
That Hoarder: Overcome Compulsive Hoarding
Hoarding disorder is stigmatised and people who hoard feel vast amounts of shame. This podcast began life as an audio diary, an anonymous outlet for somebody with this weird condition. That Hoarder speaks about her experiences living with compulsive hoarding, she interviews therapists, academics, researchers, children of hoarders, professional organisers and influencers, and she shares insight and tips for others with the problem. Listened to by people who hoard as well as those who love them and those who work with them, Overcome Compulsive Hoarding with That Hoarder aims to shatter the stigma, share the truth and speak openly and honestly to improve lives.
Latest episodes

May 10, 2024 • 38min
#139 Chronic disorganisation with Jo Cooke of Hoarding Disorders UK
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Today, chronic disorganisation with our special guest, Jo Cooke of Hoarding Disorders UK.
Chronic disorganisation impacts day-to-day living, from time management to project completion, and is closely connected to hoarding behaviours.
Jo’s written a whole book on the topic, so join us as we look into the overlap between chronic disorganisation and hoarding, executive dysfunction, and the impact of grief, trauma, and loss on these issues.
Chronic Disorganisation
Definition and impact on day-to-day living
Connection between chronic disorganisation and hoarding
Executive dysfunction and its effect on chronic disorganisation
Understanding and managing energy levels using the "spoon theory"
Physical self-care and its impact on organisation and management
Grief, Trauma, and Menopause
The role of grief, trauma, and loss in chronic disorganisation and hoarding
Societal shift in openly discussing menopause and its impact on daily life
Importance of self-compassion and understanding that disorganisation does not equate to laziness or lack of intelligence
Impact of Covid and Societal Factors
How Covid has impacted people's experiences, including loneliness, anxiety, and chronic overwhelm
Contribution of technology, fast-paced living, and societal expectations to difficulty in focusing and staying on task
Strategies for Managing Chronic Disorganisation
Body doubling as a method to have someone quietly cheerleading alongside on tasks
Importance of sustained attention, goal perseverance, and finding the right motivation and goal-setting approach tailored to individual preferences
Achieving and maintaining focus on tasks through setting achievable goals, tailored to individual needs, and utilising the PACE approach (Playfulness, Acceptance, Curiosity, and Empathy)
Overcoming Chronic Disorganisation
Importance of seeking help, defining what help looks like, and joining support groups to combat shame and self-blame
The release of Jo Cooke's book "Overcoming Chronic Disorganisation" for pre-order and her online presence at hoardingdisordersuk.org
Recognising trends in client needs, including bereavement, ADHD, and menopause, and challenges in organisation.
Chronic disorganisation impacts daily living with system struggles, time management, and tasks.
Hoarding and chronic disorganisation overlap due to executive functioning challenges, leading to repetitive acquisitions and disorganisation.
Modern life is fast-paced with high expectations, leading to difficulty focusing.
Body doubling can help remain on task.
Focus on short and medium-term goals, not just the ultimate goal.
Shame vs joy, playfulness, curiosity, and distress tolerance.
Support group helped challenge self-blame and shame.

May 3, 2024 • 42min
#138 The Accountability Effect: Accountability, encouragement and mutual support when tackling hoarding and dehoarding
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In today's episode, I talk about holding yourself accountable by yourself. Then I talk about holding yourself accountable if you've got an accountability buddy. And then I'm going to talk about holding yourself accountable if you don't have anybody that you can talk about hoarding with. Because those are 3 really different situations with really different pros and cons and approaches and benefits as well.
Accountability and Dehoarding
An accountability buddy who is also working on dehoarding
Mutual support and encouragement
Honest and constructive feedback
Using before and after photos for accountability and motivation
Setting up times to donate or recycle items together with an accountability buddy
Shared encouragement and sense of accomplishment
Solo Accountability in Dehoarding
Challenges of holding oneself accountable when nobody knows about the hoarding
Joining clutter groups on Facebook or posting on social media for accountability
A group Zoom session for hoarders to hold themselves accountable
Setting external deadlines for accountability
Using inspirational visuals and quotes
Having regular check-ins and task schedules
Tools for Accountability in Dehoarding
Using productivity apps or reminder apps to track progress
Finding features that work best for individual performance
Rewarding oneself with non-material rewards
The Concept of Accountability
Reluctance to commit to accountability
Acknowledgment of its effectiveness in achieving goals
Personal experiences and strategies for self-accountability
Tracking progress and setting deadlines
Holding yourself accountable is crucial for productivity.
Accountability involves planning and setting goals.
Regular check-ins help achieve and motivate goals.
Encourage and support each other for success.
Accountability buddy supports, encourages, and holds responsible.
Setting deadlines and visual, shared encouragement motivates.
Seek accountability through social media and groups.
Accountability involves self-discipline and planning to achieve goals.
Regular self-check-ins help stay on track, providing motivation and a sense of accomplishment.
Encourage support, set same time for tasks, share progress and tips with accountability buddy to overcome obstacles.
Having an accountability buddy offers mutual support, encouragement, and honesty in achieving goals.
Accountability buddy motivates donating items.
Find accountability in decluttering through social media or online groups

Apr 26, 2024 • 47min
#137 How to tackle a laundry backlog - or how to summit Mount Washmore
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Today, the daunting task of tackling a laundry backlog. In this episode, I discuss practical strategies to conquer Mount Washmore and take control of the laundry chaos. From decluttering to creating a laundry system, I look at ways to streamline the process and prevent clothes from piling up. I also touch on the environmental impact of overwashing and share experiences of managing overwhelming laundry situations. So if you're ready to conquer that laundry mountain and reclaim some peace, hit play for some valuable tips and insights.
Addressing the Extreme Laundry Circumstances
Using a laundrette to catch up
Don’t berate yourself for the laundry backlog
Practical Solutions for Managing Laundry Backlog
Declutter to reduce laundry load
Establishing a designated place for dirty clothes and towels
Involving others in the household in the laundry process
Creating a personalised system for ongoing laundry management
Minimizing Overwashing and Unnecessary Clothing Purchases
Advising against overwashing clothes to minimize environmental impact
The environmental impact of overwashing, especially in relation to microplastics and microfibres
Minimising new clothing purchases to reduce laundry load and simplify life
Liberating Feeling of throwing away items in bad condition
Identifying and removing barriers to doing laundry
Streamlining the Washing Process
Sorting laundry into darks, lights, and colours
Containing laundry in bags or containers to streamline the washing process
Disregarding special care instructions and putting items in the washing machine, finding that they come out fine
The gruelling but necessary process of dedicating days to washing laundry, especially without a tumble dryer
Challenge of managing limited drying space
Doing laundry less demanding than cleaning or decluttering
Gratitude for the invention of washing machines
Consideration of organizing a Zoom accountability session for listeners and encouraging them to express interest
Strategies for Tackling Laundry Pile
Prioritising cleaning a few days' worth of clothes before addressing the entire pile
Gathering all dirty laundry in one place and discarding items in bad condition without guilt
Managing laundry by organizing tasks around the workday, not allowing the volume of laundry to overwhelm
Alternative options for managing overwhelming laundry, including using a laundrette or paying for laundry services if necessary to alleviate stress and feeling of being overwhelmed by laundry
Prioritise survival over saving damaged items.
Efficient sorting made laundry process much easier.
Efficient laundry process allows for multitasking.
Outsource your laundry, let someone else handle it.
Delegate laundry tasks, find a system.
Overwashing sheds microplastics, buy less clothing.
Procrastination leads to fear and anxiety. Start by ensuring clean, comfy clothes.
In times of overwhelm, prioritise survival over waste and home livability over personal items.
Without a tumble dryer, drying clothes is limited to 2-3 loads a day, making it difficult to keep things moving without dampness.
It's important to be realistic about what to keep and donate while doing laundry.
Options for laundry: do it yourself, pay for pick-up service, or drop off at a laundromat.
Use a laundrette for extreme laundry situations, without feeling guilty.
Laundry tips for efficiency and delegation.

Apr 19, 2024 • 53min
#136 The lies, contradictions and justifications we tell ourselves about our stuff - I dissect and debunk 19 of them!
Exploring hoarding behavior, the podcast challenges common lies and justifications. From holding onto unnecessary items to questioning self-identity, it emphasizes taking action to declutter. With a focus on addressing the negative impacts of hoarding on well-being, the podcast advocates for immediate steps towards organization and change.

Apr 12, 2024 • 49min
#135 Don't know where to start? 31 things you can dehoard today
This podcast provides 31 practical tasks to tackle hoarding, including discarding old magazines and newspapers, evaluating outdated electronic devices, matching Tupperware lids, and disposing of expired medication. It also suggests decluttering food, books, pens, single socks, old calendars, dead batteries, and promotional items. Tips include unsubscribing from emails, evaluating sentimental items, and setting up a monthly Zoom call for accountability.

Apr 5, 2024 • 1h 8min
#134 What therapists and mental health professionals need to know about working with hoarders, with Dr Jan Eppingstall
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Today with Dr Jan Eppingstall, I look at the nuanced approaches needed for effectively supporting people with hoarding disorder. Jan provides valuable insights for therapists, emphasising the importance of curiosity, collaboration, and empathy in therapeutic sessions. The episode explores evidence-based interventions, the significance of exposure therapy, and the challenges counsellors may face when working with hoarding clients. Additionally, practical tips for building trust and understanding the unique needs of hoarders are shared. Listen for the tools you need to make a meaningful difference in the lives of your clients.
Therapeutic Approach to Hoarding Disorder
Importance of Collaboration in Therapy
Hands-On Support and In-Home Visits
Exposure Therapy
Patience, Empathy, and Understanding in Therapy
Different Modes of Therapy (CBT, ACT, Person-Centred Therapy)
Education and Support for Mental Health Professionals
Minimal Education on Hoarding Disorder in Clinical Psychology Programs
Building Expertise in Hoarding Disorder
Seeking Supervision
Need for an Eclectic Approach in Therapy
Values Clarification, Problem Solving
Challenges for Therapists
Generalist vs. Specialist Counsellors
Addressing Co-Occurring Mental Health Issues
Impact of Hoarding on Other Mental Health Issues
Preparedness of Therapists to Deal with Hoarding
Effective Therapies (Exposure Therapy, Cognitive Techniques)
Collaboration with Professional Organizers
Building Trust with Clients
Generalist counsellors deal with common mental health issues.
Open dialogue and willingness to share knowledge.
Understanding clients holistically
Struggles with hoarding and perfectionism in therapy.
Assisting clients with letting go of possessions.
Exposure technique for easing attachment to possessions.
Tiny habits
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Mar 29, 2024 • 20min
#133 What to prioritise when you can only do the absolute basics
Podcast explores prioritizing tasks in hoarding situations with limited energy. Tips include setting tiny achievable goals, adjusting expectations, and focusing on safety. Strategies for making tasks more manageable and finding motivation. Chapters cover CBT affordability, managing clutter, overcoming challenges with low energy, and unexpected insights.

Mar 22, 2024 • 40min
#132 How to dehoard when you’re really, really busy: tackling clutter in tiny time slots
Learn how to dehoard when you're busy with practical tips like making lists for short intervals, setting achievable goals, and seeking help. Discover the power of productive procrastination, saying no to new items, gamifying decluttering, and tracking time for efficiency. Prioritize, understand motivations, and rest while decluttering to maintain progress and motivation.

Mar 15, 2024 • 54min
#131 Compassionate productivity with Meg Kissack of the Daily Pep: Challenging the Cult of Productivity, Rethinking Self-Care and Embracing Vulnerability
Meg Kissack discusses compassionate productivity, challenging traditional advice, valuing rest, and redefining self-care. Emphasizing emotional well-being, personal growth, and resisting marketing tactics, the conversation advocates for embracing vulnerability, making tasks fun, and fostering genuine connections.

Mar 8, 2024 • 43min
#130 Loneliness and hoarding with Vassia Sarantopoulou: build human connections and combat hoarding-related shame
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Today, I look at the link between loneliness and hoarding behaviour with special guest Vassia Sarantopoulou, an expert psychologist and relationship counsellor. Come on a thought-provoking journey as Vassia and I discuss the complexities of loneliness, and practical steps for combating the shame associated with hoarding. There's the deep impact of societal expectations on emotional expression and emphasise the importance of forming genuine human connections for those affected by hoarding.
From identifying warning signs of loneliness to exploring the link between trauma, grief, and hoarding, this episode offers insights into the struggles faced by individuals dealing with compulsive hoarding and the loneliness that often accompanies it.
Vassia shares effective strategies for overcoming loneliness, reaching out for support, and finding ways to rebuild connections when you hoard.
This episode is a candid and compassionate exploration of the intersection between loneliness and hoarding, offering support for those seeking to break the cycle.
Loneliness and Its Impact
Stigma and Misconceptions Surrounding Loneliness
Two Layers of Loneliness: Normal Feeling vs. Deeper Sense of Loneliness
Common Causes of Loneliness
Overcoming the Fear of Rejection and Making New Friends
Difficulties in Discussing Personal Struggles with Friends
Importance of Creating Safe Spaces for Discussing Grief and Negative Emotions
Combatting Shame and Overcoming Self-Judgment
Steps to Combat Shame Associated with Hoarding Behaviour
Impact of Societal Expectations on Emotional Expression
Building Human Connections and Combatting Feelings of Shame Associated with Hoarding Behaviour
Practical Steps to Build Human Connections and Combat Feelings of Shame Associated with Hoarding Behaviour
Addressing Shame and Overcoming Self-Imposed Judgment Related to Hoarding
Gradual Approach to Disclosing Hoarding in Relationships
Practical Advice and Resources
Purpose of Social Activities: Engaging in Activities to Reduce Pressure and Stress
Building Relationships and Disclosing Hoarding: Choosing the Right Moment and Managing Expectations
Taking a Gradual Approach to Disclosing Hoarding in Relationships
Impact of Hoarding Symptoms on Loneliness
Warning Signs of Loneliness and Isolation
Mental and Physical Health Effects of Loneliness
Seeking Harmful or Unhealthy Relationships Due to Loneliness
The Contribution of Trauma, Grief, and Loss to Hoarding Behaviour and Loneliness
Dual layers of loneliness lead to isolation.
Loneliness stems from disconnecting from ourselves.
Impact of loneliness mental and physical health.
Loneliness and trauma can lead to hoarding.
Reconnect with old friends, join social groups.
Healing involves selective sharing and seeking help.
Guide, allow time, ask, express, connect authentically.
Layered loneliness: valuing connections, deeper isolation, worthiness doubts, fear, rationalisation.
Relying solely on objects for emotional needs
Neglecting physical appearance
Changes in sleep
Loss of interest in activities
Hopelessness or helplessness.
Traumatic experiences can lead to hoarding and social isolation as a protective mechanism.
People in healing choose carefully who to share with
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