
The Resilient Pastor
Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.
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Sep 26, 2024 • 56min
50 | Pete Scazzero on Pastoral Credibility & Establishing Trust Within the Church
Send us a textPete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusCheck out Rich Villodas’ new book: The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our SoulsWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

Sep 12, 2024 • 51min
49 | Jimmy and Irene Rollins on Building Healthy Marriages & Relational Support for Pastors
Send us a textJimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Two Equals One Ministry: Two Equals One MinistryCheck out the Rollins’ latest book: Two Equals One BookGlenn with the double glasses: PictureWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

Aug 29, 2024 • 52min
48 | Mark Matlock on Rethinking Evangelism & Reaching the Spiritually Curious
Send us a textGlenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Mark Matlock’s latest book, Faith For The Curious: How an Era of Spiritual Openness Shapes the Way We Live and Help Others Follow JesusWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

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Aug 15, 2024 • 47min
47 | Megan Fate Marshman on Leading Amidst Grief & Learning to Slow Down
Megan Fate Marshman, a preacher known for her insightful leadership, shares her personal journey through grief and how it shapes her ministry. She discusses the importance of vulnerability in sermons, emphasizing the need for authentic connections within church communities. Megan also explores the struggle between relaxation and hustle culture, advocating for a deeper intimacy with Jesus as a source of peace. She encourages listeners to find hope in simplicity and cultivate an honest faith amid life's challenges.

Aug 1, 2024 • 51min
46 | Reward Sibanda on Spiritual Openness in the Next Generation & the Impact of Digital Technology
Send us a textOn today’s episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam and Reward Sibanda discuss the gaps in spiritual openness between the Church and the next generation, the impact of digital spaces and how spiritual disciplines like fasting are connected to holistic renewal.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusPartner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcastWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

Jul 18, 2024 • 48min
45 | Michael Wear on Navigating Political Polarization & the Spiritual Impact of Politics
Send us a textMichael Wear sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss what it looks like for Christians to engage in politics, how spiritual health impacts the state of our politics and some practical ways to navigate political conversations. Michael also shares his personal experience working in the White House and the challenges he’s faced as a Christian in politics. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Michael Wear’s latest book, The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public LifePartner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

Jul 4, 2024 • 45min
44 | Daniel Im on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation in a Post-Everything Age
Daniel Im, a spiritual formation expert, discusses the challenges of leading a church in a post-everything world. Topics include developing robust discipleship pathways, the role of pastors in guiding congregations, the impact of the church growth movement, and the importance of community and commitment in discipleship.

Jun 20, 2024 • 48min
43 | Lisa Whittle on the Pastoral Credibility Crisis & Rebuilding Trust
Send us a textIn this episode, Glenn, Rich and Sharon sit down to discuss the challenges pastors face in gaining and maintaining trust amidst a crisis of credibility. Then, Lisa Whittle shares her personal experience as the daughter of a pastor who experienced a public fall, emphasizing the need for accountability, compassion and grounding faith in Jesus to rebuild trust and resilience in ministry.___Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Lisa Whittle’s organization Ministry Strong.Partner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

Jun 6, 2024 • 56min
42 | Carey Nieuwhof on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Leadership Succession
Send us a textCarey Nieuwhof sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the trends he is noticing among younger generations of church leaders, lessons he learned from his pastoral succession at Connexus Church and practical advice he’d give to young leaders entering into ministry. Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Carey Nieuwhof’s Art of Leadership Academy.Partner ResourcesDownload World Vision’s free resource “The Liberating Move of God” at WorldVision.org/BarnaPodcast.Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcast

May 23, 2024 • 41min
41 | Dr. Anita Phillips on Pastors’ Mental Health & Betrayal Trauma
Dr. Anita Phillips discusses pastors' mental health challenges, betrayal trauma, and the need for better support systems. They delve into the emotional complexities pastors face, the impact of isolation, and the importance of seeking therapy for mental health struggles in pastoral roles.
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