges and the foundational elements of Boolean logic that defined modern digital systems.

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Dec 9, 2024 • 48min
The dynamics of financial instability
Steve Keen, an accomplished economist and Honorary Professor at University College London, delves into the failures of neoclassical economics versus post-Keynesian thought. He emphasizes how complexity science and chaos theory can illuminate economic cycles of booms and busts. Keen critiques the flawed aggregation in neoclassical models and argues for integrating private debt into frameworks. He champions multi-agent modeling and government intervention in financial systems to foster stability and prevent crises, making a compelling case for rethinking economic dynamics.
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