BE THAT LAWYER

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Laura Sauter discuss:What branding really is and what it really means. Personal branding to stand out authentically. Building and protecting your reputation and brand. Reflecting on your personal brand and values to elevate your law practice.  Key Takeaways:People hire lawyers, not just law firms. To stand out, you must have your own branding, not just that of the firm. You only know what your brand is when it is reflected to you by those who love you and those who hate you. Dig deep, understand yourself, and be you. That is your biggest differentiator. You don’t need everyone as a customer. You just need the right ones.  "No matter what the company, no matter what the size, I'm still going to go through those core values and help those entities, the person or the firm, understand how they are unique within the plethora of offerings out there." —  Laura SauterTake the BE THAT LAWYER challenge at Fretzin.com! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: The Power of You by Chris MichaelsThe 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy FerrissThe Brand You by Tom Peters About Laura Sauter: Meet Laura Sauter, a seasoned brand expert, educator, and speaker passionate about the power of personal branding. With over two decades of experience in brand strategy and design, Laura empowers entrepreneurs, non-profits, and seasoned company founders to navigate growth, transition, and conflict with confidence. Laura's expertise lies in strategic brand positioning, naming, corporate identity, and associated marketing. She has consulted for multinational corporations such as Fidelity, Biogen, and TJX, as well as numerous small and mid-sized companies across New England and nationwide. As a dynamic speaker and educator, Laura shares actionable insights and strategies to help individuals and businesses amplify their personal brands. Her approach combines precision, creativity, and empathy to drive tangible results in today's competitive landscape. Whether you're looking to enhance your personal brand or elevate your company's identity, Laura Sauter is your trusted partner in achieving lasting impact and success. Connect with Laura Sauter:  Website: https://agencybel.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-sauter-58a341/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/agency-bel/Twitter: https://twitter.com/agencybelFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/laura.sauter.5/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/agencybelInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/designerlulu/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/agencybel/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and David Aaronson discuss:Why sales has a bad reputation in the legal industry. Being human before selling. Properly utilizing the Universal Seven Principles of Persuasion. Understanding the emotional decision-making that happens before the intellectual decision-making.  Key Takeaways:Sales has changed from hard selling to consultant selling. There is power in social proof and in having authority. What are you doing to build relationships and authority in your area of expertise?Look at what your competitors are doing and be an authority against those competitors. If they are creating lots of content online, you should be as well to compete with them. Do your research on those you want to build relationships with to create unity with something beyond the superficial.  "Just because the seven principles are there, doesn't mean they're going to happen naturally, you have to affect them." —  David Aaronson Take the BE THAT LAWYER challenge at Fretzin.com! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: ProVisors: https://www.provisors.com/HubSpot: https://www.hubspot.com/Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555Yes! By Robert B. Cialdini: https://www.amazon.com/Yes-Scientifically-Proven-Ways-Persuasive/dp/1416570969 About David Aaronson: As the owner of Digital Inbound, David is a Cialdini Institute Certified Coach, trainer, and practitioner, specializing in the field of marketing. Our focus is leveraging the Universal 7 Principles of Persuasion (PoP) to help get more prospects to say yes. We are dedicated to demonstrating how to utilize the 7 PoPs not just for marketing and sales, but for everyday decisions we all make. We utilize insights from both Robert Cialdini, Ph.D. author of Influence, the Psychology of Influence and Daniel Kahneman, Ph.D. winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics and author of Thinking, Fast & Slow. Connect with David Aaronson:  Website: https://www.digitalinbound.com/Email: david@digitalinbound.comPhone: 323-428-2015LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidcaaronson/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digital-inbound/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

Sarah Victory, CEO of The Victory Company and an international bestselling author, shares her insights on building a robust legal business through effective speaking. She discusses the importance of resilience in facing challenges and emphasizes the value of networking at speaking engagements. Victory encourages lawyers to hire support early and seek talent beyond borders. With her extensive experience, she outlines strategies for converting leads from presentations into lasting client relationships. Dare to grow and connect authentically!

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Robert Friedman discuss:Focusing on the client and what their needs are, both physical and psychographic. The five questions Robert asks each of his questions.  Setting your aperture appropriately. Understanding your positioning and making it work for you.  Key Takeaways:When you can position yourself precisely, you won’t attract everyone, but you will attract the right clients to your firm. You have to do both the strategy work and the research work to know that you’re landing in the right space with your branding. If your message is not resonating with your potential referral sources and clients, then workshop it. Ask for feedback and be willing to listen. You don’t want to spin your wheels when a simple change could bring business growth. Focus on what makes you unique and make sure that comes across to your clients and potential clients.  "The number one way to differentiate is to really think about what you value and what you stand for and put that upfront." —  Robert Friedman Take the BE THAT LAWYER challenge at Fretzin.com! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: The Win Without Pitching Manifesto by Blair EnnsTake Robert’s Brand Strength Assessment for more information: https://www.fearlessbranding.com/resources/ About Robert Friedman: I am the founder of Fearless Branding. I work with experts in law and consulting who are at the top of their game, but whose firms are not realizing their full potential. They want bigger clients and more lucrative cases/engagements but they struggle to get traction with their ideal clients. Here’s what I find: Frequently, professional services and consulting firms deliver powerful, unique expertise but they don’t reap the rewards because the way they define their value is generic. They’re not controlling their own narrative. For over 20 years, I’ve worked with expert firms to transform the way they present themselves to their market. We define their unique brilliance and develop a winning narrative that answers their prospects’ most important question: “Why should we choose you.” My work delivers a complete brand transformation: I deliver firms a new way to talk about themselves and position themselves precisely in the minds of their ideal clients. Deliverables include brand identities, website (including all messaging), thought leadership marketing and guidance for the right language for business development conversations. Results are significant increase in average engagement size, driven by increased clarity and confidence. Before Fearless Branding I was in brand management for Kraft and other major food companies, and I was a “Mad Man” for big New York City advertising agencies. Connect with Robert Friedman:  Website: https://www.fearlessbranding.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rfriedmanfearlessbranding/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Andrew Michaels discuss:Matching your branding and headshot to your firm and business goals. Opening the doors to consultation with your headshot. What every lawyer should have in their arsenal of headshots. AI headshots.  Key Takeaways:For internal purposes, you should have a friendly-looking headshot. That may not be what you want for your public headshot. Different variations on your headshot can be used for different purposes in your branding, marketing, and social media. A good impression will work for you. But more than that, everyone deserves to have a professional photo of themselves that they love. A headshot is meant to create a human connection. Using AI removes that humanity from the picture.  "We talk a lot about judging a book by its cover. You're not supposed to do that, but as human beings, that’s the way that we're wired. It's just science, at this point, that a good impression will work for you." —  Andrew Michaels Email Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com for a chance to audit one of his exclusive rainmaker round table groups in April! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Get your bonus offer for your Super Lawyer Session at https://www.statestreetheadshots.com/super-lawyerHuberman Lab Podcast - https://www.hubermanlab.com/podcast About Andrew Michaels: Andrew Michaels is a corporate headshot photographer who believes in selling without telling. With his award-winning imagery, Andrew helps attorneys tell viewers they are looking at a winning firm. Running his sessions with direct cues and some timely banter, he guides individuals through a range of expressions to match various content forms - from a warm smile to a game face that says "We fight for you". Having taken over 10,000 headshots, Andrew has developed a system that caters to all personalities, so even the most camera-shy individuals can finally lean into their greatest selling point, themselves. Connect with Andrew Michaels:  Website: https://www.statestreetheadshots.com/Email: andrew@statestreetheadshots.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmichaelschi/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/state-street-headshots/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrewmichaelschi/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/statestreetheadshotsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/andrewmichaelschiInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/statestreetheadshots Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Niraj Chhabra discuss:How law firm financial planning is different from the average person. Building a relationship on education first with your financial advisor. Avoiding outgrowing your income. Understanding your expenses now to know what you need for the future. Thinking about and planning for long-term care.  Key Takeaways:Attorneys need more than just retirement planning, but it is often overlooked. Your savings should increase in proportion to your income and everything else. If you think creatively, there are ways to use time and money to your advantage for the future that isn’t taxed. Everyone considers monthly costs, but many do not consider seasonal budget items like traveling expenses or holiday budgets.  "Whether you make $100K per year or $1M per year you have the same limits on how much you can put into your 401K and defer on your taxes. So we got to find creative ways to get that money to work outside of the bank account, we have to find creative ways to defer taxes and take advantage of vehicles that other folks may not be taking advantage of." —  Niraj Chhabra Email Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com for a chance to audit one of his exclusive rainmaker round table groups in April! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: The Power of Less: The fine Art of Limiting Yourself to the Essential…in Business and in Life by Leo Babauta: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Less-Limiting-Yourself-Essential/dp/1401309704 About Niraj Chhabra: Niraj Chhabra is the Managing Director of SideBar Advisors. Before launching the firm in 2022, he was an advisor with Ameriprise Financial since 2005, concentrating on clients in the legal profession. His central focus includes family finances, tax and estate strategies, retirement, and financial planning for small businesses. His goal is to help attorneys navigate their unique tax challenges and modify their financial plans as their careers evolve. He does this by offering attorneys holistic financial planning and complimentary educational workshops. Connect with Niraj Chhabra:  Website: https://sidebaradvisors.com/Show: https://sidebaradvisors.com/podcasts/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nirajchhabra/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sidebaradvisors/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SideBarAdvisors/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sean Klunder discuss:Why law firms tend to run behind other types of businesses in marketing. Understanding your SEO strategy. Individual lawyer marketing versus law firm marketing. Alignment and consistency in messaging in all areas of your firm. Watch out for fool’s gold to ensure you’re swimming in the blue ocean.  Key Takeaways:There is a difference between Marketing and marketing. Without a strategy, it is all just random acts of marketing.Sales patterns have changed over the last few years. People are taking themselves 60-70% through the sales cycle online digitally before ever contacting the law firm. Identify your unique differentiator. Use the three pillars to help identify that: what do you do, who do you help, and what makes you different.Be targeted to who you’re disseminating your message. Where are those targets digitally? Are you also there?  "It is really important to have that strategic focus before jumping directly into the tactical execution." —  Sean Klunder Email Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com for a chance to audit one of his exclusive rainmaker round table groups in April! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Blue Ocean Strategy by W. Chan Kim and Renee Mauborgne: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Ocean-Strategy-Uncontested-Competition/dp/1591396190 About Sean Klunder: Sean Klunder is a seasoned marketing transformation expert with a particular skill set in digital marketing. He combines his business strategy expertise with marketing transformation and execution to help law firms with explosive growth. Sean has worked with numerous law firms to develop business growth strategies, brand transformations, customized digital marketing strategies, implement the latest digital marketing initiatives, automate marketing using integrated technologies, and build reporting systems to illustrate ROI.Prior to his fractional CMO role, Sean was Senior Vice President of Marketing and Product Management at Korn Ferry International. He was also Vice President of Marketing and Digital Development at World Book (a Berkshire Hathaway company), and Divisional Vice President at ETA/Cuisenaire. For 9 years Sean was also an Adjunct Professor of Digital Marketing at the Lake Forest Graduate School of Management where he developed his own curriculum and trained MBA candidates on strategically growing businesses through modernized digital marketing. Because of Sean’s successes in helping law firms develop and implement customized marketing strategies, he developed a proven approach to help law firms strategically grow. Connect with Sean Klunder:  Website: https://www.lawfirm-cmo.com/Email: sklunder@lawfirm-cmo.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sklunder/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/law-firm-fractional-cmos/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Pamela DeNeuve discuss:The importance of empathy, compassion, and a trusted listening ear. Why anxiety, stress, and depression often start in law school. What to do (and not to do) in the morning to have a better day.Overcoming the busyness and stress of being a lawyer.  Key Takeaways:11%, that’s 11 out of 100, lawyers are struggling with suicidal ideation. Please know, there is help out there and you are not alone. The conversation and culture need to change in the legal industry. While resources do exist, in many firms, there has been a stigma to any lawyer taking advantage of mental health resources. You must set yourself up for the next day, and that begins before you leave the office. Select what is going to be done first the following morning then there’s no question about what is going to happen. Do an hour and a half worth of work before you touch the phone or your email and you will feel like you have momentum to your day. If you can start with meditation before that, it will give you a great foundation to start the day.  "It starts the night before. You’ve got to prepare, to set yourself up for the next day. How you start your day will determine the rest of your day. You can't be sloppy or haphazard." —  Pamela DeNeuve Email Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com for a chance to audit one of his exclusive rainmaker round table groups in April! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: https://988lifeline.org/Lawyer Well-Being Report: https://lawyerwellbeing.net/the-report/ About Pamela DeNeuve: Pamela specializes in helping lawyers to increase productivity and to scale their law practice while building their book of business. She began coaching lawyers in Los Angeles, California, in 1992. She advocates for attorneys to succeed without sacrificing their mental, emotional, and physical well-being. She created and delivered courses to Bar Associations throughout the USA. She has also spoken internationally to empower the legal profession. Pamela also produced an international podcast, Lawyer of the Week. Pamela has negotiated deals for AM100 law firms. She is a Peer Reviewer for the NATIONAL TASK FORCE ON LAWYER WELL-BEING, published by The American Bar Association in 2017. She is a contributor to Huff Post and Medium and has written over 200 articles regarding Lawyer Well-Being. Pamela’s new book published by Globe Law and Business, “Thriving in a Multi-Generational Law Firm: How to Increase Communication and Collaboration Among Lawyers” can be ordered online. #lawyercoach #lawyerwellbeing #stressrelief #productivity Connect with Pamela DeNeuve:  Website: https://www.pameladeneuve.com/Email: pamela@pameladeneuve.comBook: https://www.pameladeneuve.com/bookLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pameladeneuve/Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeneuvePam40790Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pamela.deneuve/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pamelalawfirmstrategist/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pdeneuve/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makinglawyersrich/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Marco Brown discuss:Changing your mindset to overcome limitations placed on you by yourself or your family. Leveraging the knowledge of those who came before you. Learn and implement the sales skills you didn’t learn in law school. Leveraging your attorney referral sources.  Key Takeaways:Learn how to sell. Even before you are making it rain, you can turn a potential client into a client through sales and closing. You are not better than sales. As a lawyer, you sell high-level concepts (arguments, negotiations, etc.) every single day. Be aggressive with the sale when you are the right person to help the potential client because you know you can help them solve their problem. Not all referral sources are created equal. Question and qualify potential referral sources to understand how you can help them and they can help you.  "Really successful people curate the people around them. That’s perfectly acceptable! You want to be around the people who share your values and who benefit you the most and you can benefit them." —  Marco Brown Email Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com for a chance to audit one of his exclusive rainmaker round table groups in April! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Alex Hormozi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhormoziLee Rosen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leewrosen/Grant Cardone: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantcardone/The Jordan B Peterson Podcast: https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/podcast/Brett Trembly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bretttrembly About Marco Brown: Marco grew up in a small village in Alaska called Cold Bay (population 85). He never did manage to graduate from high school, getting his GED before moving on to college, and eventually graduating with honors from law school.In 2010, Marco and his wife, Demaree, moved to Utah and Marco started Brown Family Law, with no clients and no network, on the floor of their condo. They were $160,000 in student loan debt at the time.Since then, Marco has been awarded Utah Family Law Attorney of the Year, as voted on by his peers in the Utah Bar Association. Brown Family Law has grown and helped over 4000 through divorce and family law situations in Utah, and its expanding beyond Utah to help people in other states.In his free time, Marco spends most of his time with his wife and three kids. He also loves to cook and travel, usually to Italy. For exercise, he does what he enjoys: walking and lifting heavy things and puts them down.#Utah#DivorceAttorney #BrownFamilyLaw Connect with Marco Brown:  Website: https://www.brownfamilylaw.com/Email: marco@brownfamilylaw.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcocbrownTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@divorceattorney Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ashley Robinson discuss:Creating a life on purpose. Niching down your business to focus on who you want to work with. Where lawyers need help with putting their marketing money. Understanding what potential clients (and Google) are seeing when they look at your website. Working with your marketing company to know what’s happening now and what the future holds.  Key Takeaways:Plan to be present in your relationships and in your business. Marketing isn’t bad, but a lot of nuance and strategy goes into understanding what you need for your firm specifically. You need to understand your goals before you start building your marketing plan. Does your client speak to your greatness? Or does it speak to your client’s pain points?  "It's on me to bring you qualified leads, it's on you to be a good lawyer and to convert those leads into clients." —  Ashley Robinson Email Steve at Steve@Fretzin.com for a chance to audit one of his exclusive rainmaker round table groups in April! Thank you to our Sponsors!Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Green Cardigan Marketing: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/ Episode References: Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell: https://www.amazon.com/Buy-Back-Your-Time-Unstuck/dp/059342297X About Ashley Robinson: Ashley Robinson is the founder of Green Cardigan Marketing; a boutique marketing agency who specifically targets the unique marketing needs of the legal industry.   Connect with Ashley Robinson:  Website: https://greencardiganmarketing.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyrobinsongcm/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/green-cardigan-marketing/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GreenCardiganMarketingInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/green_cardigan_marketing/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.