
Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'
"Naylor's natter...just talking to teachers"
Naylor's Natter is the brainchild of Phil Naylor , created initially to share musings on evidence, research and CPD. The podcast has grown significantly since its first episode in early 2019 and is now proudly independent. We have no sponsorship or affiliation.
As the podcast has evolved so has its reach, we feel passionately about diversity of opinion and representation of our profession. To ensure we better reflect teaching , we are now proud to add more hosts to the podcast. Opinions are guests and hosts alone.
Latest episodes

Oct 2, 2020 • 27min
Supporting Staff Mental Health in Your School- Amy Sayer with Jo Jukes
About Amy
Amy Sayer has been a secondary school teacher for the past 12
years. She has completed her NPQSL qualification on supporting
disadvantaged students in her school.
She is a trained Mental
Health First Aider and has previously been her school’s mental health and wellbeing lead, helping them to achieve the prestigious Carnegie Centre of Excellence in Mental Health Award in 2019.
She has also led a roundtable discussion at the Annual Mental Health Conference run by Leeds Beckett University.
Amy has recently had articles published in Teach Secondary, SecEd and Tes. These have been of a range of issues from supporting student mental health, discussions about staff mental health and supporting students with Asperger’s Syndrome.
Supporting Staff Mental Health in Your School-
This is an accessible guide for schools explaining how to implement effective techniques to improve staff mental health. Drawing on case studies from years of experience supporting staff mental health, Amy Sayer introduces inexpensive, practical and realistic strategies that schools can implement to ensure the mental wellbeing of teaching staff.
This book provides steps to ensure that self-care and family time do not slip under the radar in the face of increasing pressure and limited resources. From providing adequate staff room facilities to ensuring that teachers can set clear boundaries around weekends and break times, these ideas create and foster a culture of openness around mental health and help teachers to re-discover their love of teaching.
Available here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Supporting-Staff-Mental-Health-School/dp/1787754634/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=amy+sayer&qid=1600438888&sr=8-1

Sep 25, 2020 • 55min
The return of the Strickomaster with Emma Turner - Education Exposed 2
.Education Exposed 2 follows on from Sam Strickland's first book, Education Exposed. The book is a pacy, punchy and forthright critique of how to drive the curriculum, behaviour and teaching within a school and the pivotal role that leadership plays in pursuing the halcyon dream. The book is neatly laid out, with each chapter identifying common curricular misconceptions, posing lots of key questions to consider and offering multiple practical ideas that you can take away. Every chapter ends with five key takeaway points for you to carefully consider.
The books neatly interplays theory, research, Sam's expertise and experience coupled with a practical and real-world approach. The first section of the book champions the importance of the curriculum and knowledge. The second section examines behaviour and how this can be driven by senior leaders coupled routine driven approach to learning. This section also takes you through a series of curriculum tools and teaching approaches that will assist you in thinking about how to implement and drive the curriculum. The third section of the book examines leadership; how leaders can champion the teacher as the expert and how a school culture can be supported and monitored carefully.
Education Exposed 2 is relevant for anyone working in a school, irrespective of their position or role. It is designed to be an accessible, versatile and quick read. Equally, it can be used as a dip-in and dip-out guide. Multiple practical approaches and strategies are offered as key take-away points.
Book available here:
https://www.johncattbookshop.com/titles/education-exposed-leading-a-school-in-a-time-of-uncertainty
TDT Section
Michelle interviews David about appraisal and the evidence base for performance management
https://tdtrust.org/

Sep 18, 2020 • 46min
Elizabeth Bowling on writing across the curriculum with Nimish Lad
Elisabeth Bowling is Assistant Principal and Head of English at Hethersett Academy, Norwich. She studied English literature and language at the University of Oxford and started teaching English as a foreign language in academies in Spain, before teaching in secondary schools in London and Norwich. As part of her Master’s degree, she focused on literacy and oracy and now writes about education at https://medium.com/@awildsurmise.
She has spoken at Team English National Conference 2019 and at the Inspiration Trust’s English Symposium. She tweets about education, books, and occasionally her cat Chekhov.
@elucymay
https://medium.com/@awildsurmise

Sep 11, 2020 • 1h 2min
Running the Room with Tom Bennett
About Tom
Tom Bennett was a teacher in the East End of London for thirteen years.
Currently he is the Director and founder of researchED, a grass-roots, teacher-led project that aims to make teachers research-literate and pseudo-science proof.
Since 2013 researchED has grown from a tweet to an international conference movement that so far has spanned three continents and six countries.
In 2009 he was made a Teacher Fellow of Corpus Christi College, Cambridge University. From 2008-2016 he wrote a weekly column for the TES and TES online, and is the author of four books on teacher-training, behaviour management and educational research. In 2015 he was long listed for the GEMS Global Teacher Prize, and in that year was listed as one of the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Educational Bloggers
In March 2017, Tom published an independent review of behaviour in schools. He recently chaired the Behaviour Management Group for the DfE and is currently their Independent Behaviour Advisor. He coaches teachers and schools internationally in all aspects of behaviour management and research integration. He currently leads the Department for Education’s Behaviour Hubs project, a £10 million program designed to reboot behaviour skills in disadvantaged schools throughout the UK.
About Running the Room
Good behaviour is the beginning of great learning. All children deserve classrooms that are calm, safe spaces where everyone is treated with dignity.
Creating that space is one of the most important things a teacher needs to be able to do. But all too often teachers begin their careers with the bare minimum of training - or worse, none.
How students behave, socially and academically, dictates whether or not they will succeed or struggle in school. Every child comes to the classroom with different skills, habits, values and expectations of what to do. There's no point just telling a child to behave; behaviour must be taught.
Behaviour is a curriculum. This simple truth is the beginning of creating a classroom culture where everyone flourishes: pupils and staff.
Running the Room is the teacher's guide to behaviour. Practical, evidence-informed, and based on the expertise of great teachers from around the world, it addresses the things teachers really need to know to build the classrooms children need.
Bursting with strategies, tips and solid advice, it brings together the best of what we know and saves teachers, new or old, from reinventing the wheels of the classroom. It's the book teachers have been waiting for.
Buy here:
https://www.johncattbookshop.com/running-the-room-the-teacher-s-guide-to-behaviour-2932
Tom and Tom Sherrington:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVwGSxlC4bY
TDT Section
https://tdtrust.org/uob-online-ma
Maria and Bethan are in discussion about the new TDT Masters , click the link above to find out more.

Sep 4, 2020 • 1h 2min
Teaching Rebooted- Jon Tait @teamtait with Bernie Kaye
About Jon
Jon is an experienced senior leader and current deputy headteacher working in a large and diverse secondary school in Middlesbrough. As a classroom teacher he has experience of working in 3 different North East schools for over 15 years.
Trained as a Physical Education teacher, Jon taught both boys and girls PE for over 10 years as well as more recently teaching Computer Science. Jon is an expert in teaching and learning and is responsible for the strategic leadership of the quality of teaching in his school.
Jon has also been recognised by Microsoft as one of their Microsoft Innovative Educator Experts and forms part of their global educator visionary team, showcasing how technology can pave the way to better student outcomes.
Jon regularly writes for his own education blog on topics about strategic school leadership and classroom pedagogy. He also is a regular education blogger for various UK education websites and contributes regular thoughts and think pieces on topical matters across the education landscape.
Jon is also a published author for Bloomsbury Publishing – ‘100 Ideas on Engaging Learners’ (published August 2017) and ‘Senior Leadership’ for the Bloomsbury CPD Library (due to be published summer 2018).
This weeks book
Teaching Rebooted uncovers the most important pieces of educational research on the science of learning, helping teachers to understand how we learn and retain information. Jon Tait explores strategies such as metacognition, interleaving, dual coding and retrieval practice, examining the evidence behind each approach and providing practical ideas to embed them in classroom practice. This pick-up-and-go manual highlights some of the classroom fads that have come and gone to allow readers to reflect on their practice and decision-making. It offers practical tips to help teachers change what they are doing in the classroom straightaway, bridging the gap between academic research and day-to-day practice for teachers at any stage of their career. Written by an experienced senior leader responsible for teaching and learning, school improvement, professional development and educational research, this guide will help reboot teaching so it is both evidence informed and effective.
TDT section
We have Michelle in conversation with Kathryn Morgan on collaboration and they kick off this weeks show
Next week:
Running the Room with Tom Bennett

Aug 28, 2020 • 56min
Educating with Purpose with Stephen Tierney @leadinglearner
In this week's interview, Phil is in conversation with Stephen Tierney @leadinglearner about his new John Catt book 'Educating with Purpose'
About the book:
The past decade in education focused on what works. The decade ahead must focus on what matters. In his second book, Stephen Tierney argues that it is time for the purpose of education to move to the centre of the debate.
Why we educate is a question from which all else evolves. A question for all times, it will resonate deeply with those who have experienced the Great Pause caused by the global pandemic in 2020. And it is a question that we need to answer, because that purpose will determine what schools and the education system as a whole will do next.
Proposing that the telos of education must be a life well-lived, Tierney argues for a re-purposing of education. He provides the theory of four philosophies of education - personal empowerment, cultural transmission, preparation for work and preparation for citizenship - alongside a powerful critique that challenges the current orthodoxy.
Available here:
https://www.johncattbookshop.com/educating-with-purpose-the-heart-of-what-matters
About Stephen:
Until recently I was CEO of the Blessed Edward Bamber Catholic Multi Academy Trust. A trust in Blackpool including Christ the King and St. Cuthbert’s Catholic Acadamies – primary schools – and St. Mary’s Catholic Academy is an 11-18 school. I chair the Headteachers’ Roundtable Group.
My first and probably only book is titled Liminal Leadership and is available via John Catt Ltd or Amazon. Liminal Leadership is based on my reflections of thirty years of leading and learning; it is written for teachers and leaders who want to reflect on their current or future practice.
In September 2013, I became Executive Headteacher of St. Mary’s Catholic College and Christ the King Catholic Primary School. These two Blackpool school’s first hard federated in January 2009. Previously I had been the headteacher of St. Mary’s Catholic College from September 2000 and thirteen years of headship have been a real rollercoaster of a journey. St. Mary’s is a hugely exciting place to work. We know we need to go the extra mile with our students, staff’s generosity and willingness to work with and for students whilst supporting each other adds to the wonderful ethos that permeates the school. Whilst at St. Mary’s I was very involved with the Specialist Schools & Academies Trust.
Prior to headship I was Deputy Headteacher at Our Lady’s Catholic High School, Lancaster and Head of Science at De La Salle in St. Helen’s. My career started in Blackburn at Notre Dame Catholic High School in September 1988 with the school amalgamating the following year to form Our Lady & St. John’s Catholic High School.
I am fascinated by leadership, learning, pedagogy and the curriculum and these elements have been intertwined throughout my professional life so far.
TDT section
This week Michelle is in conversation withBethan on CPD Leadership in 2020/21. This is a very important topic as we return to school next week.
Next week- John Tait with Bernie Kaye

Aug 21, 2020 • 1h 57min
Toria Bono on TVT with Abby Bayford and Kat Howard and Claire Hill on their book Symbiosis with Jo Jukes
‘Empowering Tiny Voices’ with Torio Bono
In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews
Toria Bono about Tiny Voice Tuesday Unites: a Twitter community established by Toria to help
educators be heard from around the world. Toria also discusses the importance of growing our
professional learning network; helping people find their voice and her commitment to equity,
inclusion and diversity.
Our TDT section sees Michelle Barker, Communication and Network Lead, talk to Bethan Hindley,
Training Programme Lead, about utilising lockdown CPD and leadership of CPD.
About Toria
https://www.toriabono.com/
Toria’s hashtags:
#BrewEdFindYourVoice will be a day filled with inspirational presentations and fabulous discussions
that will get you ready for the coming year.
What is it? #BrewEdFindYourVoice
When is it? Saturday 29th August
How do you access it? Click on Toria’s pinned tweet – @toriaclaire – at 9am that day.
We also have Jo Jukes interviewing Kat and Claire on their John Catt book 'Symbiosis'
When the teaching profession places the curriculum at the heart of what it does, transformative change can take place. Curriculum reform is now at the forefront of every school agenda; in spite of this, there is a danger that its message may become lost in translation. When curricular change is poorly implemented, teachers experience a complete detachment from their sense of purpose, autonomy, and capacity to become curriculum designers of the future.
Employing an astute blend of theory and practice, Claire Hill and Kat Howard offer a methodical approach to designing and delivering a curriculum, to ensure that all feel part of a collective curricular journey. At a time when work on the curriculum can be politicised, monetised and overcomplicated, Symbiosis: The Curriculum and the Classroom provides a series of practical strategies for curriculum designers at every level, in order to not only keep and develop the skilled and professional teachers desperately needed in schools, but also to provide a world-class curriculum to students.
Available here:
https://www.johncattbookshop.com/symbiosis-the-curriculum-and-the-classroom
Next week- Stephen Tierney on Educating with purpose

Aug 14, 2020 • 1h 46min
Richard Gerver interviewed by Emma Turner plus Neil Reynolds with Phil Naylor
Richard Gerver has been described as one of the most inspirational leaders of his generation. He is an award-winning speaker, bestselling author and world-renowned thinker.
Richard began his career in education, most notably as headmaster of the failing Grange Primary School. In just two years, he famously transformed the school into one of the most acclaimed learning environments in the world. He was celebrated by UNESCO and the UK Government for its incredible turnaround.
Richard has since transitioned to the global stage where he uses his trademark humour and natural style to deliver passionate, provocative and authentic speeches. He draws upon the first-hand experiences and unique insights garnered from frontline education to explore the links between great leadership, human potential, change and innovation. His ability to connect experiences across many seemingly different environments helps people to expand their thinking and perception of potential. It is this authenticity and uniqueness which has helped Richard win him global acclaim and invitations to speak on the most recognised stages, including TED, the RSA and BBC radio.
Richard is also a bestselling author. His first book, Creating Tomorrow’s Schools Today (now in its second edition), has become a seminal text around the world for those engaged in the transformation of education. His other books are explorations of human potential, leadership and success. In Change and Simple Thinking, Richard explores the world beyond school, through the eyes of an educator. Both have received critical and public success; both achieving global bestseller status. All his books have been translated into a multitude of languages including Spanish, Chinese and Korean. Richard's latest book, Education: A Manifesto for Change, explores how our school system can be made fit for purpose in our turbulent 21st-century world.
Most importantly, Richard is always humbled to be able to share his lifelong commitment to living, learning and laughing.
Neil Reynolds is the Headteacher at South Shore Academy in Blackpool. He has led the school on an incredible Journey since becoming Headteacher . He is also the First Team manager at FC United of Manchester . He has a UEFA B coaching badge . This conversation is about leadership, inspiring people and working with high performing teams. This interview was recorded in May of 2020.

Aug 7, 2020 • 33min
Nimish Lad with Flávia Belham -Chief Scientist @SenecaLearn
This week sees the addition of Nimish Lad to the Naylor’s Natter team. Nimish is Vice Principal for Curriculum and Assessment at Wrenn school in Wellingborough. He is also a teacher of science and enjoys engaging with educational research. Nimish is interviewing Dr Flavia Belham. Flavia is chief scientific officer for Seneca Learn, a social enterprise that provides free online learning resources for students created with the aid of cognitive science. As part of her role, Flavia has attended schools to present of how cognitive science can be applied within the classroom. She has also presented at researchED on why students don’t use effective learning strategies, which is the focus of this podcast.

Jul 31, 2020 • 1h 10min
Botheredness and much more- Abby Bayford interviews Hywel Roberts
.Botherdness’ with Hywel Roberts….listed out for our competition to win a copy of Hywel’s book ‘Oops! Helping children learn accidentally.’
In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews Hywel and asks him what he means by the neologism ‘botherdness.’ He discusses the importance of serving a warm curriculum by cultivating a ‘botherdness’ that leaves children and young people eager for more. Hywel also talks about his own experience as an early career teacher and offers the Naylors Natter listeners the opportunity to win a copy of his book ‘Oops’ by posting advice to their NQT self beneath the podcast Twitter post, using the #NQTLetter. The winner will be selected at random at the beginning of September.
Our TDT section sees Bethan and David talk about online learning, what's new and what's here to stay.
About Hywel
https://www.independentthinking.co.uk/associates/hywel-roberts/
https://www.createlearninspire.co.uk/about-creative-learn-inspire/#:~:text=Create%20Learn%20Inspire%20is%20the%20online%20home%20of,the%20world%2C%20via%20an%20array%20of%20educational%20organisations.
About the Academy Transformation Trust Institute
https://www.academytransformationtrust.co.uk/institute/att-institute-welcome/
The ATT Institute will officially launch in September. Join the Teacher Development Trust online on Thursday 24th September 2020 7-9pm who are hosting the ATT Institute launch and hear from experts Kathryn Morgan, Sir David Carter, Sam Twiselton OBE, David Weston and Naureen Khalid on the art of leadership, evidence-informed development, community and much more.
Register via this link: https://t.co/4a9CpvAW8a?amp=1