
Industry Relations
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
Latest episodes

Jun 25, 2025 • 55min
Tori Amos?
The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg take a break from real estate to talk about one of their shared passions: music. They explore the most transformative artists and bands across genres from the 70s through today. Their conversation dives deep into the cultural impact of acts like Nirvana, Depeche Mode, NWA, and Metallica, and whether artists like Kanye West, Jay-Z, or Eminem changed the landscape or simply excelled within it. Key Takeaways What Makes an Artist Transformative – Rob and Greg define “transformative” as artists who changed culture or shifted their genre’s direction. Rock, Pop, and Hair Metal – From The Police and Joy Division to Motley Crue and Metallica, they debate which bands truly left a mark. New Wave and Synth Pop – A back-and-forth on whether bands like Depeche Mode, Erasure, and Eurythmics defined the New Wave era. The Rise of Hip-Hop – Analysis of Public Enemy, NWA, and Biggie’s role in changing rap’s tone—from political to gangsta to materialistic. Female Singers and Torch Artists – Greg shares his appreciation for female vocalists, from Tori Amos and Natalie Merchant to Billie Holiday and Aretha Franklin. Jazz, EDM, and Modern Music – A look at how genres like jazz and electronica evolved—and why Rob thinks music hasn’t really changed since the 2000s. Cultural Identity and Music in High School – Reflections on how music once defined high school social groups and why today’s digital world may be missing that connection. Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Watch us on YouTube Our Sponsors: Cotality Notorious VIP The Giant Steps Job Board Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios

Jun 18, 2025 • 59min
The thing about incentives
Hosts delve into the evolving world of real estate, highlighting how policy shifts impact broker incentives and the role of MLS. They discuss the consolidation of larger brokerages and its effects on smaller firms, plus the everyday challenges agents face amid industry drama. A segment on career paths for young adults emphasizes the importance of skilled trades in today’s job market, advocating for their potential to deliver financial stability and passion-driven success. Listeners will also enjoy reflections on a recent panel and engaging parenthood milestones.

Jun 11, 2025 • 52min
NAR Midyear Recap and then some...
The hosts recap thrilling moments from the NAR Midyear Meetings, revealing key industry developments and MLS policy changes. They discuss the implications of repealing the commingling ban on listing syndication and how the revised hate speech rule impacts industry dynamics. The intrigue continues with speculation about CMLS leadership transitions and potential mergers. The episode also highlights reduced vendor presence at trade shows and the challenges facing emerging tech companies in the real estate landscape.

Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 4min
Buyer's Market Fever Dream
What if we're entering a true buyer's market? The hosts delve into potential shifts in real estate dynamics, from antitrust litigation to tech-enabled brokerages. Discussions include how platforms like Zillow might adapt and the evolving role of AI in transactions. They explore historical trends, government regulation pressures, and the impact of affordable housing concepts. Expect lively debates on debt morality and trust erosion in the industry as they analyze what a buyer’s market could mean for both consumers and agents.

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May 28, 2025 • 57min
Cui bono?
Rob and Greg delve into the implications of Zillow's new ZLAS policy, discussing its shift in priorities and the potential loopholes for broker direct feeds. They highlight enforcement challenges and the ongoing ethical dilemmas surrounding consumer access to listings. The conversation touches on the upcoming MLS meetings and the evolving dynamics between established real estate practices and innovative online strategies. The hosts also draw intriguing parallels between the competitive nature of real estate and sports, emphasizing the need for collaboration over competition.

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May 21, 2025 • 53min
Full Circle
The discussion dives into the challenges of creating an end-to-end platform in real estate, sparked by Lower's acquisition of Movoto. Comparisons to seamless services offered by Amazon and Tesla highlight the difficulty of achieving a complete consumer experience. The role of real estate agents is debated, questioning if they truly provide that all-in-one solution. There’s also a look at the friction between agents and tech platforms, plus insights on the necessity of personal interactions amidst a tech-driven landscape.

May 14, 2025 • 53min
Be Careful What You Wish For
Rob and Greg dive into CoStar's bold move to have Homes.com boost listings banned on Zillow, sparking conversations about consumer vs. broker motivations. They question the true usage of multiple real estate portals by buyers. A proposed Illinois bill requiring public access for listings stirs debate about government intervention and the potential redefinition of MLSs. The hosts also tackle the political dynamics affecting housing affordability, especially for young men, emphasizing the need for market-driven solutions to today’s challenges.

May 7, 2025 • 51min
Back to books
The discussion dives into the cultural shift back to physical experiences, with real estate companies like Compass embracing printed listing books. The conversation also speculates on AI's role in real estate, pondering if efficiency trumps human connection. Amid societal burnout from digital life, there's a renewed fascination with analog tools, including the resurgence of tabletop gaming. The speakers humorously juxtapose traditional practices with modern technology, reflecting on the need for authentic interactions in an increasingly automated world.

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May 1, 2025 • 1h 1min
I don't think that word means what you think it means...
Rob and Greg dive into the shifting definitions of an 'open market' in real estate, spotlighting the impact of platforms like Zillow. They analyze how consumer behavior and technology are redefining this space and discuss the historical role of the MLS. The conversation humorously contrasts 'fair marketplaces' with 'open marketplaces,' questioning whether the terminology should evolve. Additionally, they explore the implications of portal dominance and the risks it poses to market fairness, all while keeping the tone lively and engaging.

Apr 23, 2025 • 47min
You down with CCP?
Rob and Greg dive into the shifting landscape of the real estate market, exploring how MLS rule changes, especially around the Clear Cooperation Policy, are reshaping strategies for portals like Zillow and Redfin. They discuss the implications of the Rocket-Redfin merger and how vendor challenges are evolving with new data policies. The duo highlights the differences in enforcement of marketing rules across MLSs and debates the tech adjustments brokers must make. Plus, a sprinkle of AI innovations in email marketing adds an intriguing layer to the conversation.