
The Resilient Pastor
Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.
Latest episodes

Oct 3, 2023 • 51min
32 | Ken Shigematsu on Grace, Shame & Developing Healthy Rhythms
Send us a textKen Shigematsu (Senior Pastor of Tenth Church in Vancouver, BC) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about the role of confession in overcoming shame, the healing power of embracing God’s grace and how a rule of life can help leaders set healthy rhythms of rest and formation in their lives. Check out Ken’s latest book Now I Become Myself: How Deep Grace Heals Our Shame and Restores Our True Self.Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort launching January 31, 2024.Watch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupWant to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastRoundtablesPartner LinksWorld Impact: Check out the latest Barna webinar with World Impact at barna.com/urbanchurch.RightNow Media: Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.

Sep 19, 2023 • 45min
31 | Chuck DeGroat on Narcissistic Leadership & Healing from Past Wounds
Chuck DeGroat, a professor, therapist, and author, delves into narcissistic leadership and healing from past wounds. The podcast explores the impact of unhealed trauma on leadership, practical ways for pastors to heal, and the complexities of leading confidently without fear of being a narcissist.

Sep 15, 2023 • 2min
Welcome to Season 4 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast
Send us a textSeason 4 of The Resilient Pastor podcast will be back on Tuesday! Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral health, church leadership and navigating complex challenges in today’s culture.New episodes start on September 19. Share the Season 4 trailer, and subscribe to The Resilient Pastor wherever you listen to your podcasts.

Jul 25, 2023 • 58min
30 | Beth Moore on Cultivating Resilience & Finding Hope in Hardship
Send us a textBeth Moore (author, speaker, teacher) talks with Sharon Hodde Miller about staying open through criticism, lessons she’s learned from her years in ministry and leaving a legacy for future generations of church leaders. Additionally, Sharon, Glenn and Rich discuss the impact that a leader’s family of origin and patterns of trauma can have on how they show up in their ministry roles.Beth’s memoir, All My Knotted-Up Life, is available wherever you buy books.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBrotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.RightNow Media: Visit rightnowmedia.org to find out how RightNow Media can serve your church.

Jun 27, 2023 • 47min
28 | Bianca Olthoff on Preaching & Church Planting
Send us a textBianca Olthoff (church planter, author, speaker, podcaster) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about some of the emotional tolls of preaching, developing resilience through her journey with church planting and navigating the leadership challenges of political and cultural polarization. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorldVision: Get access to the free Engaging Gen Z webcast at worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.

Jun 13, 2023 • 51min
27 | Nijay Gupta on Women’s Roles in Scripture & in the Church
Send us a textNijay Gupta (New Testament professor at Northern Seminary) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about what we often misunderstand about the role of first century Greco-Roman women in society, unpack some of the language around titles and roles in the early church and offer practical ways to support women in churches and seminaries today.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorldVision: Get access to the free Engaging Gen Z webcast at worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.

May 30, 2023 • 52min
26 | Lucy Peppiatt on Revival & the Gifts of the Spirit
Send us a textLucy Peppiatt (Principal of Westminster Theological Centre) talks with Glenn Packiam about the role of spiritual disciplines in our lives with God, creating room for the Holy Spirit in both planned and spontaneous parts of ministry and differentiating between outpourings, renewal and revival. Join Barna for a FREE webinar on June 8, The Summer Sabbatical: Why You Need One and 4 Ways to Make the Most of It.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna Group

May 16, 2023 • 45min
25 | Heather Thompson Day on Gen Z & Digital Technology
Send us a textDr. Heather Thompson Day (Associate Professor of Communication at Andrews University) discusses with Glenn Packiam why Gen Z in particular has such a desire for mentorship and relationships, how to communicate more effectively in your sermons through storytelling and the role of technology in connecting with the younger generations.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorldVision: Get access to the free Engaging Gen Z webcast at worldvision.org/ResilientPod.Brotherhood Mutual: Learn more about the services that Brotherhood Mutual offers at BrotherhoodMutual.com.

May 2, 2023 • 44min
24 | Ed Stetzer on Spiritual Openness & the State of Evangelism
Send us a textEd Stetzer (incoming dean of the Talbot School of Theology at Biola University) sits down with Glenn Packiam to comment on some of Barna’s latest research on spiritual openness, the unique opportunities for evangelism in this current moment and why missiology and theology matters for everyday church ministry decisions. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna GroupWorldVision: Get access to the free Engaging Gen Z webcast at worldvision.org/ResilientPod.FullStrength Network: Learn more about the well-being membership at www.fullstrength.org.

Apr 18, 2023 • 41min
23 | Kara Powell on Spiritual Formation & the Next Generation
Send us a textKara Powell (Executive Director of Fuller Youth Institute) joins Glenn Packiam to share about the power of intergenerational relationships, how good ecclesiology forms the development that happens in youth ministries and the impact of young people for the broader Church.Sign up for the Barna & MOPS webinar, ‘Engaging Moms: The Evangelism Strategy No One Is Talking About But Should Be’ today! Registration now open.Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home PagePodcastBookWatch this episode on Youtube: Barna GroupFollow Barna at:Instagram: @barnagroupTwitter: @barnagroupFacebook: Barna Group