
Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'
"Naylor's natter...just talking to teachers"
Naylor's Natter is the brainchild of Phil Naylor , created initially to share musings on evidence, research and CPD. The podcast has grown significantly since its first episode in early 2019 and is now proudly independent. We have no sponsorship or affiliation.
As the podcast has evolved so has its reach, we feel passionately about diversity of opinion and representation of our profession. To ensure we better reflect teaching , we are now proud to add more hosts to the podcast. Opinions are guests and hosts alone.
Latest episodes

Dec 11, 2020 • 1h 14min
Retrieval Practice 2: Implementing, embedding & reflecting with Kate Jones
The research supporting retrieval practice is overwhelming; it is an effective and essential teaching and learning strategy. Leaders, teachers, students and parents all need to know about this strategy and how it can enhance learning. Retrieval practice is being widely used across schools and the research continues to shape classroom practice.
After the success of Retrieval Practice: Research & Resources for every classroom, Kate Jones, an evidence-informed teacher and leader, takes the discussion further, going beyond the background, basics, and benefits of this strategy.
This book focuses on the effective implementation of retrieval practice to support both teachers and leaders to ensure retrieval practice becomes firmly embedded in classroom routines. There are contributions from leading academics and a range of subject specialists reflecting, offering their wisdom and expertise as to how retrieval practice can be utilised to have a positive impact in the classroom and on outcomes.
From the latest research to addressing common mistakes and tackling retrieval practice during a global pandemic, Retrieval Practice: Implementing, embedding & reflecting takes a fresh and in-depth look at this tried and tested technique.
Pre-order here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retrieval-Practice-Implementing-embedding-reflecting/dp/191362241X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1607539111&refinements=p_27%3AKate+Jones&s=books&sr=1-1

Dec 4, 2020 • 1h 34min
The Leadership Factor with Drew Povey
Some leaders just have ‘it’. They walk into a room and you know that they are in charge. But how?
What sort of person is so inspirational, that even when the chips are down they make their team feel like the strongest warriors, ready and willing to march over the hill into battle?
Every successful CEO, world-beating sports captain and inspirational teacher exhibits the same characteristics: the 7Cs that together create the Leadership `it’ Factor; Curiosity, Change-ability, Charisma, Connection, Confidence, Collaboration and Courage. Taking each attribute in turn, Drew explains its necessity, and then guides the reader with steps and exercises on how to master it. With countless concise case studies from the world of business, education and global politics – some famous; some not so famous; many notorious – Drew draws lessons, guides development and paves the path to great leadership.
Drew's website:
https://drewpovey.co.uk/books/
We also have our regular TDT section and this week we have a segment on healthy schools

Nov 27, 2020 • 1h 49min
Emma Cate on being a KS1 Phase Lead. Early Reading, Early Maths and the role of a Research Lead.
.This weeks edition of Naylors Natter sees Nimish Lad interview Emma Cate, part of the T&L and Curriculum team, as well as the Research Lead and Key Stage One Phase Lead at Ore Village Primary Academy . Emma has a passion for teaching Maths, Early reading, and traditional teaching methods in EYFS, is a prolific blogger and runs TheSafeSpace. She is well known online for her knowledge rich Art curriculum blog. In this episode, Emma and Nimish discuss the importance of explicit teacher in the early learning of pupils.
We also have our regular TDT and #teacher5aday section

Nov 20, 2020 • 1h 52min
Motivated Teaching with Peps McCrea
Motivated Teaching’ with Peps Mccrea.
In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews Peps and asks him why motivation is important. Peps discusses the big levers we can pull to build motivation in our classrooms. Via Twitter listeners can also get involved in a conversation about motivation with Peps and colleagues by commenting what they find challenging about motivation beneath the Naylor’s Natter post.
About Peps Mccrea
You can follow Peps on Twitter. His Twitter handle is @PepsMccrea. You can find out more about Pep’s career, his work and the books he has written here: https://pepsmccrea.com/
About the Academy Transformation Trust Institute
https://www.academytransformationtrust.co.uk/institute/att-institute-welcome/
You can also read more about ATT Institute’s people development curriculum in SecEd: https://www.sec-ed.co.uk/best-practice/creating-a-shared-culture-of-professional-learning-across-a-multi-academy-cpd-teacher-development-trust
The Academy Transformation Trust is also curating a blog series titled ‘A Letter to my NQT Self’ through which educators reflect on their NQT year and offer advice to their NQT self. The purpose is to offer practical advice, reassurance and celebrate the teaching profession amongst NQTs. Follow the hashtag #NQTLetter and click on the link to read and engage: https://www.academytransformationtrust.co.uk/institute/a-letter-to-my-nqt-self-blog/
We also have our regular TDT input as well as our #teacher5aday regular section

Nov 13, 2020 • 1h 57min
Preserving positivity with Teacher Wellbeing and Self-care- Haili Hughes, Dr Emma Kell and Adrian Bethune
Haili Hughes on Preserving Positivity
Thousands of amazing, experienced teachers are choosing to leave the profession, depriving generations of students of their passion and expertise.
But it doesn't need to be this way. Preserving Positivity explores the reasons why people are choosing to leave the classroom and draws on the voices of other experienced teachers who tell us how they turned their careers around and give practical, adaptable strategies that will help you reignite your passion for teaching and bring the positivity back into your classroom.
Dr Emma Kell and Adrian Bethune on Teacher Wellbeing and Self-Care
Teachers can’t teach effectively if they’re demotivated and exhausted; and they shouldn’t they have to! A Little Guide for Teachers: Teacher Wellbeing and Self-Care explains how wellbeing is essential to effective teaching, and gives teachers practical tools to take back control of the classroom.
The Little Guide for Teachers series is little in size but BIG on all the support and inspiration you need to navigate your day to day life as a teacher.
· Authored by experts in the field
· Easy to dip in-and-out of
· Interactive activities encourage you to write into the book and make it your own
· Fun engaging illustrations throughout
· Read in an afternoon or take as long as you like with it!
Sue Roffey on #teacher5aday

Nov 6, 2020 • 2h 27min
Zoe Enser and Jenny Webb with Kat Howard.
Zoe Enser
I'm an experienced educational professional who has worked across the state sector for over 20 years. Specialisms in English Language, Literature, Media, Film and literacy across the curriculum. Also middle leadership, staff development and development of effective teaching and learning strategies across schools.
I am currently working as a Specialist Advisor for English across Kent. Not only do I offer support in curriculum design and English teaching, but also Middle Leadership, whole school pedagogy and curriculum development and topics such as working with disadvantaged students.
I also am an occasional writer for TES, Secondary Magazine and I blog at Teachreal.co.uk. I am also the co-author of the upcoming book Generative Learning in Action written with Mark Enser, and published in conjunction with Tom Sherrington, Oliver Caviglioli as part of the 'In Action' series. I have also written case studies for Michael Chiles book The Craft of Assessment, Jamie Thom's Quiet Teaching and Mark Enser's Teaching Like Nobody's Watching. I am currently working on a project around teacher development.
Commentating on what motivated her to write the book with her husband, Zoe says:
"I had been a long time follower of Tom Sherrington and had seen him discuss a range of topics at ResearchEd events as well as having read his books, so I was obviously intrigued when he approached me to see if we would be interested in writing a book for his ‘In Action’ series. I had been aware of Generative Learning for a few years and used some of the strategies in my own classroom, but it was only as I began to delve into the research behind the activities that I began to realise how powerful it could be. Of course, I was then keen to tell Tom we would be delighted to write the book."
Jenny Webb
I am a teacher, leader, author, blogger and speaker. I am currently Assistant Principal: Teaching, Learning and Staff Development at Co-op Academy Leeds, and have worked at a number of other schools in West Yorkshire, as a Head of English, an AST and a Lead Practitioner. I am the author of the best selling book, ‘How to Teach English Literature: Overcoming Cultural Poverty’ (2019) and ‘Teach Like a Writer’ (2020), both available on Amazon.
I deliver regular online CPD to hundreds of teachers every month and raise funds for a number of charities through ticket sales.
I am privileged to work with a highly talented and dynamic team, learning that leadership is hard but rewarding, and that mistakes are gold dust if you embrace them.
I’m mum to two beautiful little boys; the most important and challenging job and learning experience in the world!
I blog in order to develop myself, reflect on my experiences and share good practice.
Find me on Twitter: @FunkyPedagogy
Check out my CPD sessions on Eventbrite and on Vimeo.

Oct 30, 2020 • 1h 50min
Let's talk about Flex with Emma Turner and guests! Dr. Lucy Kelly in #teacher5aday and the return of the TDT with David Weston
The narrative around flexible working needs flipping. After being able to work flexibly for 14 of her 23 years in education across teaching, school leadership and MAT leadership roles, Emma Turner realised that sadly, she's actually in the minority and has just been kinda lucky.
Across the education system, although there is a recent groundswell of support for developing more life-friendly, innovative and flexi ways of working, there are still a great deal of misconceptions, biases and prejudices about flexible working and flexible workers.
Through her 'playlist' of educational floor fillers, Emma explores some of the successful ways in which flexible working can be viewed by both employers and employees for staff at all levels, including senior and school leadership.
Designed to open up the flexible working conversation, this book outlines what can work, what has worked and what could work. This new way of viewing the flexi narrative from an experienced flex-pert encourages all to revisit our views on flexible working.
Dr Lucy Kelly with Martyn Reah
After the success of the previous seven #teacher5aday #slowchats we return during October half term 2020 to plan for national #teacher5aday week in December and celebrate how we survived the most challenging half term so far.
The daily chats will be the starting point for our week of wellbeing that we think will be so needed as we approach Christmas this year. Each host will share one of the elements of #teacher5aday along with their views of how to incorporate some ideas into you personal wellbeing survival pack. The New Economics Foundation have shated their ideas about Mental Health and Hope during Covid 19 https://neweconomics.org/2020/10/mental-health-and-hope which has provided some inspiration for this version of slowchat.
For those of you who remember #PedagooHampshire I hope national #teacher5aday week this year will have a similar impact. A festival of happy and healthy teachers turning their learning into development with wellbeing and its heart.
Teacher Development Trust Section
https://tdtrust.org/collaborative-enquiry-training/

Oct 23, 2020 • 1h 41min
Success in Education: My Life as an Autistic Student’ with John Simpson and #Teacher5aday with Patrick Otley-O'Connor and Martyn Reah
.‘Success in Education: My Life as an Autistic Student’ with John Simpson
In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews John Simpson: trainer and founder of ‘Inspirational Autism.’ John draws on his experience of having Asperger’s and the impact that being undiagnosed at school had, offering our listeners a really rich insight into what we can do practically to support children and young people with autism. He also shares with the Naylor’s Natter listeners some of his proudest achievements to date.
About John
You can follow John on Twitter. His Twitter handle is @JohnSimpsonIAT and find out more about the training and consultancy service he offers through Inspirational Autism here: https://www.inspirationalautismtraining.com/
Some of the many ways John can offer to support schools and communities with their inclusive practice are:
1:1 consultation sessions for autistic people, families, and anyone else who'd be interested in his input
School visits through which he will look at the school day through the lens of a person with Autism to offer practical advice that will drive school’s inclusive practive.
Deliver keynotes and workshops.
About the Academy Transformation Trust Institute
To find out more about ATT’s Institute click on this link:
https://www.academytransformationtrust.co.uk/institute/att-institute-welcome/
You can also read more about ATT Institute’s people development curriculum in SecEd: https://www.sec-ed.co.uk/best-practice/creating-a-shared-culture-of-professional-learning-across-a-multi-academy-cpd-teacher-development-trust
The Academy Transformation Trust is also curating a blog series titled ‘A Letter to my NQT Self’ through which educators reflect back on their NQT year and offer advice to their NQT self. The purpose is to offer practical advice, reassurance and celebrate the teaching profession amongst NQTs. Follow the hashtag #NQTLetter and click on the link to read and engage: https://www.academytransformationtrust.co.uk/institute/a-letter-to-my-nqt-self-blog/
#teacher5aday has its weekly slot , this week sees Martyn Reah in conversation with Patrick Otley-O'Connor

Oct 16, 2020 • 1h 28min
How to Educate a Citizen with Professor E.D. Hirsch
About Professor ED Hirsch
He is professor emeritus of education and humanities at the University of Virginia. In the 1960s Hirsch's Validity in Interpretation made an important contribution to contemporary literary theory and established him as "the founder of contemporary intentionalism," defending the notion of objectivity in humanistic studies and distinguishing between the "meaning" of a text, which relates to understanding and does not change, and its "significance", which relates to explanation and changes over time. In popular culture Hirsch is best known for his work on cultural literacy, and is the founder and chairman of the Core Knowledge Foundation.
Beginning in 1990s, Hirsch began publishing books in the Core Knowledge Grader Series which the Foundation describes as "an engaging, illustrated guide to the essential knowledge outlined in the Core Knowledge Sequence" including information and activities for teachers, parents and children, as well as suggestions for related readings and resources. There are currently eight books in print, beginning with What Your Preschooler Needs to Know and ending with What Your Sixth Grader Needs to Know. The books have been particularly popular with parents who homeschool, as well as parents whose children attend Core Knowledge schools, and have been revised and updated over the years.
In How to Educate a Citizen, E.D. Hirsch continues the conversation he began thirty years ago with his classic bestseller Cultural Literacy, urging America’s public schools, particularly at the elementary level, to educate our children more effectively to help heal and preserve the nation. Since the 1960s, our schools have been relying on “child-centered learning.” History, geography, science, civics, and other essential knowledge have been dumbed down by vacuous learning “techniques” and “values-based” curricula; indoctrinated by graduate schools of education, administrators and educators have believed they are teaching reading and critical thinking skills. Yet these cannot be taught in the absence of strong content, Hirsch argues.
The consequence is a loss of shared knowledge that would enable us to work together, understand one another, and make coherent, informed decisions. A broken approach to school not only leaves our children under-prepared and erodes the American dream but also loosens the spiritual bonds and unity that hold the nation together. Drawing on early schoolmasters and educational reformers such as Noah Webster and Horace Mann, Hirsch charts the rise and fall of the American early education system and provides a blueprint for closing the national gap in knowledge, communications, and allegiance. Critical and compelling, How to Educate a Citizen galvanizes our schools to equip children with the power of shared knowledge.
Available here:
https://www.johncattbookshop.com/how-to-educate-a-citizen-the-power-of-shared-knowledge-to-unify-a-nation
#teacher5aday Martyn Reah is in conversation with Abigail Mann in our regular spotlight on wellbeing

Oct 9, 2020 • 55min
Back on Track with Mary Myatt
Mary Myatt is an education adviser, writer and speaker.
Mary trained as an RE teacher and has worked as a local authority adviser and inspector. She engages with pupils, teachers and leaders about learning, leadership and the curriculum.
Mary has written extensively about leadership, school improvement and the curriculum: ‘Back on Track’, ‘High Challenge, Low Threat’, ‘Hopeful Schools’ and ‘The Curriculum: Gallimaufry to Coherence’.
Mary has been a governor in three schools, and a trustee for a multi academy trust. She co-founded the RE Quality Mark, is chair of the board for the Centre for Education and Youth and a member of the curriculum advisory group for Oak National Academy.
The book:
There are a lot of redundant processes in schools. We need to take a hard look at these and consider whether they are adding value to the core purpose of schools.
We need to apply Greg McKeown's 'disciplined pursuit of less' in order to create the time and space to do deep, satisfying work on the curriculum.
This means that there will be some hard choices and recognise that if we cannot do everything, we need to move to a space which acknowledges there will be trade offs.
This is more than a workload issue, it is about focusing our efforts on the most important agenda item in schools today - the development of an ambitious curriculum for every child, in every school.
Available here:
https://www.johncattbookshop.com/back-on-track-fewer-things-greater-depth
TDT section
Bethan is in conversation about the new online CPD leadership course