

Vertical Playpen
High 5 Adventure Learning Center
Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you!
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
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Aug 26, 2025 • 20min
Navigating Challenging Dialogue Workshop | Lisa Hunt
In this episode, Phil Brown and Lisa Hunt discuss the upcoming workshop offering, 'Navigating Challenging Dialogue,' exploring its framework, importance, and real-life applications. They delve into the reasons why people avoid difficult conversations, the steps involved in preparing for such dialogues, and the benefits of personal scenarios in workshops. The conversation emphasizes the value of communication skills in various contexts, aiming to equip listeners with tools to navigate challenging dialogues effectively. Navigating challenging dialogue is a common human experience. Many avoid difficult conversations due to fear of damaging relationships. Preparation is key to effective communication in challenging dialogues. The process involves identifying the story in your head and relevant facts. Emotions are important but should be managed during difficult conversations. Real-life scenarios enhance the learning experience in workshops. Everyone can benefit from improving their communication skills. The workshop is designed for anyone in a position to give feedback. Challenging conversations can strengthen relationships rather than harm them. Having a clear process reduces anxiety in difficult dialogues. Learn more about the workshop - https://high5adventure.org/navigating-challenging-dialogue-essentials/ Connect with Lisa - lhunt@high5adventure.org Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Aug 19, 2025 • 28min
Introversion, ADHD and Education | Kyrus Keenan Westcott (@thevibewithky)
"ADHD is not an excuse, it's a reason." In this episode, Phil and Ky Westcott (mental health advocate - @thevibewithky) delve into the complexities of introversion, mental health, and the evolving understanding of ADHD. They discuss the importance of authenticity in sharing personal struggles, the rise in ADHD diagnoses, and the need for better education around mental health in schools. Ky shares his journey from injury to self-discovery through social media, emphasizing the significance of vulnerability and emotional intelligence in today's youth. The conversation highlights the impact of societal changes on mental health awareness and the importance of supporting individuals in their mental health journeys. Introversion does not limit performative abilities. The journey of self-discovery can start from personal struggles. Social media can be a platform for authenticity and connection. ADHD awareness is increasing due to more open conversations. Education systems need to adapt to the emotional intelligence of students. Mental health discussions were lacking in past generations. ADHD is a spectrum that evolves over time. Vulnerability in adults can positively influence youth. Stories of late diagnoses highlight the need for awareness. Support and understanding are crucial for mental health management. Find Ky; Instagram - @thevibewithky TikTok - @thevibewithky Listen to his podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/2LmJp4Q0kedi0OhKAoqIzp?si=aa7fba85ba964ebf Emotions by High 5 - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/emotions-by-high-5 Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Aug 12, 2025 • 13min
Play Pointers written by Karl Rohnke
In this episode, Phil revisits the influential book 'Silver Bullets' by Karl Rohnke, sharing key insights and play pointers that remain relevant in adventure education today. He emphasizes the importance of engagement, flexibility in rules, variety in activities, inclusivity in team selection, and self-competition, all aimed at enhancing the experiential learning process. Engagement in activities is crucial for effective learning. Flexibility in rules can enhance participation and enjoyment. Variety in activities prevents boredom and keeps participants engaged. Inclusivity in team selection fosters a sense of belonging. Self-competition encourages personal growth and motivation. Minimizing rules can lead to more dynamic and engaging activities. Bending rules can adapt activities to fit different groups. Avoiding repetitive activities maintains interest and excitement. Observation can be a valid form of participation. Karl Rohnke's principles continue to influence adventure education. Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Aug 5, 2025 • 18min
Mastering Belaying: Essential Skills for Belayers
Phil discusses the top five skills essential for effective belaying. He emphasizes the importance of physicality, communication, adaptability, checklist adherence, and understanding physics in belaying. Each skill is explored in detail, providing insights and practical tips for both novice and experienced belayers. Phil encourages listeners to engage with him on social media to share their own insights and experiences. Belaying requires a solid understanding of physicality and stance. Effective communication with climbers builds trust and safety. Receiving feedback is crucial for improving belaying skills. Checklists help prevent complacency and ensure safety. Understanding physics can enhance belaying effectiveness. Maintaining a proper belay stance protects your body. Regular check-ins with climbers can improve their experience. Adaptability in technique is key to being a great belayer. Visual aids can enhance understanding of belaying techniques. Engagement with the climbing community fosters learning and growth. Contact Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jul 29, 2025 • 18min
Organizational Culture and Staff Retention | Jim Grout
This conversation delves into the significance of organizational culture, emphasizing its role in staff retention, employee engagement, and overall organizational health. Phil and Jim discuss the intentional strategies employed at High 5 to foster a positive culture, the importance of personal connections, and how challenges can test and strengthen that culture. They highlight the need for organizations to prioritize relationships and create environments conducive to growth, ultimately leading to a more engaged and committed workforce. Culture is integral to what we do. Creating conditions suitable for growth is essential. Modeling good culture is more impactful than direct advice. Building connections and relationships is key to retention. Simple gestures can significantly enhance workplace culture. People leave jobs due to feelings, not just salary. Intentional strategies are necessary for fostering culture. Personal connections enhance team dynamics and morale. Culture is tested during challenging times, revealing its strength. A strong culture can coexist with financial success. Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jul 22, 2025 • 27min
T.E.A.M Communication Styles | Alan Krieger
In this episode of Vertical Playpen, Phil and Alan Krieger discuss the significance of understanding different communication styles. Alan shares insights from his extensive experience in team development, emphasizing that effective communication is not just about conveying a message but also about recognizing and adapting to the communication preferences of others. They explore the TEAM communication model, which categorizes individuals based on their task orientation and decision-making styles, highlighting the importance of tailoring communication to foster better collaboration and understanding in teams. Communication is a skill that needs to be practiced. People have different communication preferences that affect interactions. Our intentions as communicators can be misinterpreted by others. Respectful behavior varies between individuals and contexts. Understanding communication styles can improve team dynamics. Quick decision-making can be more efficient in many situations. The TEAM model categorizes communication styles into four types. Task-oriented individuals prefer direct and efficient communication. Some people prioritize relationship-building over task completion. Tailoring communication to the audience is crucial for effectiveness. Learn more about TEAM - https://teamcommunicationstyles.com/ Connect with Alan - alan@teamcommunicationstyles.com Check out Alan's podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/08bMp67WPTaTfztxnePoK1?si=d3f6f9a4a301433c Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram -https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jul 15, 2025 • 27min
Movement Therapy for Adventure Educators | Tom Swales, PT
In this conversation, Phil and Tom Swales (Physiotherapist and strength coach) explore the intricacies of body movement, protection, and rehabilitation through the lens of the AMT (Advanced Movement Therapy) system. They discuss how adventure educators can better protect their bodies from the effects of repetitive strain due to movement such as belaying. Tom shares his personal journey of recovery from a severe illness, emphasizing the importance of foundational movement patterns and the body's ability to adapt and heal. The conversation highlights the necessity of teaching movement through experience and the value of lifelong learning in maintaining physical health. The AMT system was developed to address personal challenges in physical therapy. Understanding the psychology and biology of movement is crucial for effective therapy. Assessment should focus on identifying the root causes of movement issues. Proactive approaches in therapy lead to better long-term outcomes. Teaching movement through experience enhances understanding and retention. Personal experiences can reinforce the principles of movement and recovery. Individualized care is essential for effective rehabilitation. The body has an innate ability to reorganize and heal itself with the right guidance. Complicated explanations can hinder understanding; simplicity is key. Lifelong learning and adaptation are vital for maintaining physical health. Learn more about Tom and AMT Systems - https://www.amtcertified.ca/ Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jul 8, 2025 • 28min
The Art of Communication | Salvatore Manzi
In this episode, Phil and Salvatore Manzi delve into the art of communication, particularly in educational settings. They discuss the significance of building trust through authentic communication, the importance of engaging introductions, and the impact of presence on audience perception. Salvatore shares insights on overcoming imposter syndrome and the balance between planning and spontaneity in communication. The conversation also highlights the role of storytelling in effective communication and concludes with Salvatore's upcoming book, 'Clear and Compelling,' aimed at empowering individuals to express their authentic voices. Glossophobia is a prevalent fear that affects many people. Effective communication is essential for creating impact and influence. Building trust with participants is crucial for facilitators. Vulnerability in communication fosters deeper connections. Engaging introductions can capture audience attention. Presence and body language significantly affect audience perception. Charisma can be developed and is not solely innate. Imposter syndrome can hinder effective communication. Practice and feedback are vital for improving communication skills. Storytelling is a powerful tool for engaging audiences. Learn more about Salvatore - https://www.salvatoremanzi.com/ Info about the book - https://www.salvatoremanzi.com/ccpb/ Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jul 1, 2025 • 26min
Facilitating Reflections | Thomas Lahnthaler
In this episode, Phil interviews Thomas Lahnthaler about his book 'Facilitating Reflections'. They discuss the inspiration behind the book, the role of facilitators, essential skills needed, and the concept of self-harming humility in facilitation. Thomas emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's contributions and the need for facilitators to be aware of their impact on group dynamics. The conversation also touches on the evolution of facilitation practices and the balance between experience and new facilitators. Critique is essential for growth and care. Facilitators should not be the sole source of answers. Facilitation is about navigating human dynamics. Self-harming humility can hinder facilitators' growth. Facilitators need to acknowledge their contributions. Awareness is crucial for effective facilitation. Facilitators should embrace their unique styles. Reflection is key to improving facilitation skills. Facilitators must adapt to each unique group. The book encourages introspection and personal growth. Learn more about Thomas - https://www.lahnthaler.com/ Connect with Thomas - thomas@lahnthaler.com Purchase the book - https://a.co/d/4E9fjKc Thomas' LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaslahnthaler/ Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Jun 10, 2025 • 15min
"Can I Come Down?..YES!"
In this episode, Phil Brown discusses the importance of empowering participants in climbing activities by allowing them to make choices about their experience, particularly the choice to come down when they feel uncomfortable. He challenges traditional mindsets that prioritize reaching the top as the ultimate goal and emphasizes the need for facilitators to listen to participants' needs and create a supportive environment. Phil advocates for a shift in perspective that prioritizes emotional safety and encourages facilitators to critically evaluate their programming and language to enhance the overall experience for all participants. If a participant wants to come down, always say yes. Celebrating those who advocate for themselves is crucial. Reaching the top shouldn't be the only measure of success. Facilitators must balance challenge and panic for participants. It's important to honor participants' choices for emotional safety. Encouragement should be framed with respect for individual needs. Program design should allow for adequate time and support. Language used in facilitation can impact participants' experiences. Facilitators should continuously critique and improve their programming. Empowering participants leads to better outcomes in climbing experiences. Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com