
Better Done Than Perfect
The show for SaaS marketers and product people. We talk with industry experts about email automation, marketing, content, and product strategy.
Latest episodes

May 17, 2024 • 41min
SEO Optimization for Existing Content with Kai Davis
How can you get more mileage out of your existing content? In this episode, we talk to Kai Daivs, an SEO consultant. You'll learn how often you should update your pages, the two levers for improving your SEO, how to use heat mapping, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Survey-based Research Projects with Becky LawlorAhrefs, Semrush – popular SEO toolsScreaming FrogHotjar – a heat mapping toolFollow Kai on TwitterGet Kai's exclusive resources for BDTP listenersThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Apr 19, 2024 • 40min
Data-powered Growth with Arpit Choudhury
How do you leverage data for SaaS growth? In this episode, we talk to Arpit Choudhury, founder of Databeats. You'll learn what makes a robust data foundation, how teams can work together to collect data, why less data is better, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.DatabeatsMake (formerly Integromat) — Arpit’s previous place of workGood Data To Growth: The GDG ModelMeasuring the ROI of Email with Claudiu MurariuGet Arpit’s bookFollow Arpit on LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. Onboard, engage, and nurture your customers, as well as marketing leads. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Mar 22, 2024 • 44min
Pricing and Packaging for SaaS with Dan Balcauski
How can we get better at SaaS pricing and packaging? In this episode, we talk to Dan Balcauski, founder and chief pricing officer at Product Tranquility. You'll learn what department should own the pricing function, how often you should revisit pricing, why you shouldn’t A/B test your pricing, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Product TranquilityFollow Dan on LinkedInSaaS Scaling Secrets — Dan’s podcastThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Feb 23, 2024 • 34min
Running a Portfolio of Products with Tim Schumacher
How do you run and manage a multi-product portfolio? In this episode, we talk to Tim Schumacher, co-founder and CEO of saas.group. You'll learn how they developed their acquisition model, the importance of setting up central teams for operative tasks, why founders need to think about successors, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.saas.group — Tim’s companyUI Breakfast Episode 135: Multi-Product Portfolio Model for SaaS with JD GraffamPrerender, Pipeline CRM, Rewardful — some companies acquired by saas.groupTinySeedSend Tim an emailFollow Tim on LinkedInFollow Dirk Sahlmer on LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. Onboard, engage, and nurture your customers, as well as marketing leads. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Jan 26, 2024 • 26min
QA in Email Marketing with Michael Wilding
With so many elements involved in email marketing, what does the quality assurance process look like? In this episode, we talk to Michael Wilding, a marketing automation architect. You'll learn how QA is done in larger organizations, why creating a base template is important, how to do QA on your workflows, and how to test your emails using different methods.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.DEPT® — Michael’s place of workLitmus, Email on Acid — template testing toolsPostmanFollow Michael on LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Dec 22, 2023 • 31min
Proven Ideas for A/B Testing with Sahil Patel
How do you come up with new ideas for A/B testing in B2B SaaS? In this episode, we talk to Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze. You'll learn why you should get inspiration from the tests run by other companies, how early you should invest in A/B testing, where to use disruptions in your website design, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.SpiralyzeConnect with Sahil on LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. Onboard, engage, and nurture your customers, as well as marketing leads. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Nov 17, 2023 • 45min
Community-led Growth with Lloyed Lobo
How do you build and grow a community-led business? In this episode, we talk to Lloyed Lobo, co-founder of Boast.ai and author of From Grassroots to Greatness. You'll learn about the four stages companies go through to become a global phenomenon, the values for building a sustainable community-led business, how to nurture brand evangelists, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.From Grassroots To Greatness — Lloyed’s new bookStart with Why — a book by Simon SinekNick Mehta, Dharmesh Shah, Kipp Bodnar, Mark Roberge — brand evangelistsLarry Ellison, Jason Lemkin, Gary VaynerchukFollow Lloyed on LinkedInFrom Grassroots To Greatness websiteThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Oct 20, 2023 • 24min
Automated Webinars with Melissa Kwan
How can automated webinars help your product grow? In this episode, we talk to Melissa Kwan, co-founder and CEO of eWebinar. You'll learn the difference between live-first and automated webinar solutions, why you should be honest with your prospects, how you can make your on-demand demo effective, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.eWebinar — Melissa’s productZoom, Livestorm, Demio — popular tools for live webinarsHow to Script an Effective On-Demand Product Demo — And Convert Leads Without Talking to Them!Connect with Melissa on LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. Onboard, engage, and nurture your customers, as well as marketing leads. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Sep 22, 2023 • 41min
Marketing for All-in-one Platforms with Geoff Roberts
How do you market a product that serves multiple jobs-to-be-done? In this episode, we talk to Geoff Roberts, co-founder of Outseta. You'll learn about their special approach to SEO, why you should sometimes prioritize resonance over reach, the importance of narrowing down on your audience, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Outseta — Geoff’s productBasecamp, HubSpot — popular all-in-one productsFollow Geoff on Twitter and LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Aug 25, 2023 • 41min
Lifecycle Marketing with Nout Boctor-Smith
Why should startups invest early in lifecycle marketing? In this episode, we talk to Nout Boctor-Smith, growth marketing consultant at Nine Lives Digital. You'll learn the difference between B2C and B2B lifecycle marketing, why customer centricity is important, how to market to sensitive audiences, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Nine Lives DigitalWhat is Product-led Growth?The Ultimate Guide to Account-Based MarketingB2B Marketing Attribution with Steffen HedebrandtConnect with Nout on LinkedInThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. Onboard, engage, and nurture your customers, as well as marketing leads. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.