
Vertical Playpen
Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you!
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Latest episodes

May 13, 2025 • 21min
The Power of Play | Ken Weisner
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Ken Weisner explore the significance of play in learning and personal development. Ken shares his journey into the world of play, highlighting key moments that shaped his understanding of its importance. They discuss the barriers adults face in engaging with play, the marketing challenges within the industry, and the profound impact play can have on team dynamics and personal growth. Ken emphasizes the essential qualities of a facilitator in creating a playful environment, underscoring the need for energy and passion in facilitating play. In this conversation, Ken Weisner shares insights on the importance of play in education and personal development. He emphasizes the need for a playful mindset, engaging activities, and the power of empathy in connecting with participants. Ken discusses his favorite activities that foster connection and learning, and he reflects on his journey towards writing a book about the significance of play. Play is essential for learning and personal growth. Experiences in Montessori education can reshape perspectives on learning. Adults often fear looking silly, which hinders their ability to play. Creating a safe environment is crucial for adult play. Marketing play effectively can change perceptions of its value. Fun experiences can lead to significant personal insights. Team bonding through play can enhance relationships and performance. Facilitators must exude energy and passion to engage participants. Reflection can occur without verbal reporting; internalization is key. Play can break down barriers and foster connections among diverse groups. You have to have a child's mind. Learn more about Ken - https://www.beachplaycompany.com/ Ask me a question - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

May 6, 2025 • 40min
The Experiential Learning Cycle (ELC) | Romy Alexandra
In this conversation, Romy Alexandra discusses the concept of experiential learning, sharing her personal journey and insights into how experiential education can transform traditional learning methods. She emphasizes the importance of engaging learners through experience, reflection, and action, and explores the experiential learning cycle and various learning styles. The discussion also highlights the significance of reflection in the learning process and how it can be made more engaging. Romy shares practical strategies for facilitators to enhance their teaching methods and the need to bridge theory and practice in education. Experiential learning is about learning through experience, reflection, thinking, and acting. Reflection is essential for deep learning and should be varied to keep it engaging. Learning styles are preferences that can change over time and should not box learners in. The experiential learning cycle can be applied to all aspects of life, not just formal education. Peer learning is often more impactful than facilitator-led instruction. Creating a safe space for reflection can lead to powerful insights and learning outcomes. Facilitators should strive to engage all learning styles in their teaching methods. The journey of learning is continuous and can spiral into deeper understanding and action. Connect with Romy - romy@romy-alexandra.com Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 29, 2025 • 32min
Lighthouse Parenting | Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg
In this conversation, Phil and Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg discuss the concept of Lighthouse Parenting, a metaphor that emphasizes the importance of being a stable and guiding presence in a child's life. Dr. Ginsburg explains how this approach balances love and protection while allowing children to take healthy risks. They explore the role of adults in modeling behavior, the impact of stress and anxiety on children, and the challenges posed by technology and social media. The discussion highlights the need for emotional vulnerability in adults and the importance of fostering interdependence in future generations. Lighthouse Parenting is about balancing love and protection. Role modeling is crucial for children to take healthy risks. Children need stable relationships to thrive emotionally. Stress is a significant factor in unhealthy risk-taking. Preparation is a form of protection for children. Overprotection can lead to anxiety in children. Social media has both positive and negative impacts on youth. Emotional vulnerability in adults fosters connection with children. Teaching basic human connection is essential before introducing technology. Interdependence is key to raising secure and confident children. Learn more about Dr. Ginsburg - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/ Purchase the book - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/book/lighthouse-parenting Connect with the podcast - podcast@high5adventure.org Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 22, 2025 • 38min
Communication in the Classroom | Mike Anderson
In this episode, the conversation focuses on the importance of communication in education, featuring insights from Anne Louise Wagner, Ryan McCormick and Mike Anderson. They discuss the barriers to effective communication, the significance of modeling appropriate communication for students, and the creation of a safe learning environment. The speakers emphasize the role of humor and personal connections in enhancing communication, as well as the need for continuous improvement in communication skills. They also explore the challenges of adapting communication styles in different contexts and the powerful influence adults have on shaping student communication behaviors. Teachers often unintentionally send mixed messages to students. Modeling appropriate communication is crucial for student learning. Creating a safe environment encourages students to take risks. Humor and playfulness can enhance communication in the classroom. Personal connections foster a positive learning atmosphere. Awareness of tone and body language impacts communication effectiveness. Adults should model the behavior they want to see in students. Communication skills can always be improved and refined. Mistakes in communication provide opportunities for growth. Learn more about Mike: https://leadinggreatlearning.com/ Connect with Anne Louise - alwagner@high5adventure.org Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 15, 2025 • 26min
National FFA Organization (Future Farmers of America) | Dr. Travis Park
"Learning to do, doing to learn" Phil, alongside guest host Jamie Thibodeau, is joined by Dr. Travis Park to explore the National FFA Organization's mission and its connection to experiential education. Travis discusses the importance of agricultural education in developing leadership, personal growth, and career success among students. The discussion highlights the role of experiential learning in FFA programs, the leadership development opportunities available to students, and the empowerment of youth through peer leadership. The conversation concludes with insights on collaboration between FFA and experiential education organizations. FFA is an agricultural leadership organization for students. The mission of FFA is to develop leadership and career success. Experiential education is integral to FFA's teaching methods. Students engage in supervised agricultural experiences (SAEs). Peer leadership is a key component of FFA's structure. FFA chapters empower students to lead their peers. Leadership development occurs through conferences and workshops. FFA provides opportunities for networking and mentorship. Agriculture teachers play a crucial role in student development. Collaboration between FFA and experiential education can enhance learning. Learn more about the FFA - https://www.ffa.org/ Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 8, 2025 • 30min
Deliberate Creative Teams | Dr. Amy Climer
In this conversation, Phil Brown interviews Amy Climer about her new book, 'Deliberate Creative Teams.' They discuss the importance of creativity in teams, the misconceptions surrounding creativity, and the role of education in stifling creative potential. Amy shares insights on how to facilitate creativity within teams, the concept of creative abrasion, and the creative spectrum that teams can navigate to enhance their innovative capabilities. The discussion emphasizes the need for structure in creative processes and the potential for individuals and teams to elevate their creative output. Amy's book is based on her PhD research on creativity in teams. Creativity is often misunderstood; it's about problem-solving, not just artistic ability. Education systems can diminish creativity by promoting standardized answers. Creativity can be learned and developed over time. Facilitators play a crucial role in creating environments for creativity. Creative abrasion allows for healthy conflict and idea generation. Group think can stifle innovation and should be avoided. Teams can be categorized on a spectrum from destructive to scalable in terms of creativity. Setting clear expectations and structures can enhance creative processes. The ultimate goal is to help teams and individuals reach their full creative potential. Get Amy's Book - https://a.co/d/3FzEwtq Learn more about the book - https://climerconsulting.com/book/ Connect with Amy - amy@climerconsulting.com Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 1, 2025 • 23min
Master of Education (MEd) in Adventure Education | Springfield College | Angie Veatch and Ted France
Phil Brown, Angie Veach, and Ted France discuss the newly launched Masters of Education in Adventure Education program at Springfield College. They explore the intent behind creating the program, the importance of legitimacy in the field, and the need for a curriculum that respects and incorporates experiential learning. The discussion also touches on the significance of breaking down silos in education, the role of language in making education accessible, and the essential facilitation skills that students will develop. Finally, they share their hopes for the future of adventure education and the specifics of the program's application process. The program aims to fill a void in adventure education. Legitimacy in adventure education is crucial for professional growth. Experiential learning is at the core of the curriculum. Breaking down silos can enhance collaboration across disciplines. Facilitation skills are essential for effective teaching and learning. The program is designed to be flexible for working professionals. Students will learn to create psychologically safe environments. The future of adventure education lies in developing thinking practitioners. Language used in education should be accessible and relatable. The program encourages individual connections and personalized learning paths. Learn more about the MEd - https://springfield.edu/graduate-programs/adventure-education Connect with Angie Veatch - aveatch@springfieldcollege.edu Connect with Ted France - tfrance@springfield.edu Connect with Kristi Jacobi - kristijacobi@stmarksschool.org Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - https://high5adventure.org/podcast-page/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 25, 2025 • 25min
Service Learning | Cathryn Berger Kaye
Phil and Cathryn Berger Kaye explore the transformative power of service learning in education. Cathy defines service learning as a pedagogical approach that connects students' learning to real-world community needs, emphasizing the importance of purpose and engagement in the learning process. They discuss the barriers educators face in implementing service learning, the significance of connection and adventure in education, and share inspiring stories of positive outcomes from service learning initiatives. Cathy provides practical advice for educators looking to incorporate service learning into their curriculum, highlighting the need for a shift in focus from standardized testing to meaningful, experiential learning. Service learning is a process that connects education to real-world needs. It elevates student engagement by providing a sense of purpose. Teachers find renewed passion through service learning. Service learning fosters social-emotional learning in students. Adventure in learning encourages risk-taking and self-discovery. Real-life stories illustrate the impact of service learning. Barriers to service learning include lack of understanding and standardized testing. Educators can start with practical resources and community connections. Service learning is not just community service; it's an educational pedagogy. Wisdom in education involves using knowledge for the common good. Connect with Cathy - cathy@cbkassociates.com Learn more about service learning - https://cbkassociates.com/ Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 18, 2025 • 25min
Positive Reinforcement in the Classroom | Eugene Banks
In this engaging conversation, Phil and Eugene Banks explore the profound impact of education, the journey of becoming an educator, and the art of teaching. They discuss the importance of connection, positive reinforcement, and authentic engagement in the classroom, emphasizing that teaching is not just about content but about the context and relationships built with students. Eugene shares his personal journey into education, highlighting the challenges and triumphs he faced along the way, and the strategies he employs to foster a dynamic learning environment. They also explore the importance of embracing mistakes in education, setting clear expectations, and fostering a growth mindset among students. Eugene shares his teaching strategies, including the 'We Do' approach, which emphasizes collaborative learning. They discuss the need to challenge traditional educational practices and the significance of inspiring young minds through literature. Eugene also highlights the urgency of pursuing dreams and the impact of his books aimed at empowering young black children. Positive reinforcement can significantly impact student engagement. Finding your teacher voice takes time and experience. Education requires a long-term commitment to improvement. Teaching is an art form that evolves with practice. Authenticity in teaching resonates with students. Student voice should dominate over teacher voice in the classroom. Engagement strategies are crucial for maintaining student focus. Mistakes in teaching are opportunities for growth. Building relationships with students enhances the learning experience. Mistakes are part of the learning journey. Setting clear expectations minimizes room for error. The 'We Do' strategy encourages collaborative problem-solving. Facilitators guide students rather than dictate learning. Growth mindset is essential for overcoming challenges. Education should prepare students for real-life situations. Rewards should be earned, not given for mere participation. Challenging traditional practices can enhance learning. Books can inspire and empower young minds. Acting with urgency can lead to fulfilling dreams. Eugene on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/youngblackscholarbook/ Learn more about Eugene and his books; https://www.eugenebanks.com/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 11, 2025 • 25min
Attribution Theory | Josh Fisher
Phil and Josh Fisher discuss attribution theory, a concept in social psychology that explains how individuals interpret the causes of events and behaviors. They explore its relevance in adventure education, emphasizing the importance of understanding internal and external attributions, common missteps participants make, and strategies for educators to engage learners effectively. The conversation highlights the role of language in framing success and failure, the need for appropriate challenges for different skill levels, and the impact of past experiences on current perceptions. Ultimately, they stress the importance of fostering a culture where failure is seen as a learning opportunity. Attribution theory helps explain how we interpret success and failure. Common missteps include attributing success to luck and failure to external factors. Reframing language can enhance participant engagement and learning. Creating appropriate challenges is essential for skill development. Pre-attribution can influence how individuals approach new experiences. Educators play a crucial role in shaping attributions in their students. Failure is a necessary part of the learning process. Encouraging reflection can help participants understand their experiences better. It's important to focus on controllable factors in success and failure. Building a positive learning environment can mitigate learned helplessness. Contact Josh - jfisher@high5adventure.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com