
Beyond the Scope
Beyond The Scope, a new podcast by the Digital Pathology Association, focuses on hot topics in digital pathology. Co-hosts Dr. Giovanni Lujan (OSUWMC) and Dr. David Tulman (Instapath) converse with key opinion leaders in an engaging format discussing all of the new research, technology, and workflows emerging in digital pathology. Beyond The Scope aims to cover specific topics ranging from artificial intelligence to computational pathology, whole slide imaging to in/ex-vivo microscopy, regulation and commercialization, and more! For more information on the DPA, please visit https://digitalpathologyassociation.org/.
Latest episodes

Apr 26, 2022 • 45min
Jason Hipp, MD , PhD | Mayo Clinic
Send us a textDr. Jason Hipp is the Chair of the Division of Computational Pathology and Artificial Intelligence at the Mayo Clinic and the Director of Digital Innovation for Mayo Reference Labs. Jason joins Beyond the Scope to discuss his career path, which includes work in academia, the NCI, big pharma, and big tech. His journey through an evolving digital pathology industry is paving the way for pathologists to occupy non-traditional roles, such as informatics director or clinical trials pathologist. Additionally, the conversation touches on some of the current hot topics in computational pathology and artificial intelligence.A forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Apr 12, 2022 • 43min
Jonhan Ho, MD | UPMC
Send us a textSeason 2 of Beyond the Scope kicks off with a conversation with Jon Ho, dermatopathologist and founder of Kiko, a social media platform made to connect physicians. Dr. Ho discusses his passion for education and ways his department at UPMC are using digital pathology and artificial intelligence for both research and education. A forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Dec 1, 2021 • 45min
David Klimstra, MD | Paige
Send us a textDavid Klimstra is the Chief Medical Officer at Paige and was previously the Chair of Pathology at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. Paige is a medical company offering the first FDA cleared artificial intelligence platform to assist with the diagnosis of prostate cancer. Dr. Klimstra joins the show to discuss building a robust digital pathology program at MSKCC and the transition from academia to industry. Furthermore, he offers insights into what the first FDA clearance for an AI product means to the industry and the overall breadth of AI applications in pathology.A forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Oct 8, 2021 • 45min
Sylvia Asa, MD, PhD | University Hospitals Cleveland
Send us a textSylvia Asa is an endocrine pathologist leading University Hospitals in Cleveland, OH into the era of digital pathology. Previously, Dr. Asa was the Head of Pathology at Canada's largest hospital network, where she successfully built a digital pathology workflow. She joins Beyond The Scope to discuss the moment of realizing the power of digitizing a slide to achieving a fully integrated digital pathology workflow in Canada's largest medical network. As a Chair of the upcoming DPA Visions Conference (October 17-19 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas), she previews the program and highlights some of the upcoming talks. Finally, Dr. Asa gives her thoughts on what the field of pathology may look like in 10-20 years.A forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Sep 27, 2021 • 42min
Single-center COVID-19 remote sign out experience, featuring medical student correspondent Harrison Dai
Send us a textBeyond the Scope returns as David and Giovanni discuss a publication from Archives of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine: "Digital Pathology Initiatives and Experience of a Large Academic Institution During the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Pandemic". Topics include process to establish a 100% digital workflow, the remote validation process, and how the workflow was also useful for research and education. (24:49) Then, Harrison Dai (MS2, Eastern Virginia University) joins the show in a new segment sharing his experience as a medical student during the pandemic, in addition to the medical student perspective on digital pathology.Reference paper:https://meridian.allenpress.com/aplm/article/145/9/1051/464723/Digital-Pathology-Initiatives-and-Experience-of-aDPA links:https://digitalpathologyassociation.org/https://dpa-dapa.com/loginA forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Aug 18, 2021 • 47min
Raj Singh, MD | Northwell & Matthew Hannah, MD | MSKCC
Send us a textRaj and Matt join Beyond the Scope to discuss the the Digital Anatomic Pathology Academy, hosted on PathPresenter - a primarily open source cloud based viewing platform for digital slides. DAPA is used as an educational, clinical, and publication tool. DPA members can access DAPA for free to make use of the numerous educational modules (dpa-dapa.com).NOTE: this episode utilizes video for platform tutorials. Please visit https://digitalpathologyassociation.org/dpa-podcast-beyond-the-scope for the video version.2:48 Guest intro7:21 Introduction to the cloud based viewing and educational platform8:47 Tutorial for navigating the platform17:20 DAPA educational module features and demonstration20:45 DAPA use cases; including an interactive way to study for boards26:00 How DPA members and other can access the platform27:50 Open source platform vs. licensed version for private data30:10 MSKCC experience using the platform as an education portal and conference tool33:00 Long term clinical goals of the platform37:55 Utilizing the platform in underserved areas39:23 Utilizing the platform for publications and E-booksA forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Jul 15, 2021 • 50min
Marilyn M. Bui, MD, PhD, FCAP | Moffitt Cancer Center
Send us a textMarilyn M. Bui, MD, PhD, FCAP is a senior member in the Department of Pathology at Moffitt Cancer Center where she serves as the scientific director of the Analytic Microscopy Core. She has previously served as president of the DPA and currently chairs many committees for CAP and DPA. Dr. Bui joins Beyond the Scope to discuss her work toward digital pathology adoption and building a connected network of pathologists.1:58 Introduction and what it means to be a pathologist in the digital age6:03 Evolution of pathology toward the digital era10:18 How experience as a molecular biology researcher led to a career focused on DP/AI14:25 Building relationships through the DPA and how to get involved18:24 Highlights throughout the years of DPA leadership22:34 Global digital pathology collaborations24:23 DAPA - a cloud based platform for DP education31:05 Using social media to promote DP adoption and education32:47 Digital health initiatives at Moffitt Cancer Center36:33 Current research projects in DP/AI41:55 The future of pathology - how to improve the workforce,promote a healthy lifestyle, and decrease the workloadA forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Jun 21, 2021 • 46min
Chen Sagiv, PhD, Co-founder & CEO of DeePathology
Send us a textChen Sagiv is an entrepreneur and computer scientist. She joins Beyond the Scope to discuss her story as a co-founder of DeePathology, a start-up providing AI tools for pathologists, as well as the challenges and excitement surrounding innovation in the digital pathology industry.3:01 Introduction7:29 Early applications of computer science in healthcare and why deep learning/AI methods are mandatory knowledge for modern computer scientists11:15 The importance of cross disciplinary work between engineers, pathologists, and computer scientists18:15 Story behind DeePathology and how the start-up helps pathologists use and understand AI tools25:47 The perceived "black box" of AI vs. DIY AI platforms31:50 Building AI algorithms from scratch37:19 Advice for innovators in the pathology spaceA forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

Jun 1, 2021 • 53min
David Clunie, MD | DICOM Standards Author
Send us a textDr. David Clunie is a radiologist, medical informaticist, DICOM open source software author and editor of the DICOM standard. He joins Beyond The Scope to discuss image format standards surrounding digital pathology adoption. For more information, please visit: https://www.dclunie.com/ .3:00 Intro4:15 Background on PACS and DICOM, and the importance to pathology6:39 History of DICOM as the image standard for radiology10:04 Why an image standard has yet to emerge for pathology15:38 How pathology departments can work with IT departments to aid the digital transition16:54 Clarifying misconceptions about PACS21:52 Discussing all cost elements associated with digital pathology transition27:43 Advice to pathologists regarding image archival standards long term33:20 Collaborative efforts between pathology, radiology, and IT departments37:22 Educating the pathology community on image standards and regulatory barriers44:51 The role of enterprise IT in DP adoptionA forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.

May 17, 2021 • 39min
Raisa Glabman, MSPH, VMD | NIH NCI CBSTP Fellow
Send us a textRaisa Glabman is a veterinary pathologist and a fellow in the NIH/NCI Comparative Biomedical Scientist Training Program (CBSTP). Raisa joins Beyond the Scope to discuss her research on immunotherapy and the tumor microenvironment, how researchers in her field are using DP/AI, and the current state of DP adoption in veterinary medicine.2:28 Introduction4:37 NCI CBSTP program9:00 Why veterinary pathology is interested in DP/AI for clinical and research applications12:45 What human and veterinary pathologists can learn from each other regarding DP adoption16:30 DP applications in various veterinary pathology settings - industrial labs, academic centers, and small clinics20:25 Raisa's research on immunotherapy and the tumor microenvironment25:53 How Raisa is using DP/AI for her research28:10 Doing research during the pandemic29:43 Being an early adopter of DP/AI tools for this specific type of research34:50 How DP will help researchers ask new scientific questionsA forum to engage with the hosts and other listeners has been launched on the DPA website www.digitalpathologyassociation.org. DPA members may login to the DPA Collaborate hub (under the Resources tab) and join the Beyond The Scope community. All listeners are encouraged to use this forum to suggest future topics and guests, submit questions and corrections, and provide general feedback.