Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'

This week we are treating you the listeners to another bumper double edition. We are delighted to have interviews with the authors of 2 new education books , namely Alex Quigley and Dr Catherine Lee . Alex is interviewed by Bernie Kaye, a fantastic new addition to our NN team , Bernie is an English teaching uber geek with a passion for cooking, reading and festival going. AHT - ITT, research & literacy. We have all our usual features including  our TDT section http://tdtrust.org/and Lockdown Learning.  About Alex I am National Content Manager at the EEF, supporting teachers to access research evidence. After over fifteen years in the classroom, I now support from outside the school gates. Closing the reading gap  So, what is the reading gap? It is a teacher knowledge gap, but more importantly, it is the gap that exists between reading access, reading practice and reading ability for the pupils in our schools. It marks out the ‘reading rich’ and the ‘reading poor’ populate all of our schools. The gap is writ large when we explore the evidence. Take reading access. Recent research from the National Literacy Trust shows that 1 in 11 children own a book of their own. A mere 1 in 8 disadvantaged children own a book. I think about the impact of those empty bookshelves (in all likelihood, there is no bookshelf at all) for pupils. Then when you explore school attainment, you can see the gap and the daily damage that is suffered by many pupils. When you consider that only 73% of pupils leaving primary school reached the expected level for reading in 2019, it is clear that many of those pupils will struggle to access the secondary school curriculum. I never expected two years ago that this book would be published during a global crisis that would see pupils impacted by school closures. When you wed closures to limited book access, limited teaching, along with limited support at home, the prospect for the reading gap is massively challenging. I hope that this book – and the free related resources – offer some useful guidance for teachers and schools during this challenging time. It should provide handy CPD, now and as schools bounce back to support our pupils. You can purchase the book from the following. Amazon link HERE You can find 5 free resources to go with the book on my RESOURCES page HERE. About Catherine UK Pride Power List 2019. Diva Award finalist 2020. Deputy Dean at Anglia Ruskin University. Courageous Leaders  We are all at our most effective when we can be ourselves at work, but more than half of LGBT teachers hide their sexual identity within their school workplace. For LGBT teachers, vigilance, concealment and assimilation, take a great deal of energy, on top of what is already a very demanding job. Through personal testimonies, advice and a rousing call to arms, this book shows how LGBT School Leaders are often amongst the most inclusive, creative, adaptable and intuitive colleagues, when they are able to flourish and be their authentic selves.  The book is available here: https://www.johncattbookshop.com/courage-in-the-classroom Coming Soon- John Tomsett and The Power of Culture by Michaela School   promo code of PSF40 for listeners to get 40% off Putting Staff First by John and Jonny Utley , our previous guest . 

A special double edition this week featuring Martyn and Molly . Martyn's natter is PRE lockdown (Feb half-term) and Molly's is a lockdown recording Martyn Reah : about Martyn in his own words:https://martynreah.wordpress.com/about/ After 20 years of working as a teacher I have decided to put pen to paper and record the things which interest me and hopefully others. Born in Chester and brought up in Sunderland I now call Petersfield home. After starting my career in the East Midlands promotion moved me north to Yorkshire. Family commitments dragged me kicking and screaming south to Hampshire where my four children keep me busy with some spare time available for enjoying sport. The natter: 1) journey to this point gentle intro - from 1994 and a roller chalk board to 2020 !  2) tell us about the origins of #teacher5aday and the need for the movement  3) could you take listeners through each of 5 areas ?  4) this year saw the first #teacher5aday week in December . Could you share with us some of the activities that took place and who was involved? 5) how could/should leaders involve #teacher5aday in their schools? 6) what is a slow chat and how can listeners get involved ?  7) what is the #pledge ?  8) you now have a steering group , who is involved and what is their remit ?  9) pedagoohampshire has been a big success for a few years now . Is it back again this year and who’s speaking?  10) are you still running every day? Some achievement!! 11) could you signpost listeners to your blog/website etc ? Molly: about Molly @Mimmer in her own words :https://mimmerr.co.uk/ Molly, 20-something Londoner, teacher. I write about fashion ethics, music, education, social inequality and TV. Press & business: Email: molly@mimmerr.co.uk  Twitter: @mimmerr. The natter: Music is a big part of my life and we have a weekly section (which you kindly contributed to last week) tell listeners who you think are worth the hype and does me liking arcade fire make me an ageing hipster ?Could you tell listeners about your folding paper project , what is your aim with this and how can listeners get involved ?   You are also posting about a daily writing challenge , what themes have you explored so far ?   You are also an accomplished interviewer and have interviewed some leaders in education . I particularly enjoyed talk to teachers :tiny voices and tiny voice Tuesday . How do you (and Toria) think we can improve edutwitter ?Teacher workload is a topic we have returned to many times on here . Shouts to Kat Howard and Martyn Reah who’ve done great work in this area . What do you think is causing teacher workload and what can we do ? Also do you think the current situation has created more unnecessary workload for staff ?   Where can listeners find out more ? Signpost to social media ( tumblr for example may be new to some ?) . TDT Section- Maria and Michelle on Needs Analysis Lockdown learning  Books- Robert Webb Music-Pole Film- The Astronaut John Catt- upcoming episodes featuring 'The Teaching Delusion' and 'Courage in the Classroom' available with #naylorsnatter discount here :https://www.johncattbookshop.com/ Next week- Alex Quigley 

This week sees a welcome return to the interviewers chair for Emma Turner . This week she is in conversation with Neil Gilbride and they are discussing all things leadership. This interview was recorded on 16th March in a pre-lockdown UK so please be aware of that when listening.  About Neil in his own words: I am currently a PhD student at the University of Bath, Lecturer in Education at the University of Gloucestershire and consultant with Neil Gilbride Consultancy. I have a unique, multi-sector experience as both a practitioner and researcher. I have over 12 years professional experience across the public, voluntary and private sectors as a teacher, researcher, middle leader, school social worker, carer, counsellor and governor.   My academic background is equally diverse – stretching from Biomedical Science, Special Educational Needs through to the Leadership Development and Organisational Behaviour. In working with individuals and organisations,  my multi-disciplinary background delivers new insights and fresh ways of thinking. Primarily, I am a psychologist. In my work, I apply the principles of psychology to leadership, people development, inclusion and organisational behaviour.  My cutting-edge research is looking at the role adult development plays in how leaders think, feel and behave. Please go to the ‘ego development‘ page to find out more. I am available for consultancy through my business, Neil Gilbride Consulting. Please do click here to see what I might have to offer you and your organisation. Lockdown Learning (previously Podcast Pedagogy) In music- Gerry Cinnamon's 'The Bonny' on Vinyl  Films on streaming - 'Trolls World Tour' Books- A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens Shameless Plugs from our partners and sponsors  TDT connectUp is a great resource with some amazing speakers - http://tdtrust.org/cpdconnectup John Catt bookshop has some amazing new titles in stock and #naylorsnatter mentions in a tweet will unlock your discount code  https://www.johncattbookshop.com/ ResearchEd Home is the place to be at 11am if you can get on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1awWjuY1Jb4 As ever , if you would like to be part of the show as a lockdown learner or as a guest , please get in touch via our website www.naylorsnatter.co.uk or email p3nay91@gmail.com  See you next week! Phil 

This week I am back in the interviewers chair to have a natter with 2 titans of education namely: Paul A. Kirschner is Emeritus Professor of Educational Psychology at the Open University of the Netherlands as well as Guest Professor at the Thomas More University of Applied Science in Belgium. Carl Hendrick teaches at Wellington College, UK, and holds a PhD in Education from King’s College London. We are discussing their new book 'How Learning Happens- Seminal Works in Educational Psychology and what they mean in practice' . Here is Carl's introduction to the book:   "Almost two years ago, I was asked by Professor Paul Kirschner to write a book with him. The original title was ‘Standing on the Shoulders of Giants’ and the basic premise was to discuss what we felt were the foundational works in education psychology and present them to educators in a way that would hopefully inform their practice. To be asked by someone of Paul’s stature was a huge honour for me and I really enjoyed reading through almost 100 years of the best evidence on learning and the weekly meetings over Skype talking about the book (and football). The chapters are divided into six sections. In the first section we describe how our brains work and what that means for learning and teaching. This is followed by sections on the prerequisites for learning, how learning can be supported, teacher activities, and learning in context. When we got near the end of the book we thought it would be good to provide some cautionary tales so in the final section we discuss what can only be described as educational Novichok in a chapter called ‘The Seven Deadly Sins of Education’ which you can download for free here." It comes highly recommended! “So often I’ve been asked to recommend a starting text for educators interested in the workings of the mind―now I have one. The text Kirschner and Hendrick offer alongside each seminal article does a wonderful job of situating the content in the broader scientific context, and in the classroom.” – Daniel Willingham, Professor of Psychology and Director of Graduate Studies, University of Virginia “As the volume of research into psychology and education grows, it becomes ever harder for researchers, let alone teachers, to keep up with the latest findings. Moreover, striking results often turn out to be difficult, or impossible to replicate. What teachers need, therefore, is good guidance about research that has stood the test of time, and practical guidance about how these well-established findings might be used to inform teaching practice, and this is why this is such an extraordinary, wonderful and important book. Paul Kirschner and Carl Hendrick have selected the most important research publications in the psychology of education, and, for each publication, they have provided a summary of the research, the main conclusions, and a series of practical suggestions for how the findings might inform teaching practice. I know of no other book that provides such a rigorous, accessible and practical summary of the last fifty years of research in educational psychology, and anyone who wants to understand how research can improve teaching needs to read this book. Highly recommended.” – Dylan Wiliam, Emeritus Professor of Educational Assessment, University College London We also have Podcast pedagogy with The Strokes, Tiger King and Ulysses!

Welcome to this week's Naylor's Natter, hopefully capturing the Zeitgeist of the continuing school 'closures' and lockdown. This script is being written over lunch during one of my days in school , can I add my thanks to all teaching colleagues going over and above throughout the world.  On this weeks natter , we have the marvellous Kathryn Morgan again in the interviewers chair. Kathryn is nattering with Sir David Carter. Sir David is a former National Schools Commissioner, the first Regional Schools Commissioner for the South West and before that had taught Music in Comprehensive Schools across the country since he started teaching in September 1983. He received a Knighthood for services to education in the Queen's birthday honours in 2013. TDT Section We have Michelle and Bethan discussing online facilitation in our regular TDT section . This is of course very prescient and topical at the moment  PodcastPedagogy In television from streaming services during lockdown we have Lucy Flower @MrsLFlower https://thehappyleader.wordpress.com/ on Waterloo Road and the genius of Hey Dugee .In music we have Molly @mimmer https://mimmerr.co.uk/ on Tame Impalla and in books its me on Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Shameless plugs  A plug for ResearchEd Home which is a fabulous idea , coming to a device near you from 20/4 . This will be starting with the superb Daniel Willingham and will also feature our very own (well sort of) Simon Cox . Stay indoors , keep positive and see you next week!

Update - promo code of PSF40 for listeners to get 40% off Putting Staff First. Visit https://www.johncattbookshop.com/titles In this weeks natter , Kathryn is in conversation with Jonny on leadership and how it is vital at times like this. Podcast Pedagogy Music- 'Mixing Colours' - Roger Eno and Brian Eno Books- 'A Clergyman's Daughter' by George Orwell Streaming Services- 'Sunderland 'till I die' and The Body Coach Next week Sir David Carter  Stay in and stay safe everyone . Massive thank you to all educators, continuing to safeguard, provide and care for our pupils! #proudtoteach  www.naylorsnatter.co.uk

*******This week's interview was recorded some weeks ago so please bear that in mind when listening******* This week I am in conversation with Daisy Christodoulou . Daisy is  the Director of Education at No More Marking, a provider of online Comparative Judgement software for schools. Comparative Judgement is an innovative, reliable and quick way to assess essays. You can find out more about how it works on the No More Marking website. Before joining No More Marking, Daisy was Head of Assessment at Ark Schools, a group of academy schools in the UK, and before that, I was a secondary English teacher in London. Daisy has  written three books about education, Seven Myths about Education, Making Good Progress, and Teachers vs Tech. Find out more about them here. You can read more about Daisy in this profile from Schools Week and this one from the Guardian. You can contact Daisy via Twitter @daisychristo. We discuss: ch 1 - why hasn't ed tech succeeded in the way we would have liked in the past? * ch 2 - personalised learning - is this a good thing? * Ch 4 - what is flipped learning, should we all be doing it, if so why not? * ch 5 - what are the ups and downs of using devices to learn? * Ch 6 & 7 - what is so good about spaced repetition algorithms? Ch 7 - will robots ever take over from teachers?! * I'm a student / parent / teacher / SLT member and I really want to use tech to help learning - what should I do? We  also talk about comparative judgement and VAR Podcast pedagogy Books: We have a contribution from listener Natalie  TDT Section  Films: In lockdown, we are now looking at streamed movies . This week it is the Amazon streamed 'Blinded by the Light'  Music: I will be reviewing Dreamland by Alexis Ffrench . A much needed oasis of calm in a desert of uncertainty. We will be continuing with the podcast during these difficult and turbulent times. Stay safe out there listeners , we appreciate you being here!

This week sees the welcome return of Tom Sherrington to talk through his new book (with Oliver Caviglioli) entitled Teaching Walkthrus. Teaching Walkthrus are 5 step guides for instructional coaching. The natter: The first question is why? What are the reasons for the walkthrus? Secondly , what areas have you covered in the walkthru series? Into behaviour , how important are routines and how do the walkthrus and Oliver’s work help here?   With curriculum , How do you walkthru designing a knowledge rich curriculum and sequencing concepts in small steps? Tell listeners about how you and Oliver have drawn on the work of willingham , William, Berger and shimamura in the explanation and modelling section . Set out if you can , your suggested repertoire of effective questioning techniques?  Retrieval practice ? That’s just a quiz isn’t it ? Deliberately provocative question ! What is mode A and mode B teaching , readers of the learning rainforest will be aware of course . How can teachers listening weave mode A and B teaching into a cohesive whole ?  The how section includes guides on implementation. Could the book be used in an instructional coaching situation?   CPD cycles are mentioned , how important is it for leaders to map out cycles ?  Tell us about your launch at rED Blackpool Podcast pedagogy We are joined by Bruce Robertson giving listeners a sneak preview of 'The Teaching Delusion' , I will be reviewing classic film 'Coach Carter' and Four Tet's Sixteen Oceans in music. *****Listener discount code- WALK40 to get 40% off any quantity of Walkthru's up until the end of March********** https://www.johncattbookshop.com/teaching-walkthrus-five-step-guides-for-instructional-coaching

This week Teacher Development Trust CEO David Weston interviews Tom Bennett on behaviour, his work with the DfE on behaviour hubs, creating a culture and the mighty ResearchEd movement . Tom Bennett is the founder of researchED, a grass-roots organisation that raises research literacy in education. Since 2013 researchED has visited three continents and six countries, attracting thousands of followers. In 2015 he became the UK government’s school ‘Behaviour Czar’, advising on behaviour policy. He has written four books about teacher training, and in 2015 he was long listed as one of the world’s top teachers in the GEMS Global Teacher Prize. In the same year he made the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Bloggers’ list. His online resources have been viewed over 1,200,000 times. Podcast Pedagogy Books -Teaching Walkthru's by Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli  Films- Onward by Disney Music- Dummy by Portishead  John Catt discount code: If you wish to purchase Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli's Teacher Walkthru's,  listeners  can enter code WALK40 to get 40% of an order of any quantity of Walkthrus up until the end of March. https://www.johncattbookshop.com/titles/teaching-walkthrus-five-step-guides-for-instructional-coaching

This weeks I am in conversation with Omar Akbar; Teacher, Author- The Unofficial Teacher's Manual: What they don't teach you in training; Bad School Leadership (and what to do about it) .  We are nattering about  school leadership, the good and the bad! This is a very positive podcast with some great takeaways. The natter From the introduction of the book , tell us a little bit about you and your 15 years teaching across 4 schools?   You say this book is about the mismanagement of the system , what do you mean by this and what can we do about this ?   You kick off the book with relationship building and Rick astley ....tell us how important relationships, empathy and communication are for leaders  Observations can be controversial but also useful , what are your www and Ebi here ?   Learning walks , deception walks and urine tests . How can we ensure visits to lessons are beneficial for all ?  Book scrutiny and deep dives , what is a secret dossier and how can leaders be more transparent?   Behaviour - when in doubt blame the teacher for not engaging the learners . Is this common and how do we support teachers with behaviour so they are empowered and not undermined ?   Meetings - what is a Botox meeting ?    How do we support NQTs so they end up like the one on that recruitment advert How important are unions and why should we stand by our unions ?    How does shift happen ? What can we do to achieve a new normal ? Let’s finish as you do with some myth busting! Share a couple with listeners ?   Where can we find out more ?  Useful links  https://theunofficialteachersmanual.blog/ John Catt sponsorship  Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from JohnCatt.com until the next week’s show.