
The Resilient Pastor
Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.
Latest episodes

May 23, 2024 • 41min
41 | Dr. Anita Phillips on Pastors’ Mental Health & Betrayal Trauma
Dr. Anita Phillips discusses pastors' mental health challenges, betrayal trauma, and the need for better support systems. They delve into the emotional complexities pastors face, the impact of isolation, and the importance of seeking therapy for mental health struggles in pastoral roles.

May 21, 2024 • 1min
Coming Soon: Season 5 of ‘The Resilient Pastor’ Podcast
Send us a textJoin Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral well-being, church leadership and navigating the pressing cultural challenges of today. New episodes start on May 23, 2024 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode!Follow along on Youtube.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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Jan 16, 2024 • 1h 8min
40 | John Mark Comer on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation
John Mark Comer, founding pastor of Bridgetown Church, discusses the limitations of a Sunday-centric model of discipleship, the power of a rule of life, and the importance of contemplative prayer, confession, and intentional experiences of suffering in spiritual formation.

Jan 2, 2024 • 48min
39 | David Kinnaman on Spiritual Backstories, Deconstruction & Resilience
David Kinnaman, CEO of Barna Group, joins hosts to discuss spiritual openness, deconstruction, and the importance of understanding people's spiritual backstories. They explore the challenges facing the church on the West Coast, the decline of religious affiliation, and the rise of deconstruction among those with a Christian backstory. The chapter emphasizes the need for authenticity and the role of Christian communities in discovering identity. They also express gratitude towards resilient pastors and introduce the Resilient Pastor Video Series as a valuable resource.

Dec 19, 2023 • 59min
38 | N.T. Wright on Vocation, Lament & Suffering
Theologian and author N.T. Wright discusses prayer and lament in the church, vocational satisfaction for pastors, and the encouragement found in Paul's letter to the Romans. They explore the challenges and suffering of following Jesus, the significance of theology in Paul's life, and the misunderstood meaning of Romans 8:28. They also reflect on the gift of lament and offer a prayer for strength and encouragement for pastors and church leaders.

Dec 12, 2023 • 48min
37 | Jeanne Stevens on Community Engagement & Global Outreach
Send us a textJeanne Stevens (pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, IL) joins Glenn Packiam to share about how her church is engaging their local community, rethinking what global partnership can look like and what she’s learning about the power of presence through her own leadership journey. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Learn more about Jeanne’s latest book, What’s Here Now, and discover how you can get involved with World Vision’s Chosen initiative today.Partner LinksWorld Vision: Visit WorldVision.org/Barna2024 to access the Resilient Pastor video series. Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohortAdvent Series (Week 1, Week 2)

Nov 28, 2023 • 46min
36 | Gabriel Salguero on a Pastoral Approach to Addressing Current Events
Gabriel Salguero, pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, FL, discusses addressing national and local issues, balancing priestly and prophetic callings, and the importance of relational support for church leaders. They also explore trends in the Latino church community and offer insights for the broader church.

Nov 14, 2023 • 48min
35 | Jess Connolly on Ministry Burnout & Accepting Your Limitations
Send us a textJess Connolly (author, church planter, coach) talks with Sharon about the overlooked causes of burnout among church leaders. Together, they talk about the importance of not making exceptions to your limitations, the power of the ministry of absence and the important role of rest and time management for sustainable ministry.Check out Jess’s upcoming book, Tired of Being Tired: Receive God’s Realistici Rest for Your Soul-Deep Exhaustion. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

Oct 31, 2023 • 47min
34 | Ike Miller on Redeeming Childhood Wounds & Cultivating Healthy Relationships
Send us a textIke Miller joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the valuable insights he has gained from church planting, how painful childhood experiences and trauma shape pastor’s leadership styles and how to harness childhood wounds as a source of strength in addressing the needs of your congregation.Check out Ike’s latest book Good Baggage: How Your Difficult Childhood Prepared You for Healthy Relationships. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort

Oct 17, 2023 • 49min
33 | Faith Eury Cho on Navigating Wilderness Seasons & Encountering God's Presence
Send us a textFaith Eury Cho (co-pastor of Mosaic Covenant church) and Glenn Packiam discuss how to handle God's absence, developing awareness of His presence and managing ministry challenges during wilderness seasons. Plus, in the introduction discussion, Rich, Sharon and Glenn share their experiences in leading during spiritually dry spells and encouragement on expanding our understanding of God's presence.Check out Faith’s latest book Experiencing Friendship With God: How the Wilderness Draws Us to His Presence. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort today. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastCity RoundtablesCohort