Naylor's Natter Podcast- an education podcast .

This week I am back in the interviewers chair to have a natter with 2 titans of education namely: Paul A. Kirschner is Emeritus Professor of Educational Psychology at the Open University of the Netherlands as well as Guest Professor at the Thomas More University of Applied Science in Belgium. Carl Hendrick teaches at Wellington College, UK, and holds a PhD in Education from King’s College London. We are discussing their new book 'How Learning Happens- Seminal Works in Educational Psychology and what they mean in practice' . Here is Carl's introduction to the book:   "Almost two years ago, I was asked by Professor Paul Kirschner to write a book with him. The original title was ‘Standing on the Shoulders of Giants’ and the basic premise was to discuss what we felt were the foundational works in education psychology and present them to educators in a way that would hopefully inform their practice. To be asked by someone of Paul’s stature was a huge honour for me and I really enjoyed reading through almost 100 years of the best evidence on learning and the weekly meetings over Skype talking about the book (and football). The chapters are divided into six sections. In the first section we describe how our brains work and what that means for learning and teaching. This is followed by sections on the prerequisites for learning, how learning can be supported, teacher activities, and learning in context. When we got near the end of the book we thought it would be good to provide some cautionary tales so in the final section we discuss what can only be described as educational Novichok in a chapter called ‘The Seven Deadly Sins of Education’ which you can download for free here." It comes highly recommended! “So often I’ve been asked to recommend a starting text for educators interested in the workings of the mind―now I have one. The text Kirschner and Hendrick offer alongside each seminal article does a wonderful job of situating the content in the broader scientific context, and in the classroom.” – Daniel Willingham, Professor of Psychology and Director of Graduate Studies, University of Virginia “As the volume of research into psychology and education grows, it becomes ever harder for researchers, let alone teachers, to keep up with the latest findings. Moreover, striking results often turn out to be difficult, or impossible to replicate. What teachers need, therefore, is good guidance about research that has stood the test of time, and practical guidance about how these well-established findings might be used to inform teaching practice, and this is why this is such an extraordinary, wonderful and important book. Paul Kirschner and Carl Hendrick have selected the most important research publications in the psychology of education, and, for each publication, they have provided a summary of the research, the main conclusions, and a series of practical suggestions for how the findings might inform teaching practice. I know of no other book that provides such a rigorous, accessible and practical summary of the last fifty years of research in educational psychology, and anyone who wants to understand how research can improve teaching needs to read this book. Highly recommended.” – Dylan Wiliam, Emeritus Professor of Educational Assessment, University College London We also have Podcast pedagogy with The Strokes, Tiger King and Ulysses!

Welcome to this week's Naylor's Natter, hopefully capturing the Zeitgeist of the continuing school 'closures' and lockdown. This script is being written over lunch during one of my days in school , can I add my thanks to all teaching colleagues going over and above throughout the world.  On this weeks natter , we have the marvellous Kathryn Morgan again in the interviewers chair. Kathryn is nattering with Sir David Carter. Sir David is a former National Schools Commissioner, the first Regional Schools Commissioner for the South West and before that had taught Music in Comprehensive Schools across the country since he started teaching in September 1983. He received a Knighthood for services to education in the Queen's birthday honours in 2013. TDT Section We have Michelle and Bethan discussing online facilitation in our regular TDT section . This is of course very prescient and topical at the moment  PodcastPedagogy In television from streaming services during lockdown we have Lucy Flower @MrsLFlower https://thehappyleader.wordpress.com/ on Waterloo Road and the genius of Hey Dugee .In music we have Molly @mimmer https://mimmerr.co.uk/ on Tame Impalla and in books its me on Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Shameless plugs  A plug for ResearchEd Home which is a fabulous idea , coming to a device near you from 20/4 . This will be starting with the superb Daniel Willingham and will also feature our very own (well sort of) Simon Cox . Stay indoors , keep positive and see you next week!

Update - promo code of PSF40 for listeners to get 40% off Putting Staff First. Visit https://www.johncattbookshop.com/titles In this weeks natter , Kathryn is in conversation with Jonny on leadership and how it is vital at times like this. Podcast Pedagogy Music- 'Mixing Colours' - Roger Eno and Brian Eno Books- 'A Clergyman's Daughter' by George Orwell Streaming Services- 'Sunderland 'till I die' and The Body Coach Next week Sir David Carter  Stay in and stay safe everyone . Massive thank you to all educators, continuing to safeguard, provide and care for our pupils! #proudtoteach  www.naylorsnatter.co.uk

*******This week's interview was recorded some weeks ago so please bear that in mind when listening******* This week I am in conversation with Daisy Christodoulou . Daisy is  the Director of Education at No More Marking, a provider of online Comparative Judgement software for schools. Comparative Judgement is an innovative, reliable and quick way to assess essays. You can find out more about how it works on the No More Marking website. Before joining No More Marking, Daisy was Head of Assessment at Ark Schools, a group of academy schools in the UK, and before that, I was a secondary English teacher in London. Daisy has  written three books about education, Seven Myths about Education, Making Good Progress, and Teachers vs Tech. Find out more about them here. You can read more about Daisy in this profile from Schools Week and this one from the Guardian. You can contact Daisy via Twitter @daisychristo. We discuss: ch 1 - why hasn't ed tech succeeded in the way we would have liked in the past? * ch 2 - personalised learning - is this a good thing? * Ch 4 - what is flipped learning, should we all be doing it, if so why not? * ch 5 - what are the ups and downs of using devices to learn? * Ch 6 & 7 - what is so good about spaced repetition algorithms? Ch 7 - will robots ever take over from teachers?! * I'm a student / parent / teacher / SLT member and I really want to use tech to help learning - what should I do? We  also talk about comparative judgement and VAR Podcast pedagogy Books: We have a contribution from listener Natalie  TDT Section  Films: In lockdown, we are now looking at streamed movies . This week it is the Amazon streamed 'Blinded by the Light'  Music: I will be reviewing Dreamland by Alexis Ffrench . A much needed oasis of calm in a desert of uncertainty. We will be continuing with the podcast during these difficult and turbulent times. Stay safe out there listeners , we appreciate you being here!

This week sees the welcome return of Tom Sherrington to talk through his new book (with Oliver Caviglioli) entitled Teaching Walkthrus. Teaching Walkthrus are 5 step guides for instructional coaching. The natter: The first question is why? What are the reasons for the walkthrus? Secondly , what areas have you covered in the walkthru series? Into behaviour , how important are routines and how do the walkthrus and Oliver’s work help here?   With curriculum , How do you walkthru designing a knowledge rich curriculum and sequencing concepts in small steps? Tell listeners about how you and Oliver have drawn on the work of willingham , William, Berger and shimamura in the explanation and modelling section . Set out if you can , your suggested repertoire of effective questioning techniques?  Retrieval practice ? That’s just a quiz isn’t it ? Deliberately provocative question ! What is mode A and mode B teaching , readers of the learning rainforest will be aware of course . How can teachers listening weave mode A and B teaching into a cohesive whole ?  The how section includes guides on implementation. Could the book be used in an instructional coaching situation?   CPD cycles are mentioned , how important is it for leaders to map out cycles ?  Tell us about your launch at rED Blackpool Podcast pedagogy We are joined by Bruce Robertson giving listeners a sneak preview of 'The Teaching Delusion' , I will be reviewing classic film 'Coach Carter' and Four Tet's Sixteen Oceans in music. *****Listener discount code- WALK40 to get 40% off any quantity of Walkthru's up until the end of March********** https://www.johncattbookshop.com/teaching-walkthrus-five-step-guides-for-instructional-coaching

This week Teacher Development Trust CEO David Weston interviews Tom Bennett on behaviour, his work with the DfE on behaviour hubs, creating a culture and the mighty ResearchEd movement . Tom Bennett is the founder of researchED, a grass-roots organisation that raises research literacy in education. Since 2013 researchED has visited three continents and six countries, attracting thousands of followers. In 2015 he became the UK government’s school ‘Behaviour Czar’, advising on behaviour policy. He has written four books about teacher training, and in 2015 he was long listed as one of the world’s top teachers in the GEMS Global Teacher Prize. In the same year he made the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Bloggers’ list. His online resources have been viewed over 1,200,000 times. Podcast Pedagogy Books -Teaching Walkthru's by Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli  Films- Onward by Disney Music- Dummy by Portishead  John Catt discount code: If you wish to purchase Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli's Teacher Walkthru's,  listeners  can enter code WALK40 to get 40% of an order of any quantity of Walkthrus up until the end of March. https://www.johncattbookshop.com/titles/teaching-walkthrus-five-step-guides-for-instructional-coaching

This weeks I am in conversation with Omar Akbar; Teacher, Author- The Unofficial Teacher's Manual: What they don't teach you in training; Bad School Leadership (and what to do about it) .  We are nattering about  school leadership, the good and the bad! This is a very positive podcast with some great takeaways. The natter From the introduction of the book , tell us a little bit about you and your 15 years teaching across 4 schools?   You say this book is about the mismanagement of the system , what do you mean by this and what can we do about this ?   You kick off the book with relationship building and Rick astley ....tell us how important relationships, empathy and communication are for leaders  Observations can be controversial but also useful , what are your www and Ebi here ?   Learning walks , deception walks and urine tests . How can we ensure visits to lessons are beneficial for all ?  Book scrutiny and deep dives , what is a secret dossier and how can leaders be more transparent?   Behaviour - when in doubt blame the teacher for not engaging the learners . Is this common and how do we support teachers with behaviour so they are empowered and not undermined ?   Meetings - what is a Botox meeting ?    How do we support NQTs so they end up like the one on that recruitment advert How important are unions and why should we stand by our unions ?    How does shift happen ? What can we do to achieve a new normal ? Let’s finish as you do with some myth busting! Share a couple with listeners ?   Where can we find out more ?  Useful links  https://theunofficialteachersmanual.blog/ John Catt sponsorship  Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from JohnCatt.com until the next week’s show.

Cath Murray  now slays dragons for @csjthinktank leading on alternative provision. Content producer for @EducationFest. Formerly@SchoolsWeek&@FEWeek . We are in conversation about alternative provision and exclusions.  What is IntegratED? The IntegratED programme aims to reduce preventable school exclusions and improve the quality of alternative provision (AP) for pupils being educated outside of mainstream schools. Our work is broadly divided into two areas: Raising the profile of AP and exclusions; and Piloting models in schools and AP settings that prioritise whole-child development. Change The social change we want to see eventually is a reduction in the number of children excluded from schools, an increase in early remedial interventions for pupils who require them, and a greater focus on whole-child development across the school system. If AP is the best place for a child, we want to ensure they are given high-quality provision that helps them achieve their full potential. In all cases we wish to see young people graduate from secondary level to a positive tertiary destination, with sufficient skills, values, aptitudes, and capabilities to enable them to contribute to the common good. We are not saying that all exclusion should be stopped. We are saying: exclusions should be fair, and with the best interest of the child at heart; and if removed, children should be placed somewhere that can offer them a high-quality education that meets their needs. The natter  Firstly tell us about your career to this point and how you moved from schools week to slaying dragons!   What is integratED and which organisations are part of this coalition?   Tell us about your work for integratED and your vision for fewer exclusions and better alternative provision   The unexplained pupil exits from school published in October from the education policy institute is an important read , could you take listeners through the report and it’s key recommendations (policy, guidance etc)   The AP census is incredibly opaque as you state in the integratED blog , what constitutes AP? Why is there such huge disparity in different LAs ?   You recommend that the government should publish alongside its exclusion rates , a combined figure that accounts for all AP , tell listeners why this is important.  Is a managed move to AP better than a perm ex ?   How can we improve education for children removed from mainstream?   You are out presenting your work at conferences , where can listeners see you next ?   Could you signpost us to blog / twitter / website etc ? Exciting news!  Naylor's Natter in association with TDT is now sponsored by John Catt Edu. This means even more high quality interviews and for you the listeners , a chance to benefit with discounts on John Catt books . The sponsorship will also help move NN into America!  This weeks code: Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from JohnCatt.com until the next week’s show. Next week: Omar Akbar on Bad School Leadership 

In this week's extended half-term special, we have Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton OBE on Early Career Framework and much more. We also have Jude Hunton 'live' from Educating Lincs which took place earlier this month. TDT Section We have Maria and David in discussion about the Education Policy Institute's new research, commissioned by Wellcome,  The effects of high-quality professional development on teachers and students is published today. The report can be found at https://epi.org.uk/document-type/report/. This review of the evidence on teacher professional development informs a wider EPI research project on CPD, also commissioned by Wellcome. The research, which is to be published later in the year, will examine the costs and benefits of a proposed policy entitling all teachers to thirty-five hours of high-quality professional development every year.  Podcast pedagogy section I look at 'Indistractable' in books by Nir Eyal, 'The Slow Rush' by Tame Impala on vinyl and 'Sonic The Hedgehog' in films. Next week Cath Murray 

Chris Moyse is a nationally acclaimed trainer and consultant with over 30 years of experience in education. A teacher for 18 years, he was a successful Head of Physical Education and went on to become a Teaching and Learning consultant for Somerset Local Authority. He was then a senior leader in a highly successful all-through 3-16 school for 7 years and is now Head of Staff Development for Bridgwater College Trust – a 3-19 multi academy trust in Somerset. He is also managing director of a successful education and leadership consultancy business; TLC Education Services Ltd, as well as being senior SLE for North Somerset Teaching Alliance.  Chris is also an ambassador for Leadership Matters; a movement designed to give all schools access to the high quality leadership development that ultimately improves pupil educational outcomes.  Chris was also the only associate teaching trainer with Ginnis Training Ltd – an education consultancy company led by the late, great Paul Ginnis, author of The Teachers’ Toolkit. He has worked in over 600 schools across England and Wales. The natter  Tell listeners about your career to date , your journey and what you are working on at the moment ?    I wanted to start by asking about your blog of November last year , entitled RIP performance management. You use the famous insanity quote at the end of the blog , tell me why performance management is dead?    Tell us about the professional growth policy you have devised for your trust .  What are the key drivers for staff development?    Going into your professional growth policy , what advantages does continuous professional growth have for teachers and students/pupils ?    What is effective personal reflection? Are teachers good at establishing our levels of competence?    I’m very pleased to see the data target ditched , what quality assurance processes do you employ to ensure pupils receive the best teaching possible ?    How will you use the teachers standards to help teachers reflect on their success, strengths and areas for development?    What is a challenging focus script and how will this be used by line managers ?    I’m very excited by the professional growth plan , how will training, opportunities and time be factored into this ?    What support will be provided for teachers and what feedback will be given ?    How will observations be used to support teachers to grow professionally ?    Could you signpost listeners to your website /twitter etc and your excellent podcast with the talking teachers ?    Where will you be speaking next about this? Podcast pedagogy Again based on #teacher5aday #notice , I will be looking at The Lighthouse in film , Foolish Loving Spaces by Blossoms in vinyl and The Prisoner by Jack Worth in books  Next week  Emma Turner interviews Sam Twisleton OBE.