

Industry Relations
Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Jul 23, 2025 • 1h
Lawsuits, Listings & Listings Fees
Legal battles heat up as the lawsuit from Homie against NAR and big brokerages gets dismissed. A new referral fee disclosure policy by NWMLS sparks debate on consumer transparency. Realtor.com’s acquisition of Zenlist raises questions about the startup landscape in real estate. Homes.com launches a marketing campaign aimed at sellers, drawing mixed industry reactions. Throughout the discussion, the hosts ponder portal strategies and the shifting tides in the real estate landscape, hinting at future trends that could reshape the market.

Jul 16, 2025 • 59min
Vibe Buying
Dig into the debate about who should access real estate listing data, sparked by a Wired article on college students using Zillow to gauge wealth. One host argues for privacy, suggesting sensitive details should be restricted, while the other defends open data access. The conversation explores VOW rules, consumer legitimacy, and the clash between marketing and research data. Plus, enjoy stories of a memorable golf trip, blending personal anecdotes with serious discussions on modern transparency in the real estate landscape.

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Jul 2, 2025 • 59min
Monopoly Schmonopoly
The hosts explore the lawsuit filed by Compass against Zillow, questioning the legality and impact of Zillow's practices. They delve into the implications of behind-the-scenes meetings, dissecting the alleged statements from Zillow executives about controlling listings. The conversation also touches on Redfin's potential involvement and examines the competitive dynamics in real estate, where pressures and rivalries shape market behavior. Finally, the hosts debate the definition of monopoly power in this evolving industry landscape.

Jun 25, 2025 • 55min
Tori Amos?
Dive into a lively discussion about the transformative power of music across decades! The hosts explore iconic artists like Nirvana and Depeche Mode, debating their cultural impact. They reflect on the evolution of hip-hop from Run DMC to modern giants like Kendrick Lamar. Nostalgia reigns as they reminisce about 80s and 90s bands and their influence on youth identity. The conversation also celebrates powerful female voices in music and the ongoing evolution of genres like jazz and reggae, all wrapped in humor and personal stories.

Jun 18, 2025 • 59min
The thing about incentives
Hosts delve into the evolving world of real estate, highlighting how policy shifts impact broker incentives and the role of MLS. They discuss the consolidation of larger brokerages and its effects on smaller firms, plus the everyday challenges agents face amid industry drama. A segment on career paths for young adults emphasizes the importance of skilled trades in today’s job market, advocating for their potential to deliver financial stability and passion-driven success. Listeners will also enjoy reflections on a recent panel and engaging parenthood milestones.

Jun 11, 2025 • 52min
NAR Midyear Recap and then some...
The hosts recap thrilling moments from the NAR Midyear Meetings, revealing key industry developments and MLS policy changes. They discuss the implications of repealing the commingling ban on listing syndication and how the revised hate speech rule impacts industry dynamics. The intrigue continues with speculation about CMLS leadership transitions and potential mergers. The episode also highlights reduced vendor presence at trade shows and the challenges facing emerging tech companies in the real estate landscape.

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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 4min
Buyer's Market Fever Dream
What if we're entering a true buyer's market? The hosts delve into potential shifts in real estate dynamics, from antitrust litigation to tech-enabled brokerages. Discussions include how platforms like Zillow might adapt and the evolving role of AI in transactions. They explore historical trends, government regulation pressures, and the impact of affordable housing concepts. Expect lively debates on debt morality and trust erosion in the industry as they analyze what a buyer’s market could mean for both consumers and agents.

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May 28, 2025 • 57min
Cui bono?
Rob and Greg delve into the implications of Zillow's new ZLAS policy, discussing its shift in priorities and the potential loopholes for broker direct feeds. They highlight enforcement challenges and the ongoing ethical dilemmas surrounding consumer access to listings. The conversation touches on the upcoming MLS meetings and the evolving dynamics between established real estate practices and innovative online strategies. The hosts also draw intriguing parallels between the competitive nature of real estate and sports, emphasizing the need for collaboration over competition.

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May 21, 2025 • 53min
Full Circle
The discussion dives into the challenges of creating an end-to-end platform in real estate, sparked by Lower's acquisition of Movoto. Comparisons to seamless services offered by Amazon and Tesla highlight the difficulty of achieving a complete consumer experience. The role of real estate agents is debated, questioning if they truly provide that all-in-one solution. There’s also a look at the friction between agents and tech platforms, plus insights on the necessity of personal interactions amidst a tech-driven landscape.

May 14, 2025 • 53min
Be Careful What You Wish For
Rob and Greg dive into CoStar's bold move to have Homes.com boost listings banned on Zillow, sparking conversations about consumer vs. broker motivations. They question the true usage of multiple real estate portals by buyers. A proposed Illinois bill requiring public access for listings stirs debate about government intervention and the potential redefinition of MLSs. The hosts also tackle the political dynamics affecting housing affordability, especially for young men, emphasizing the need for market-driven solutions to today’s challenges.