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The SSI Orbit Podcast – Self-Sovereign Identity, Decentralization and Digital Trust

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Dec 6, 2024 • 1h 9min

#78 - The United Nations Transparency Protocol (UNTP) (with Steve Capell)

Are you confident in the environmental and social claims about your products?    In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude sits down with Steve Capell, Vice Chair of UN/CEFACT and Project Lead of the United Nations Transparency Protocol (UNTP), to explore how transparency and traceability are being revolutionized in global value chains. Together, they unpack the challenges of greenwashing, the urgency of compliance with new regulations, and the transformative potential of a global transparency protocol. Steve shares real-world examples, such as the impact of carbon border adjustments and digital product passports, highlighting how regulatory frameworks and technological innovation intersect. The conversation also addresses the role of decentralized identifiers and verifiable credentials in ensuring the integrity of sustainability claims. Key Insights: Greenwashing is widespread, with over 50% of product claims being misleading or false. The UNTP offers a standards-based approach to ensure transparency and interoperability in value chains. Verifiable credentials are essential for decentralized trust, linking data to trusted sources while ensuring integrity. Regulations like carbon border adjustments and product passports are reshaping trade by enforcing sustainability disclosures. The UN's role as a neutral body provides a trusted space for creating global standards and recommendations. Tune in to this episode to learn how the UNTP is driving a shift from marketing-led sustainability claims to evidence-backed transparency and why this transformation is critical for regulatory compliance and strategic business differentiation. Don't miss this deep dive into the future of transparent global trade! Chapters: 00:00 - Why is the UN pursuing the development of a new protocol to help solve transparency in sustainability disclosures? 09:17 - How to ensure the integrity of claims being made is the d efacto standard? 16:32 - How did the UNTP think through the proper technical and governance architecture to support all transparency use cases? 32:36 - What will become the catalyst for the mass uptake of the UNTP? 40:32 - What makes the UN a good home for the definition of a transparency protocol? 51:03 - Does all data that interacts with the UNTP need to be public? 58:40 - Is there an opportunity for registrars to create value using the UNTP? Resources UNTP Overview: A detailed introduction to the United Nations Transparency Protocol (UNTP). UN/CEFACT: Learn more about the United Nations Centre for Trade Facilitation and Electronic Business (UN/CEFACT).  The digital product passport and its technical implementation Green claims - European Commission - Environment: New criteria to stop companies from making misleading claims about environmental merits of their products and services. Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM): EU regulation on carbon emissions and global trade.
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Oct 3, 2024 • 59min

#77 - The Global Acceptance Network (GAN) (with Darrell O'Donnell)

What if there was a way to establish a new trust layer for the internet, enabling secure digital interactions and unlocking valuable transactions that are currently impossible? In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude sits down with Darrell O'Donnell, Executive Director of the Global Acceptance Network (GAN), to explore this ambitious vision. The GAN aims to create a neutral, non-profit organization that governs digital public infrastructure for exchanging trusted information. Drawing inspiration from payment networks like Visa, GAN seeks to standardize conversations around digital credentials and identity across different ecosystems and industries globally. Some of the valuable topics discussed include: The problems GAN is trying to solve around digital trust How GAN compares to and complements existing digital identity efforts GAN's governance structure and business model The role of trust registries in enabling new types of digital interactions Tune in to learn how GAN could transform digital trust and enable new forms of secure, valuable transactions in our increasingly digital world. Chapters: 00:00 - What is the Global Acceptance Network (GAN) 08:35 - What value does GAN bring to whom? 12:05 - Comparing GAN to VISA and SWIFT 17:39 - Does GAN need to become a consumer brand? 22:49 - Who are GAN Members? What type of relationship will they have with GAN? 27:07 - How does GAN differ from and complement National Digital ID programs? 36:16 - How is GAN managing its own internal governance? 40:19 - What is GAN’s business model? 46:27 - How do Trust Registries fit into GAN? 53:29 - What is next for the GAN?
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Jun 28, 2024 • 58min

#76 - Essential Tips for Designing Decentralized Ecosystems (with Antti Kettunen)

Are you struggling to design and implement decentralized digital trust ecosystems that actually work? In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude sits down with Ecosystem Architect Antti Kettunen to unpack the challenges of adoption and value creation in decentralized systems. Antti shares his insights on moving beyond technology-focused conversations and instead building the right incentive models and business value propositions. He explains why simply selling decentralized identity as a technology solution is not enough—ecosystems need to be designed holistically with all stakeholders in mind. Some of the valuable topics discussed include: Contrasting value chains in centralized vs decentralized ecosystems The importance of coordinated governance in decentralized systems Strategies for Mapping out ecosystem value propositions Frameworks for analyzing incentives across different participants Whether you're in the process of building a decentralized identity solution or embarking on a digital transformation journey for an existing ecosystem, this episode is a goldmine of practical insights. It offers essential guidance on how to create sustainable value for all parties involved. Tune in to gain actionable knowledge that will empower you to design decentralized ecosystems that drive adoption. Chapters: 00:00 - Value chains for decentralized ecosystems08:27 - Are Wallets the new platforms?14:07 - Are Payments a key enabler for decentralized trust ecosystems25:25 - Will our identifiers ultimately be controlled by Apple/Google and Government wallets?31:27 - Frameworks to enable ecosystems for decentralized data exchanges44:17 - The need for public data layer within ecosystems to build trust and enable trusted interactions50:57 - Understanding ecosystem member incentives in order to increase success rate
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Jun 14, 2024 • 1h 8min

#75 - Germany’s Wallet Strategy, Interop Profiles, Big Tech (with Kristina Yasuda & Niels Klomp)

Are you curious about how Germany is navigating the complex landscape of digital identity wallets and interoperability? In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude sits down with guests Kristina Yasuda and Niels Klomp to explore Germany’s ambitious wallet strategy, the development of interoperability profiles, and the influence of big tech on digital identity. Kristina and Niels bring a wealth of knowledge and firsthand experience to the discussion, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of digital identity. They delve into Germany’s approach to creating a secure and user-friendly wallet infrastructure, the challenges of achieving interoperability across different systems, and how major technology companies are shaping the digital identity space. Get ready to uncover: The strategic objectives behind Germany’s wallet initiative Key considerations for developing and implementing interoperability profiles The role of big tech in driving innovation and potential risks Insights into the regulatory landscape and its impact on digital identity projects Join us for an engaging and informative conversation highlighting the complexities and opportunities within the digital identity ecosystem. Tune in to The SSI Orbit Podcast to stay ahead of the curve and gain valuable insights into the future of digital identity. Chapters: 00:00 - What wallet solutions are the German government funding, how it fits into eIDAS 2.0 11:58 - Governments x Wallets x Governance Frameworks 18:02 - Technical interop profiles from an adoption cycle lens, adoption being 27:08 - eIDAS 2.0 Personal ID adoption can happen quicker because of Org ID 30:00 - More on technical interoperability profiles: HAIP, DIIP, and the future of interop profiles 41:05 - Japanese government national ID, implications of governments issuing into Big Tech Wallets 46:00 - The Browser API for credential presentation 50:31 - Is there anything missing on top of eIDAS 2.0? 55:48 - About Presentation Exchange and its current/future roadmap in OpenID4VP
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May 31, 2024 • 54min

#74 - OpenID Federation: A Standards-based Approach to Trust Management (with Dima Postnikov)

How can we establish trusted digital ecosystems while driving innovation? In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude picks the brain of Dima Postnikov, Vice Chairman at the OpenID Foundation, on a standards-based solution: OpenID Federation – a framework for enabling trust across networks. As open banking and open finance initiatives spread, a crucial need arises: secure mechanisms for managing trust between participants. Dima walks us through the genesis of OpenID Federation and its role in overcoming hurdles around trust discovery and governance. The evolution of trust management approaches across sectors like open banking Understanding OpenID Federation's intersection with verifiable credentials Leveraging standards to reduce barriers and foster interoperability Tailoring OpenID Federation for use cases like eIDAS 2.0 digital identity Unpack the keys to unlocking trusted, interoperable ecosystems that safeguard data while catalyzing innovation. Tune in to this insightful conversation now! Chapters: 00:00 - Background on trust management in the OpenID world 03:49 - Learnings in trust management from the world of Open Banking 11:58 - How trust chains complement/conflict with peer to peer interactions 17:25 - OpenID Federation’s architecture design 34:25 - The evolution of standards in Open Banking 39:50 - eIDAS 2.0 profiles of OpenID Federation? 47:47 - Why Canadian Open Banking should have Trust Registries at launch
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May 24, 2024 • 1h

#73 - Self-Sovereignty: A Lost Vision or an Evolving Concept? (with Vladimir Vujovic)

Are you curious about how Self-Sovereign Identity (SSI) has evolved over the years and where it is headed? In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude sits down with Vladimir Vujovic, Head of Digital Product Management at SICPA to discuss the journey and future of SSI and decentralized identity technologies. Vladimir, with his extensive background in product management and experience in the SSI space since 2017, offers valuable insights into the technological advancements, challenges, and opportunities in this domain. From the early days of Evernym to the current state of mainstream adoption, Vladimir sheds light on the progress made and the hurdles still to be overcome. How have new credential formats and protocols impacted the industry? What role do government initiatives and large-scale pilots play in the broader adoption of SSI? Vladimir addresses these questions and more, providing a comprehensive overview of the SSI landscape. Join us as we explore the nuances of product development in the SSI space. Vladimir highlights the technical focus of digital wallet products and the need for companies to move beyond generic solutions to create value-added services tailored to specific industries. Discover the importance of making bold choices and the potential for growth in this evolving market. Chapters 00:00 - How things have evolved since Evernym’s early days in 20278:50 - Have we lost the vision of ‘Self-Sovereignty’ with an overfocus on Government ID?20:30 - Complexity of exchange interactions in identity vs payments24:10 - Evolution in thinking around building SSI-enabled products31:00 - The complexities of issuing credentials vs verifying them39:10 - How far open source goes and impacts product design45:25 - Adoption curves, horizontal vs vertical product focus51:45 - Where the technical SSI space is at today
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May 3, 2024 • 58min

#72 - Mobile Driving Licenses (mDL) in 2024 (with Sylvia Arndt)

Could digital credentials like mobile driver's licenses be the game-changer for secure and convenient identity verification?  In this episode of The SSI Orbit Podcast, host Mathieu Glaude sits down with Sylvia Arndt, Vice President of Business Development, Digital Identity at Thales, to explore the rapidly evolving landscape of mobile driver's licenses (mDLs) and their potential impact. Mathieu and Sylvia explore the differences between the US, Canadian, and European markets regarding mDL implementation and standards. They also delve into the legislation required to support digital driver's licenses and the role of organizations like AAMVA in providing guidance and recommendations. The conversation touches on the role of wallets in the mDL ecosystem, the potential business models for issuers and verifiers, and the importance of biometrics in identity verification. They also discuss the challenges and opportunities in the verification market and the need for governance and control in the industry. Chapters 00:00 - Status of Mobile Driving Licenses (mDL) in the US 7:00 - Why Government DMVs like the ISO standard for mobile driving licenses 9:25 - About AAMVA (the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators) 14:25 - How do governments perceive the value proposition of issuing mDLs 20:10 - General wallet strategy for DMVs in 2024 27:25 - Where are the opportunities in the mDL verification market? 41:41 - Requiring a registration process for mDL verifiers? 45:17 - Exploring possible new risk vectors that mDL introduces 50:17 - The business model for mDL issuers, and possible disruption to the IDV market
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Apr 19, 2024 • 54min

#71 - Problems Worth Solving in SSI Land (with Daniel Hardman)

Is there truly a clear separation between personal and organizational identity? This fundamental question lies at the heart of our most recent conversation on The SSI Orbit podcast, where host Mathieu Glaude sat down with identity expert Daniel Hardman. The conversation explores the learnings and insights Hardman has gained from his extensive experience in the SSI space and the importance of the human element in the identity domain. Mathieu and Daniel discuss the limitations of the term 'governance' and propose reframing it as 'empowerment.' They also delve into organizational identity and its inextricably intertwined relationship with individual identity. The complexity of managing relationships and roles within organizations is highlighted, along with the need for clear distinctions between facets of identity. The conversation also touches on the challenges of managing identifiers and the critical importance of versioning and trust in the context of organizational identity. Hardman's exploration of the intricate relationship between personal and organizational identity underscores the significance of understanding roles, relationships, and context when managing identities. His compelling perspective challenges the current mental model that compartmentalizes personal and organizational identity, inviting a more nuanced understanding of the true nature of identity. Prepare to be captivated by this thought-provoking episode as it uncovers the strategies, tools, and mindsets needed to navigate the complexities of identity management. Unlock the full potential of self-sovereign identity in both personal and enterprise settings as you delve into this intriguing conversation. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Learnings in SSI 02:27 Reframing Governance as Empowerment 07:52 The Intertangled Nature of Organizational and Individual Identity 14:12 Managing Relationships and Roles in Organizational Identity 24:32 Versioning and Trust in Organizational Identity
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Apr 5, 2024 • 1h 6min

#70 - Empowerment Tech: Wallets, Data Vaults and Personal Agents (with Jamie Smith)

Empowerment tech is about tools that start and end on the customer side, helping individuals make better decisions and get things done. It aligns the incentives of both individuals and organizations, leading to healthier and more sustainable outcomes. The role of regulators is to define outcomes and ensure compliance, but empowerment tech can change how regulators think about enforcement and create more value for individuals and organizations. Open banking and open finance are key enablers of empowerment tech, allowing individuals to control and share their data with different financial institutions. The technology behind empowerment tech, such as verifiable credentials and cryptography, is crucial but needs to be complemented by business and legal considerations. The conversation explores the future of blockchain networks and platforms, the role of wallets and credentials in solving attribution problems, the potential of personal agents, and the value of data in creating AI models. It discusses the commoditization of wallets and identity, the importance of trust and business models, and the dominance of Apple and Google in data services. The conversation also touches on the evolving UI models and the impact of generational expectations. Overall, it highlights the need for a multidisciplinary approach to design and interaction in the digital identity space. Chapters: 00:02 Defining Empowerment Tech 02:01 Aligning Incentives Between Customers and Businesses  04:41 The Role of Regulators in Promoting Empowerment Tech  07:57 The Potential of Open Banking and Open Finance 09:39 The Rise of Personal AI Agents  16:21 Wallets, Credentials, and the Future of Digital Interactions  21:50 Platforms, Protocols, and the Economics of Empowerment Tech  28:47 Rethinking User Interfaces and Device-Centric Experiences 35:22 Generational Shifts and the Future of Digital Relationships  41:16 Building Trust Through Design and Ethics
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Mar 22, 2024 • 49min

#69 - Content Authenticity: Combating Deepfakes, Misinformation and Fraud (with Eric Scouten)

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of online content? In today's digital landscape, it's becoming increasingly difficult to discern fact from fiction. Join host Mathieu Glaude as he welcomes Eric Scouten from Adobe's Content Authenticity Initiative to discuss solutions for verifying the provenance and integrity of digital media. In this conversation, you'll learn: The challenges of combating misinformation and disinformation online How the Content Authenticity Initiative aims to differentiate legitimate content The role of technical standards like C2PA in establishing content provenance Strategies for ensuring individual and organizational content authorshipDon't miss this opportunity to gain valuable insights into the world of content authenticity and learn how to separate truth from deception online. Tune in now! 00:00 - Intro to Content Authenticity Initiative, C2PA 09:43 - Content Supply Chains 14:57 - Type of Content Covered under Content Authenticity Initiative 22:00 - How does the C2PA work? 25:40 - User Experience for Content Publishers and Consumers 29:40 - Tracking Content Edits through Actions Assertions 31:30 - Machine, Organization and Human Signatures 39:00 - What does the broader Content Authenticity Ecosystem Look Like? 41:04 - Creator Assertions Working Group, Ongoing Deployments, Metadata Storage, Closing Thoughts

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