

Accounting High
Accounting High
Accounting High is the premier practice management podcast for tax and accounting firm owners. Join us for conversations about running a modern accounting practice in the cloud. We are the next generation of accounting professionals questioning the state of the accounting profession.
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Apr 26, 2023 • 1h 22min
133 Modeling Behavior for Clients and Accounting Firms (feat. Jamie O'Kane, CPA)
Episode 133
In this episode of Accounting High, host Scott interviews Jamie O'Kane, a CPA and Certified Tax Coach. Jamie shares her journey from high school to starting her own firm, discussing her experiences with clients, niche industries, firm hard numbers, scope and pricing, and more. She also shares valuable insights on outsourcing and unlocking time, as well as advice for accountants looking to grow their business and take care of their team. Overall, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the accounting industry and how to build a successful accounting firm.
Interview:
Early career: high school, tax years, consulting
Moving to family office, helping clients, being a Doula
Starting a firm, family and employees, no niche yet
Cash break-even, trying things out, modeling good practices
Firm hard numbers, scope and pricing, speaking events
Keeping up with niche industry, using other consultants
Accountability and coaches, rebranding, letting clients go
Being stuck in the business, difficulty in finding accountants
Helping people, taking care of the team
Determining clients to keep, software, outsourcing, unlocking time
Closing:
Advice for biggest unlock
Shoutouts:
Randy Crabtree, Intuit’s Tax Advisor Summit, Nicole Glasson, Travis Baird, Ignition, QuickBooks, Karbon, Cognito Forms, Canopy, TaxDome

Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 30min
132 A Solution to the Public Accounting Problem (feat. Chase Birky, CPA)
Episode 132
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In today’s episode of Accounting High, Scott interviews Chase Birky, CPA, about his journey from working at Deloitte to starting his own firm, Dark Horse CPAs. Chase talks about the impetus for pivoting his business, getting away from client work, and focusing on scalability. He shares his inspiration for the structure of his firm, the challenges of specializing and niching, and his big goals for the future. The episode also features a rap by Chase and a discussion on what it means to be a dark horse in the industry.
Interview:
Chase talks about realizing that audit wasn't the right fit for him and starting up his own firm.
He discusses pivoting the firm, staffing, and getting funding for marketing and scalability.
Chase talks about becoming CEO and the inspiration for the structure of the firm.
He discusses the challenges and goals of Dark Horse and its niche in public accounting.
Chase talks about the fear of external factors that could affect niches and the origin of the Dark Horse name.
He wraps up with words of wisdom.
Closing:
The episode concludes with Chase discussing the importance of being a dark horse and black sheep in the industry.
Shoutouts:
QuickBooks, Xero

Apr 24, 2023 • 53min
131 Business Guide for Accountants (feat. Geraldine Carter)
Season 4 Episode 131
In this episode of Accounting High, Scotty and Ackerman interview Geraldine Carter, a seasoned business consultant who has lived and worked in over 50 countries and now lives in Idaho. They discuss her background and the transformative power of travel, as well as her insights on the common mistakes CPAs make and the importance of value pricing and sales in accounting. Geraldine emphasizes the need for guidance rather than instruction for clients and the benefits of niching by vertical. She also shares her thoughts on spending versus waste and recommends a book. Tune in to learn more!
Interview:
Geraldine discusses her experiences traveling around the world and how they changed her perspective on life and business.
She shares her decision to leave her first company and start her own business as a business strategist.
Geraldine highlights three things CPAs are doing wrong, including not using value pricing, not seeing sales as necessary, and telling clients what to do instead of guiding them.
She explains how niching by vertical can help CPAs differentiate themselves and attract ideal clients.
Geraldine emphasizes the importance of having hard numbers and plans and distinguishing between spending and waste.
Shoutouts:
Jay Shetty, Climate Ride, Ron Baker

Apr 21, 2023 • 1h 23min
130 Fiercely Independent (feat. Liz Scott)
Episode 130 | Recorded August 29, 2022
Introduction:
In this episode of Accounting High, Scott sits downs with Liz Scott, a consultant and entrepreneur who shares her journey of starting her own business and the importance of staying up to date with technology and cybersecurity. Liz talks about her passion for training others with apps and creating courses and the impact of Covid on her work. She also discusses the importance of cybersecurity and offers practical tips on staying safe from cyber threats. If you're interested in entrepreneurship, technology, and cybersecurity, this episode is definitely worth a listen!
Interview:
Liz discusses her experience starting her own business and pivoting to cloud-based services.
She talks about her love for training and creating courses
Liz shares firm hard numbers and the goals of her lab, as well as the origins and purpose of the Appy hour camp.
The discussion also includes cybersecurity issues such as data leaks, security tips, and the importance of being prepared for a hack.
Closing:
The episode concludes with Liz offering advice on preparing for cybersecurity threats and emphasizing the need to be smart, not fearful.
Shoutouts:
Stacy Kildal, Slack, Rob Smith, Microsoft, Zapier, William Murphy, Dawn W. Brolin, CPA, CFE, Andrew Wall, CPA, CMA,

Apr 19, 2023 • 1h 5min
129 Perfectly Imperfect (feat. Keila Hill-Trawick, CPA)
Episode 129 | Recorded January 30, 2023
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Music Video for Simple Tasks!
In this episode of Accounting High, Scott interviews Keila Hill-Trawick, a CPA who is doing things differently in her own firm called Little Fish Accounting. Keila shares how she got into accounting and the story behind the unique name of her firm. She also discusses her team, niche, priorities, and the apps they use to improve productivity. With a focus on community, Keila shares some great insights on how to stay motivated and continue to grow in the profession. This is an episode you won't want to miss!
Interview:
Keila talks about her journey into accounting and starting her own firm
They discuss the importance of doing things differently and why she chose to focus on smaller clients
Keila shares the hard numbers of her firm and her role in it
They discuss the importance of having a strong team and niche
Keila talks about her priorities, communication tools, and the apps she uses to increase efficiency and capacity
They touch on the importance of community and how March Appness can help choose the right tools
Keila also talks about the books that inspire her and the importance of embracing failure and taking breaks
Closing:
The Simple Tasks rap
Scott and Keila wrap up the episode
Shoutouts:
ClickUp, Slack, Karbon, Keeper, Drake, Tallyfor, Zapier, Fathom, QuickBooks, TaxDome, Thriveal, David Barrett, Expensify

Apr 17, 2023 • 1h 26min
128 Chat with a Guided Profession Transformer (GPT) (feat. Ed Kless)
Episode 128 | Recorded March 1, 2023
Introduction:
In this episode of Accounting High, host Scott interviews Ed Kless, a meta-consultant and business iconoclast. Together, they explore the art of asking effective questions, the value of strengths and weaknesses, and the importance of breaking the rules. Ed shares his insights on connecting music to superabundance and the accounting business, confronting our freedom, and confronting the challenges of the profession, including the cancerous timesheet. This thought-provoking episode challenges listeners to think differently about their work and the industry as a whole.
Interview:
what makes a good question?
Bringing gifts and identifying strengths and weaknesses
Ed shares how he met Ron Baker and how they became friends.
The importance of reading and becoming a Guide
Ed shares his love for musical theater and raps You Got Trouble.
The connection between music, super abundance, and the accounting profession
Breaking rules and The Chesterton Fence
The negative impact of timesheets on the accounting profession, alternative value-based pricing methods
The importance of managing the work, not the people
The value of questioning the present and confronting our freedom

Apr 14, 2023 • 1h 42min
127 Ambitiously Crossing the Burnout Bridge (feat. Serena Shoup, CPA)
Episode 127 | Recorded November 18, 2022
In this episode, Scott talks to Serena Shoup, CPA about her journey from college to becoming a CPA and eventually starting her own business. They also discuss motherhood, work-life balance, personal branding, and the importance of being intentional with social media. Tune in to learn more about Serena's story and insights on building a successful career while still prioritizing family and personal growth.
Who is Serena?
Ambitious side hustles to motherhood
Building the business so that there was more family time
Business development and helping others
Music and creativity
The employees
What is work? Family burnout, little sacrifices
Delegation
Wanting to throw in the towel
Personal brand issues
Rebrand
Ego, teams, soft skills
Being relatable
Self-confidence and age
The future, the burnout bridge, social media
You are the product
Social detox
Social media manager
Being intentional
Wrapping up
All the Shoutouts:
ADP, Microsoft Dynamics, Upwork

Apr 13, 2023 • 1h 26min
126 Teaching Tax Therapy and Accounting as Art on #TaxTwitter (feat. Mary McDonald, CPA & Amber Gray-Fenner, EA) | #SocialStudies
Episode 126 | Recorded August 1, 2022
In this episode of Accounting High, Scott hosts Amber Gray-Fenner and Mary McDonald to discuss various topics related to accounting and art. Amber shares her childhood and move to New Mexico, her experience in Albuquerque, and her insights on changes in the accounting industry. Mary discusses her origin story, the size of her firm, and how tax and accounting can be like a puzzle. They also talk about accounting as an art, the importance of authenticity, and finding creative outlets. The guests wrap up the discussion by emphasizing the importance of tax therapy and thanking Scott for his time and insights.
Interview:
Amber's childhood, moving to New Mexico, and experience in Albuquerque
Changes in the accounting industry over the last 10 years and why she chose to take on accounting
Getting an EA versus a CPA
Tax with "nano-business," pricing, and writing and creative outlets
Tax therapy and not just focusing on the numbers
Dealing with good and bad clients, referring out and making mistakes, and retiring from employees
Automation and workflow management, working with paper, and waiting on clients
Mary's origin story, the size of her firm, and being a teacher
Tax and accounting as a puzzle, accounting as art, and getting connected to artists
Tiara squad, kids, and mother vibes
Being authentic and salty, sassy, and savory
Closing:
Wrapping up the discussion on accounting and art
Emphasizing the importance of authenticity and finding a creative outlet.

Apr 12, 2023 • 1h 20min
125 Building a Technology Team at Your Accounting Firm (feat. Nick Pasquarosa, CEO)
Episode 125 | Recorded November 8, 2022
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Introduction:
In this episode, we talk with Nick Pasquarosa, the CEO and founder of Bookkeeper360, about building a technology team at your accounting firm.
Interview:
Nick shares about his background and how he started Bookkeeper360.
He discusses how he found Xero and integrated it into his business.
The conversation touches on the importance of technology and people in building a successful accounting firm.
Nick also talks about building a management team and the role of a board of directors.
The conversation delves into the difficulties of articulating a vision and bridging the imagination gap.
Nick shares his experiences of going remote and being disruptive in the industry.
He also talks about his goals and visions for the future, including subscription and value pricing.
The interview concludes with Nick sharing about his mindset and work-life balance.
Closing:
Thank you for listening to this episode.
Don't forget to tune in next time for more insightful #PeerReview conversations.
As a bonus, Nick shares a story about go-karting drama with Zachary Call.

Apr 11, 2023 • 52min
124 Lightspeed AI (feat. Enrico Palmerino, CEO)
Episode 124 | Recorded July 14, 2022
Enrico Palmerino, CEO of Botkeeper is an automated accounting platform that uses human-assisted machine learning and AI to deliver the fastest, most accurate, and lowest cost bookkeeping available to accounting firms. He is also an investor and advisor to several business venture funds and sits on the Technology Advisory Committee & Board of Corporators at Fidelity Bank. We discuss how regretful situations can blossom into blessings from the ground up. This episode is not short of inspiration and snippets in the life Enrico and how he went from making lighting more efficient and cost-friendly to innovating in the accounting space.
4 - What do you think of Accounting High?
5 - Botkeeper: The cool kids of the Accounting Space
7 - A way to make meetings cool? Have it in the pool!
8 - I’m like my best self and that’s myself I’m putting out there, unapologetically, unfiltered
9 - We can all evolve. We're still us at our core, we're never gonna really change who we
12 - Go out, you know, take risks, make changes, make mistakes, just learn from them, but never regret the life
Shoutout to Daniel Pink’s The Power of Regret
13 - Enrico’s lose-a-car, gain-a-family story
14 - The difference on our hosts’ need for speed
Shoutout to Dawn Brolin, CPA, CFE, ThinkLite
15 - ThinkLite: Enrico’s college business turned into a multi-million dollar company
19 - Botkeeper: the back office for accounting firms
Shoutout to Byron Patrick, CPA.CITP, CGMA
22 - I was like bored, stiff, and like couldn't sit still. And then was also just feeling like I lost my identity
24 - Think like a lot of entrepreneurs: Your next game is to tackle the problem you had at the prior business
27 - So more businesses demanding accounting, fewer accountants to do it. So I'm like, aha! Light bulb moment
28 - It wasn't to be like we're replacing accountants in the accounting industry. It was that if you make one accountant, do the work of three
35 - It’s way easier to sell advisory to the existing clients you have and upsell them than it is to go and find new clients and convince them
Shoutout to James Ashford’s Untapped
37 - Unknowns are very scary for a lot of us accountants
38 - AI Unchained: Hands-on, sleeves up, get sh*t done conference. This 9/25 - 9/27 in Boston
Shoutout to Karbon, Thriveal
42 - If we make firms highly efficient, standardized, next-level cloud, and they're not a Botkeeper user today, they become the best and easiest, like potential users for Botkeeper
44 - We don't necessarily know how to be good owners, managers, CEOs, people
Shoutout to Hap Klopp, Brad D. Smith Dark Horse CPAs, AICPA Engage, Joyner Lucas