
Vertical Playpen
Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you!
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Latest episodes

Jul 8, 2025 • 28min
The Art of Communication | Salvatore Manzi
In this episode, Phil and Salvatore Manzi delve into the art of communication, particularly in educational settings. They discuss the significance of building trust through authentic communication, the importance of engaging introductions, and the impact of presence on audience perception. Salvatore shares insights on overcoming imposter syndrome and the balance between planning and spontaneity in communication. The conversation also highlights the role of storytelling in effective communication and concludes with Salvatore's upcoming book, 'Clear and Compelling,' aimed at empowering individuals to express their authentic voices. Glossophobia is a prevalent fear that affects many people. Effective communication is essential for creating impact and influence. Building trust with participants is crucial for facilitators. Vulnerability in communication fosters deeper connections. Engaging introductions can capture audience attention. Presence and body language significantly affect audience perception. Charisma can be developed and is not solely innate. Imposter syndrome can hinder effective communication. Practice and feedback are vital for improving communication skills. Storytelling is a powerful tool for engaging audiences. Learn more about Salvatore - https://www.salvatoremanzi.com/ Info about the book - https://www.salvatoremanzi.com/ccpb/ Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jul 1, 2025 • 26min
Facilitating Reflections | Thomas Lahnthaler
In this episode, Phil interviews Thomas Lahnthaler about his book 'Facilitating Reflections'. They discuss the inspiration behind the book, the role of facilitators, essential skills needed, and the concept of self-harming humility in facilitation. Thomas emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's contributions and the need for facilitators to be aware of their impact on group dynamics. The conversation also touches on the evolution of facilitation practices and the balance between experience and new facilitators. Critique is essential for growth and care. Facilitators should not be the sole source of answers. Facilitation is about navigating human dynamics. Self-harming humility can hinder facilitators' growth. Facilitators need to acknowledge their contributions. Awareness is crucial for effective facilitation. Facilitators should embrace their unique styles. Reflection is key to improving facilitation skills. Facilitators must adapt to each unique group. The book encourages introspection and personal growth. Learn more about Thomas - https://www.lahnthaler.com/ Connect with Thomas - thomas@lahnthaler.com Purchase the book - https://a.co/d/4E9fjKc Thomas' LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaslahnthaler/ Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jun 10, 2025 • 15min
"Can I Come Down?..YES!"
In this episode, Phil Brown discusses the importance of empowering participants in climbing activities by allowing them to make choices about their experience, particularly the choice to come down when they feel uncomfortable. He challenges traditional mindsets that prioritize reaching the top as the ultimate goal and emphasizes the need for facilitators to listen to participants' needs and create a supportive environment. Phil advocates for a shift in perspective that prioritizes emotional safety and encourages facilitators to critically evaluate their programming and language to enhance the overall experience for all participants. If a participant wants to come down, always say yes. Celebrating those who advocate for themselves is crucial. Reaching the top shouldn't be the only measure of success. Facilitators must balance challenge and panic for participants. It's important to honor participants' choices for emotional safety. Encouragement should be framed with respect for individual needs. Program design should allow for adequate time and support. Language used in facilitation can impact participants' experiences. Facilitators should continuously critique and improve their programming. Empowering participants leads to better outcomes in climbing experiences. Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jun 3, 2025 • 27min
Challenging the Accessibility of Outdoor Education | Devin Farkas
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Devin Farkas discuss the evolving landscape of outdoor education, focusing on accessibility, the importance of experiential learning, and the development of leadership skills in outdoor settings. They explore the core impacts of outdoor education, including confidence building and connection with nature, while also addressing the need to shift perspectives on risk and challenge. The discussion culminates in a vision for the future of outdoor education that emphasizes reducing barriers and enhancing learning experiences through outdoor spaces. Outdoor education should be accessible to all, not just the adventurous few. Experiential learning is key to achieving educational outcomes. Confidence, connection, and skill development are core impacts of outdoor education. The focus should be on creating meaningful experiences, not just flashy adventures. Leadership development is best achieved in low-risk environments. Facilitators should allow discomfort to foster learning opportunities. The situational leadership model can enhance group dynamics. Outdoor education can be integrated into everyday learning environments. The future of outdoor education lies in reducing barriers and enhancing accessibility. Learn more about Devin - workwithdevin.com Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

May 27, 2025 • 15min
Near Misses on the Challenge Course
In this conversation, Phil Brown discusses the nuances of training in challenge courses, emphasizing the importance of shared experiences and safety protocols. He recounts a near miss incident involving a participant and a helmet, highlighting the lessons learned and the need for vigilance among facilitators. The discussion encourages a culture of continuous learning. Facilitators should encourage discussions about impactful moments. Safety protocols must be adapted based on real experiences. Helmets can be both beneficial and problematic in certain scenarios. Vigilance is crucial when managing participants on challenge courses. Facilitators should practice lowering techniques before climbing. Sharing stories helps build a learning community. Anecdotal experiences can provide valuable lessons not found in manuals. Continuous learning is essential in the outdoor education industry. Engagement with the community can lead to shared insights and improvements. Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

May 13, 2025 • 21min
The Power of Play | Ken Weisner
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Ken Weisner explore the significance of play in learning and personal development. Ken shares his journey into the world of play, highlighting key moments that shaped his understanding of its importance. They discuss the barriers adults face in engaging with play, the marketing challenges within the industry, and the profound impact play can have on team dynamics and personal growth. Ken emphasizes the essential qualities of a facilitator in creating a playful environment, underscoring the need for energy and passion in facilitating play. In this conversation, Ken Weisner shares insights on the importance of play in education and personal development. He emphasizes the need for a playful mindset, engaging activities, and the power of empathy in connecting with participants. Ken discusses his favorite activities that foster connection and learning, and he reflects on his journey towards writing a book about the significance of play. Play is essential for learning and personal growth. Experiences in Montessori education can reshape perspectives on learning. Adults often fear looking silly, which hinders their ability to play. Creating a safe environment is crucial for adult play. Marketing play effectively can change perceptions of its value. Fun experiences can lead to significant personal insights. Team bonding through play can enhance relationships and performance. Facilitators must exude energy and passion to engage participants. Reflection can occur without verbal reporting; internalization is key. Play can break down barriers and foster connections among diverse groups. You have to have a child's mind. Learn more about Ken - https://www.beachplaycompany.com/ Ask me a question - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

May 6, 2025 • 40min
The Experiential Learning Cycle (ELC) | Romy Alexandra
In this conversation, Romy Alexandra discusses the concept of experiential learning, sharing her personal journey and insights into how experiential education can transform traditional learning methods. She emphasizes the importance of engaging learners through experience, reflection, and action, and explores the experiential learning cycle and various learning styles. The discussion also highlights the significance of reflection in the learning process and how it can be made more engaging. Romy shares practical strategies for facilitators to enhance their teaching methods and the need to bridge theory and practice in education. Experiential learning is about learning through experience, reflection, thinking, and acting. Reflection is essential for deep learning and should be varied to keep it engaging. Learning styles are preferences that can change over time and should not box learners in. The experiential learning cycle can be applied to all aspects of life, not just formal education. Peer learning is often more impactful than facilitator-led instruction. Creating a safe space for reflection can lead to powerful insights and learning outcomes. Facilitators should strive to engage all learning styles in their teaching methods. The journey of learning is continuous and can spiral into deeper understanding and action. Connect with Romy - romy@romy-alexandra.com Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 29, 2025 • 32min
Lighthouse Parenting | Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg
In this conversation, Phil and Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg discuss the concept of Lighthouse Parenting, a metaphor that emphasizes the importance of being a stable and guiding presence in a child's life. Dr. Ginsburg explains how this approach balances love and protection while allowing children to take healthy risks. They explore the role of adults in modeling behavior, the impact of stress and anxiety on children, and the challenges posed by technology and social media. The discussion highlights the need for emotional vulnerability in adults and the importance of fostering interdependence in future generations. Lighthouse Parenting is about balancing love and protection. Role modeling is crucial for children to take healthy risks. Children need stable relationships to thrive emotionally. Stress is a significant factor in unhealthy risk-taking. Preparation is a form of protection for children. Overprotection can lead to anxiety in children. Social media has both positive and negative impacts on youth. Emotional vulnerability in adults fosters connection with children. Teaching basic human connection is essential before introducing technology. Interdependence is key to raising secure and confident children. Learn more about Dr. Ginsburg - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/ Purchase the book - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/book/lighthouse-parenting Connect with the podcast - podcast@high5adventure.org Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 22, 2025 • 38min
Communication in the Classroom | Mike Anderson
In this episode, the conversation focuses on the importance of communication in education, featuring insights from Anne Louise Wagner, Ryan McCormick and Mike Anderson. They discuss the barriers to effective communication, the significance of modeling appropriate communication for students, and the creation of a safe learning environment. The speakers emphasize the role of humor and personal connections in enhancing communication, as well as the need for continuous improvement in communication skills. They also explore the challenges of adapting communication styles in different contexts and the powerful influence adults have on shaping student communication behaviors. Teachers often unintentionally send mixed messages to students. Modeling appropriate communication is crucial for student learning. Creating a safe environment encourages students to take risks. Humor and playfulness can enhance communication in the classroom. Personal connections foster a positive learning atmosphere. Awareness of tone and body language impacts communication effectiveness. Adults should model the behavior they want to see in students. Communication skills can always be improved and refined. Mistakes in communication provide opportunities for growth. Learn more about Mike: https://leadinggreatlearning.com/ Connect with Anne Louise - alwagner@high5adventure.org Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 15, 2025 • 26min
National FFA Organization (Future Farmers of America) | Dr. Travis Park
"Learning to do, doing to learn" Phil, alongside guest host Jamie Thibodeau, is joined by Dr. Travis Park to explore the National FFA Organization's mission and its connection to experiential education. Travis discusses the importance of agricultural education in developing leadership, personal growth, and career success among students. The discussion highlights the role of experiential learning in FFA programs, the leadership development opportunities available to students, and the empowerment of youth through peer leadership. The conversation concludes with insights on collaboration between FFA and experiential education organizations. FFA is an agricultural leadership organization for students. The mission of FFA is to develop leadership and career success. Experiential education is integral to FFA's teaching methods. Students engage in supervised agricultural experiences (SAEs). Peer leadership is a key component of FFA's structure. FFA chapters empower students to lead their peers. Leadership development occurs through conferences and workshops. FFA provides opportunities for networking and mentorship. Agriculture teachers play a crucial role in student development. Collaboration between FFA and experiential education can enhance learning. Learn more about the FFA - https://www.ffa.org/ Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com