BE THAT LAWYER

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Julie Yusim discuss:Adding a little positive self-talk to your routine. Getting value for your networking time. Going deep and playing the networking long game. Evaluating your wide network to see where you should go deeper. Best tips and tactics for effective networking.  Key Takeaways:Networking is about giving, more than anything, especially at the beginning, even if you don’t see how it is going to come back to you. Have a couple of things that you can give in your back pocket, even if you are new to networking. Most networking relationships evolve and mature over time. Get to know those in your smaller circle best, but don’t ignore others in your network. Following up is where the networking really starts. Make notes about the person and conversation you had, then make sure you follow up specifically, not in a blast email selling your services.  "The good news is networking works. The less-than-good news is networking is work. It’s not a horrible amount of work, it’s not taxing, it’s not expensive, but there is a process that if you want to be successful at it, you need to follow." —  Julie Yusim Find out more about the Mastering the Legal Clock and Thriving Event at: https://fretzin.com/events Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: ProVisors: https://provisors.com/Boomerang for Outlook: https://www.boomerangoutlook.com/Book: Endless Referrals by Bob Burg - https://www.amazon.com/Endless-Referrals-Third-Bob-Burg/dp/0071462074 About Julie Yusim: Julie Yusim has spent the majority of her career coaching small business owners. She served as Executive Director of a Chicago-area Chamber of Commerce for 17 years, where she taught business owners to how maximize their marketing and networking efforts. As the Director of Marketing for a family-owned chain of auto repair shops, Julie built the company’s brand awareness through extensive networking and marketing. Before consulting full-time, Julie studied and mastered the marketing and compliance systems of a leading U.S. insurance company in order to build the personal brands for successful agent/owners. Julie is an enthusiast of grass-roots marketing techniques and is well-known in Chicago-area business circles as an expert “connector” of people and resources. Julie sits on the Board of Directors for Hunger Resource Network and is an Ambassador for the Northbrook Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Connect with Julie Yusim:  Website: https://www.ideamaxmktg.com/Email: julie@ideamaxmktg.comPhone: 847-975-5257LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-yusim-4aa23713a/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/julie.yusim/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61552727541602Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/networkinggoddess Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Lisa Katz discuss:Starting to build your book of business from early in your career. Providing value to your clients with a network of other service providers. Things you need to know when working with counsel. The playbook for building a book of business. Having the hard conversations to experience the growth.  Key Takeaways:Everything is consecutive and cumulative, the more you meet with someone and have great, but shorter conversations, the more impact it will have than one multiple-hour conversation. It’s not about the client, it is about the person behind the relationship you are building. The longer you network and connect, the more you learn and grow and keep the connections that fit you and you fit them. Everybody wins when you’re able to connect and solve each other’s problems or connect them with the person who can. Your internal network at a law firm is just as important as your external connections.  "Revisiting conversations with the same people at multiple conversations makes sense because factors change. Take time to do that, even committing to a couple hours a week or 20 minutes a day." —  Lisa Katz Find out more about the Mastering the Legal Clock and Thriving Event at: https://fretzin.com/events Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Book: Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg - https://www.amazon.com/Lean-Women-Work-Will-Lead/dp/0385349947 About Lisa Katz: Lisa Katz is half a healthcare lawyer, half a finance lawyer, and all broker all the time. She prides herself in being a strategic partner with her clients by acting as an outside general counsel to her healthcare provider clients and by representing numerous banks and private lenders on their healthcare finance transactions.  Connect with Lisa Katz:  Website: https://www.polsinelli.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-katz-17bb1321/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/polsinelli/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Andy Hite discuss:Practicing the change you want to see now. How leadership done right can change the world. Emotional intelligence and its role in leading a team and developing a strong culture. Building a strong culture.Uncovering the stories we tell ourselves, and challenging those stories.  Key Takeaways:Do it now. You don’t need to wait to see the changes that you want to see in the world. Try now and make changes every day to be closer to what and who you want to be. Emotional intelligence is the true distinguisher between management and leadership. Leaders do need to manage, but managers don’t need to lead. Cultivating both skills creates impactful organizations. Releasing control will allow you to practice things that will allow you to be an effective leader. You only have so much capacity. Your values need to be more important than revenue.  "A business is a macrocosm of individuals living out values. If someone really wants a strong culture, they have to define ‘Who do we want to be as an organization? What values do we want to espouse?’ Then filter every decision, action, and way of being in the world through those values." —  Andy Hite Find out more about the Mastering the Legal Clock and Thriving Event at: https://fretzin.com/events Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Podcast: The Diary of a CEO with Steven Bartlett - https://stevenbartlett.com/the-diary-of-a-ceo-podcast/ProVisors - https://provisors.com/ About Andy Hite: Andy Hite is a recognized executive coach who supports entrepreneurs, executives, and their teams as they navigate the world of building businesses and lives filled with prosperity, meaning, & freedom. Connect with Andy Hite:  Website: http://www.scalingminds.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-hite/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-SturkieAudio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Pratik Shah discuss:Committing to the process, not just the result, of business development. Tips to develop positive business development habits.Looking out for everyone in your business network. Going deep and wide in the right areas of your network.  Key Takeaways:You should have a plan going into your networking event. There is more to it than just showing up and being in the room. Have a committed schedule for progressing your business development routine forward. You can then plan around it if it is on your schedule. Don’t be a professional taker - by helping others you will get so much more out of it. With the way legal tech is developing, you will, eventually, not have a choice to switch or start using it. Don’t be afraid to jump in and start learning to help your clients and your employees. Bring your team in to identify pain points and have someone review the tech options that could help to solve those problems.  "Put in inquiries. The more options you see out there, the more you will see what fits with your firm. Every firm is so different, it is impossible to say which tech your firm should have." —  Pratik Shah Find out more about the Mastering the Legal Clock and Thriving Event at: https://fretzin.com/events Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: The Lawyerist: https://lawyerist.com/Bob Ambrogi’s Blog: https://www.lawnext.com/Podcast: The Game with Alex Hormozi  About Pratik Shah: Pratik serves as the CEO and co-founder of EsquireTek a leading technology platform used by litigation attorneys to help automate written discovery he is also the Associate Director of Litigation at Panish Shea Boyle Ravipudi where he focuses on business development for the firm as well as trial and litigation strategy. Connect with Pratik Shah:  Website: http://www.psbr.law/Website: http://www.esquiretek.com/Email: pshah@esquiretek.com  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pratik-shah-8916198/Instagram: https://instagram.com/esquiretekInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecloseresq Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Mary Adkins discuss:Why you should consider writing a book today. Building trust as an author. Moving past the things keeping you from following your dream of writing a book. Tips to break down a big project into manageable bites.  Key Takeaways:For many people, books are a medium that they enjoy and help them learn and retain information more than a video or audio might do. Books can replace your business card - one will do more for you than the other. Book writing is often less time and less work than people assume it will be. There are increasingly more reasons to self-publish, but there are pros and cons with both traditional publishing and self-publishing. For the first time in 2023, self-publish books are making more than traditionally published books.  "A major skill set lawyers have that not a lot of people have is 1) getting their head around massive amounts of information and organizing it - which is very helpful when you’re working with a book, and 2) understanding the idea of having an outline or a skeleton that you’re going to flesh out." —  Mary Adkins Find out more about the Mastering the Legal Clock and Thriving Event at: https://fretzin.com/events Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: The One Thing by Gary Keller and Jay Papasan About Mary Adkins: Mary Adkins is a writing coach and founder of The Book Incubator, a 12-month program to write, revise, and pitch your novel or memoir. She is author of the novels When You Read This (Indie Next Pick, “Best Book of 2019” by Good Housekeeping and Real Simple), Privilege (Today.com “Best Summer Read,” New York Post “Best Book of the Week”), and Palm Beach (recently named one of the New York Post’s “Best Books of 2021”). Her books have been published in 13 countries, and her essays and reporting have appeared in the New York Times, The Atlantic, Slate, and more. A graduate of Yale Law School and Duke University, she helps aspiring authors finish their books with joy and clarity. You can apply for The Book Incubator by going to apply.maryadkinswriter.com. Connect with Mary Adkins:  Website: https://maryadkinswriter.com/Website: https://thebookincubator.com/Show: https://maryadkinswriter.com/podcastLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-adkins/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adkinsmary/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jordan Ostroff discuss:How business planning and life planning are more similar than you might think.Building a life that makes you happy.Helping yourself make the right choices, not the wrong ones.Achieving multiple outcomes from the same action (not multitasking). Key Takeaways:Put a team together to support you so you can focus on the things that are your unique talent - in your business, and in your personal life.What low-hanging fruit are you overlooking that could change the game?Start making small changes, they will add up and result in massive changes in less time than you think.You are not the best at most things - delegate the things that you aren’t the best at. Know your limitations. "You’re not sacrificing the work, you’re empowering somebody else who is better at these things to do them better than you would." —  Jordan Ostroff Get a free audio copy of Steve’s book “Legal Business Development Isn’t Rocket Science” here: https://fretzin.com/audiobookGiveaway: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QjhaqoRqFKG1D0mZvyFDfPIOVn0iXrU8O-1wtM8FVQE/edit Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Atomic Habits Summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ7lDrwYdZcAtomic Habits by James Clear: https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habitsThe Four Tendencies - Gretchen Rubin: https://gretchenrubin.com/books/the-four-tendencies/Delivering Happiness by Tony Hsieh: https://www.amazon.com/Delivering-Happiness-Profits-Passion-Purpose/dp/0446576220 About Jordan Ostroff: Jordan Ostroff is a successful lawyer and visionary entrepreneur. After working as a prosecutor for the State Attorney's Office, Jordan founded his own firm, Driven Law in 2015, a personal injury firm that focuses on using technology and automation to provide top-level legal work with care and compassion. Over the next few years, he went from a struggling lawyer to a successful business owner. He has made it his life’s goal to help more law firm owners run a firm they can be proud of and live a life that’s even better! Connect with Jordan Ostroff:  Website: https://jordanostroff.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-ostroff/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jordan.ostroffInstagram: https://instagram.com/lawyerwithalife Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Bo Royal discuss:The most common mistakes law firms make on their websites and landing pages. Why you should have A/B Testing on your website. Understanding where your website traffic comes from. Tips to improve law firm websites and landing pages immediately. Key Takeaways:Focus optimization on a few key pages - you do not need to overhaul your whole website anytime there’s an issue. Invest in high-quality photo (and video) content on your website that educates your clients on who you are, who you serve, and what you’re all about. Phone calls tend to be the most high-quality leads - have a click-to-call functionality on your website. Don’t underestimate social proof. Nothing is going to sell your law firm better than a client testimonial.  "All of the tracking needs to be owned by the law firm. It cannot be something that the agency owns. That data is invaluable to the law firm in the long run." —  Bo Royal Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Intaker: https://intaker.com/home/Modern Wisdom Podcast: https://chriswillx.com/podcast/ About Bo Royal: Bo Royal is a former Fortune 500 advertising agency executive turned law firm marketing expert. After holding leadership positions at eBay's marketing solutions division and scaling the online advertising revenues of a variety of well-known brands, such as Calvin Klein, Bo pivoted into the world of legal marketing six years ago and never looked back. Today, Bo co-owns and operates Pareto Legal, a growth marketing agency positioned to help small and medium-sized law firms add an extra 7 figures in cases to their pipeline. Connect with Bo Royal:  Website: https://legal.paretoppc.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bo-royal/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pareto-legal/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Frank Agin discuss:Why networking isn’t pushed in law school. The science of networking and why networking is like golf. The power of small talk (and why it actually works). The three reasons lawyers do not get referrals.  Key Takeaways:Networking is really about building relationships and helping others.You have to help people to help you. If they don’t know what you do or what you are looking for, they won’t know how to refer you or that you even are looking for more business. People need help from you to recognize the referral opportunities and, perhaps, even the empowering language to know what to say. Build relationships outside of the organizations you’re a part of. Meet a few of them on a deeper level, add value to their lives, and it will come around in spades.  "Find something you’re passionate about and get out and volunteer. Get out there, put yourself out there with people who care about the same thing you do, and you’ll be amazed and what comes from that." —  Frank AginSign up for How to Become a Rainmaker to Achieve Work-Life Balance with Steve Fretzin and Jennifer Gillman at https://fretzin.com/events.  Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Three New People by Brian MillerFoundational Networking by Frank AginNetworking Rx Podcast About Frank Agin: Frank Agin is president of AmSpirit Business Connections, which empowers entrepreneurs, sales representatives and professionals to become successful through networking.He also shares information and insights on professional relationships, business networking, and best practices for generating referrals under the brand name Networking Rx. This is done via the Networking Rx podcast or the Networking Rx content sharing platform which can be found at www.networking-rx.com.Finally, Frank is the author of several books, including Foundational Networking. See all his books and programs at www.frankagin.com.  Connect with Frank Agin:  Website: https://www.amspirit.com/Books: https://www.frankagin.com/Podcast: https://networking-rx.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankagin/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/amspirit-business-connections/Twitter: https://twitter.com/frankaginTwitter: https://twitter.com/amspiritFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/frankaginFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/amspiritbusinessconnectionsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/frankagin43/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amspiritbc/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Manuj Aggarwal discuss:Why law is behind in other businesses, especially in the realm of technology. Sales, marketing, and scaling your law firm. Benefits of building a network and keeping in touch with your relationships. Using technology to maintain and strengthen network and client relationships.  Key Takeaways:Running a business is a different skill set than practicing law. But it is a skill that can be learned through practice, understanding your unique skills, and understanding the market around you. Use technology to build systems to help you maintain contact with people in your network. It is still authentic, but it keeps you top of mind and keeps the relationships strong. When using AI technology, such as ChatGPT, ask better questions and tell better stories. We live in an attention economy - whoever has the attention, gets the business. "As things get more and more automated, the value of human connection and relationships will continue to go higher. If you want to survive in the next wave of technology, focus on that - focus on building those networks and relationships." —  Manuj Aggarwal Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: PodMatch: https://podmatch.com/MidJourneyAI: https://www.midjourneyai.ai/ChatGPT: https://chat.openai.com/Podcast: The Art of Making Things Happen with Steve D Sims About Manuj Aggarwal: Manuj Aggarwal, is the founder and Chief Innovation Officer of TetraNoodle Technologies, an elite AI consulting company. With a remarkable track record of driving transformative change, Manuj, through TetraNoodle, has touched at least 10 million lives and generated over $500M in value through his expertise in technology and AI. He has shared his insights at the United Nations alongside distinguished figures like the Secretary-General and Nobel Peace Prize winners, while President Obama and Bill Gates have recognized his work. With four AI patents to his name, Manuj is the perfect mentor to guide you through the transformative potential of AI and its benefits for businesses. Join us and discover the limitless possibilities of AI under the guidance of this visionary industry influencer. Connect with Manuj Aggarwal:  Website: https://tetranoodle.com/Podcast: https://manujaggarwal.com/podcasts/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manujaggarwal/Twitter: https://twitter.com/manujagroFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/manuj.aggarwal/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Travis Hoechlin discuss:Marketing for your law firm. Where money is being wasted on marketing. Isolating your target market audience. Three marketing secrets that lawyers don’t know.  Key Takeaways:Whether you have your own firm or work for someone else, you can still have independence and power, you just need to learn how to make it rain. Track what you are doing for your marketing. You need to know your ROI. You need to make sure your Google My Business page is claimed, updated, and accurate. Have a line in the water with your local community. You can absolutely compete with larger firms if you target those near you.  "I always ask my boys, ‘How is your marketing doing? What kind of return on investment are you getting from this?’ And if they can't tell me that, I know they're not tracking it." —  Travis HoechlinSign up for How to Become a Rainmaker to Achieve Work-Life Balance with Steve Fretzin and Jennifer Gillman at https://fretzin.com/events. Get a free audio copy of Steve’s book “Legal Business Development Isn’t Rocket Science” by emailing Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Podcast: How I Built This with Guy Raz About Travis Hoechlin: Born and raised in Southern California by an entrepreneurial family, my dream had always been to own a successful company that made a difference in people’s lives. With over 15 years of experience in the legal marketing industry, today we help hundreds of law firms grow their firms and attract new clients.When not working I enjoy spending time with my wife Jessie, daughters Blake and Payton, and our dog Bailey. I love to travel, listen to live music, play golf, and watch sports (Los Angeles Lakers, USC football, and Los Angeles Angels). Connect with Travis Hoechlin:  Website: https://www.rizeupmedia.com/Cell Phone: 714-261-0185Email: travis@rizeupmedia.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travishoechlininternetmarketing/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rizeupmedia/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TravisHoechlinTwitter: https://twitter.com/rizeupmediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/travishoechlinFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/rizeupmediaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/travishoechlin/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rizeupmedia/   Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.