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A weekly show of constitutional debate hosted by National Constitution Center President and CEO Jeffrey Rosen where listeners can hear the best arguments on all sides of the constitutional issues at the center of American life.
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Jul 24, 2025 • 48min
W.E.B. Du Bois and His Impact on America
David Levering Lewis, a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and authority on W.E.B. Du Bois, discusses the profound influence of Du Bois on American history. He delves into Du Bois's evolving views on race, leadership, and socialism while detailing his role in establishing the NAACP. Lewis also highlights Du Bois's critical writings, such as 'Black Reconstruction in America,' and examines his critiques of capitalism. The conversation emphasizes Du Bois's enduring legacy in social justice, encouraging a deeper engagement with his work and its relevance today.

Jul 17, 2025 • 58min
Can President Trump unilaterally lay off 1,400 Department of Education employees?
Derek Black, a constitutional law professor at the University of South Carolina, and Neal McCluskey, director at the Cato Institute Center for Educational Freedom, dive into the implications of President Trump's proposed layoffs in the Department of Education. They analyze the balance of power between federal and state authorities, the historical evolution of the department, and the potential impacts on student rights. The duo also reflects on the legality of such staff reductions and whether a leaner department could effectively serve its educational mission.

Jul 10, 2025 • 52min
Covering the Supreme Court
Jan Crawford, Supreme Court correspondent for CBS News, alongside Jess Bravin from The Wall Street Journal and Fred Smith Jr., Professor of Law at Stanford, dive into the intricate dynamics of the Supreme Court. They discuss the polarization within the Court and the influence of media on public perception. The conversation sheds light on historical and contemporary clashes between judicial authority and presidential power, the implications of landmark decisions, and the evolving relationship between the Court and media, emphasizing the need for balanced reporting.

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Jul 3, 2025 • 1h
Supreme Court Term Roundup
Steve Vladeck, a law professor and author of The Shadow Docket, teams up with Sarah Isgur, SCOTUSblog editor and legal analyst, to dissect the latest Supreme Court term. They dive into the implications of justices' decisions on executive power and judicial transparency. The pair also highlights recent rulings impacting immigration and birthright citizenship while speculating on the court's future direction. Their insights reveal the powerful dynamics at play within the Court and the ongoing challenges to judicial legitimacy.

Jun 26, 2025 • 1h 7min
Unpacking the Supreme Court’s decision in United States v. Skrmetti
On June 18, the Supreme Court upheld a Tennessee law that prohibits medical transitions for transgender minors. In this episode, William Eskridge Jr. of Yale Law School and Christopher Green of The Ohio State University join to debate the decision and to discuss the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
Resources
United States v. Skrmetti (2025)
Christopher Green, Brief amicus curiae, United States v. Skrmetti (Oct. 15, 2024)
William Eskridge, et al., Brief amici curiae, United States v. Skrmetti (Sept. 3, 2024)
Geduldig v. Aiello (1974)
Bostock v. Clayton County (2020)
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Jun 19, 2025 • 58min
Can President Trump Federalize the California National Guard?
On June 7, President Trump asserted control over California’s National Guard. In this episode, Professor Michael Ramsey of the University of San Diego School of Law and Liza Goitein of the Brennan Center join Jeffrey Rosen to explore the meaning of 10 U.S.C. 12406 and unpack California Governor Gavin Newsom’s lawsuit challenging the legality of President Trump’s actions.
Resources
Michael Ramsey, “John Yoo on Presidential Authority to Use the National Guard,” The Originalism Blog (June 13, 2025)
Elizabeth Goitein, “Unpacking Trump’s Order Authorizing Domestic Deployment of the Military,” The Brennan Center (June 10, 2025)
Elizabeth Goitein, “Preventing Use of National Guard to Evade Posse Comitatus Act,” Center for a New American Security (May 20, 2025)
Newsom v. Trump, Northern District of California (June 12, 2025)
Martin v. Mott (1827)
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Jun 12, 2025 • 58min
Executive Authority: Presidential Power From America’s Founding to Today
Saikrishna Prakash, a law expert from the University of Virginia, and Gillian Metzger, a scholar at Columbia Law School, delve into the evolution of presidential power from the Founding Fathers’ intentions to modern interpretations. They debate the unitary executive theory and its implications for independent agencies. The discussion highlights historical tensions between Congress and the presidency, exploring how recent court rulings, including cases involving Trump, shape contemporary views on executive authority and compliance with legal constraints.

Jun 6, 2025 • 59min
Charles Sumner: Conscience of a Nation
Charles Sumner was an abolitionist senator who helped to write the post-Civil War Constitution and give birth to modern civil rights law. Zaakir Tameez, author of the new biography Charles Sumner: Conscience of a Nation, joins Jeffrey Rosen to discuss Sumner as a moral thinker, political activist, and constitutional visionary.
Resources
Zaakir Tameez, Charles Sumner: Conscience of a Nation
Zaakir Tameez, “What we can learn from the senator who nearly died for democracy,” The Washington Post (June 1, 2025)
Richard Kreitner “Charles Sumner Was More Than Just a Guy Who Got Caned on the Senate Floor,” The New York Times (June 2, 2025
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May 29, 2025 • 56min
The History of Jews in the American South
Richard Kreitner, an author and historian focusing on Jewish history and American slavery, and Shari Rabin, a scholar specializing in the Jewish South, offer fascinating insights into the Southern Jewish experience. They discuss Jewish immigration's roots, the struggle for equality, and the roles of notable figures like Judah Benjamin. The conversation highlights Ernestine Rose's advocacy for women's rights and abolition, the rise of anti-Semitism during the Civil War, and the political dynamics in the post-war Jewish community.

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May 23, 2025 • 45min
Executive Power in the Trump Era
Constitutional scholars Ilya Shapiro, Stephen Vladeck, and Adam White delve into the controversial expansion of executive power during the Trump administration. They draw historical comparisons, highlighting concerns over the diminishing role of Congress and the rise of an imperial presidency. The discussion critiques judicial responses to executive actions and examines the current legitimacy crisis facing the judiciary. With reflections on the intricate relationship between the presidency and the courts, the scholars emphasize the need for institutional trust and political self-restraint.