
Triple Win Property Management
The Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature uncovers new ways single-family property managers can create and monetize value for their company while transforming relationships with their investors, residents, and teams. Episodes feature industry professionals, global thought leaders, and the inspiring conversations that move the industry forward. Now you can join thousands of property management leaders who are tuning in and talking about leveling up together.
Latest episodes

Apr 13, 2023 • 36min
Workshop Recording: Deep Dive Into the RBP (Resident Benefits Package)
Hey there, professional property managers! Are you tired of dealing with resident complaints and pushback? Do you want to know the secrets of maximizing profit without sacrificing resident satisfaction? Then don’t miss this episode!
During this recording of last month’s RBP Workshop, Second Nature’s very own Tyler Nichols talks to Leah Schuch (Innovative Property Solutions), Jeremy Tallman (T&H Realty Services), and Megan Zellers (RMS Team RE/MAX Center) to talk about all things RBP. Listen as seasoned property managers reveal how Resident Benefit Packages can revolutionize your game. Learn about lease language and application disclosures that actually work, and get the lowdown on prioritizing new initiatives straight from the horse's mouth.
So tune in and discover the power of RBP. Your team, residents, and investors will thank you for it.
Want to join us for our next LIVE RBP Workshop on April 20 from 2-3 PM ET and learn from experienced Property Managers on how to successfully implement Resident Benefit Packages? Register now at https://bit.ly/3KuFVxZ
To see how a Resident Benefits Package can benefit you, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Going to Broker/Owner in April? Register for our exclusive Broker/Owner VIP experience https://rbp.secondnature.com/broker-owner-2023
Learn more and register to win the Triple Win Property Management Awards https://rbp.secondnature.com/awards
Register for TWLX 2023, just for Broker/Owners https://rbp.secondnature.com/twlx
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Hosted by Andrew Smallwood and Laura Mac
Featuring Tyler Nichols, Leah Schuch, Jeremy Tallman, Megan Zellers
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Mar 23, 2023 • 1h 1min
The Modern Property Manager Tech Stack
Get ready to turbocharge your business with the latest tech trends in Property Management. In this episode, we explore the essential ingredients for setting your business up for success with technology. Sam Eddinger of Ironclad PM interviews our expert guests Rhianna Campbell (Proper Planning LLC) and Kelli Segretto (K Segretto Consulting) as they share real-life case studies and examples of how companies have leveraged technology to achieve better business outcomes.
Whether you're just starting out or looking to upgrade your existing tech stack, we delve into the practical considerations, phases, and key focus areas for selecting, implementing, and integrating the right technology into your operations.
We also explore the characteristics of organizations that succeed in rolling out a technology stack, as well as those that fail to do so. Tune in for practical insights and actionable tips that can help your business thrive in the digital age.
We hope you enjoy this TWLX Bonus Session recording.
Got questions? Email us at triplewin@secondnature.com
Going to Broker/Owner in April? Register for our exclusive Broker/Owner VIP experience https://rbp.secondnature.com/broker-owner-2023
Learn more and register to win: Triple Win Property Management Awards https://rbp.secondnature.com/awards
Register for TWLX 2023, just for Broker/Owners https://rbp.secondnature.com/event/twlx-for-broker-owners
To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/pmlx-fb
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Be sure to follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Andrew Smallwood and Laura Mac
Featuring Sam Eddinger, Rhianna Campbell, and Kelli Segretto
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Mar 9, 2023 • 39min
Everything You Need to Know About Practical AI for Property Management with Wolfgang Croskey
What kind of impact will AI make on property management, and the industry as a whole? Are you afraid you might be left behind? Do you want to get started but think the bar is just too high?
In this episode, we further explore the practical world of AI and how it's transforming the property management industry. Laura MacMinn talks with Wolfgang Croskey (The Perfect Tenant) as he shares insights on the top 2-3 areas where PMs can implement AI right now, along with specific AI programs that are available today. We discuss how PMs can use AI well and the mistakes they should avoid when implementing AI solutions. We also explore predictions about how AI will become more useful in specific areas of the industry.
Tune in to learn how AI can help you achieve a triple win in property management.
Join us on March 15, 2023, for a live event: The Modern Property Management Tech Stack
Register for TWLX on May 16, 2023, specifically for Broker Owners.
Got questions? Email us at triplewin@secondnature.com
To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources on our website https://rbp.secondnature.com/community
Be sure to follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Laura Mac
Featuring Wolfgang Croskey
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, Carol Housel, and Alec Lower
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Feb 23, 2023 • 1h
Triple Win LIVE: AI in Property Management
In this Triple Win LIVE recording we bring you a panel discussion on the current state of AI in property management. Our panel of experts, Wolfgang Croskey (The Perfect Tenant), Tom McGarry (Second Nature), and Ray Hespen (Property Meld) share their insights on how you can leverage AI to improve your property management business.
Throughout this episode, you’ll learn what's working right now, what's next, and what might be tougher to implement. We also dive into real-world use cases including listings, content marketing, screening, recommendation engines, leasing, maintenance, and more.
If you're a property manager looking to stay ahead of the game and maximize your business's potential, this is the podcast for you.
Join us on March 15, 2023, for a live event:
The Modern Property Management Tech Stack
Register for TWLX on May 16, 2023, specifically for Broker Owners.
Got questions? Email us at triplewin@secondnature.com
To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Be sure to follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Andrew Smallwood and Laura Mac
Featuring Wolfgang Croskey, Tom McGarry, Ray Hespen
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Feb 9, 2023 • 57min
The Triple Win of Property Awareness with Phil Owen, Bess Wozniak, Brad Randall, and Joni Wolfswinkel
Have you ever uncovered something on a move-in/out that completely changed the way you do business? Do you have the proper processes in place to achieve property awareness triple wins?
This recording of the final TWL of 2022 is all about property awareness and features celebrity guest host Phil Owen (OnSight PROS) as he talks with Bess Wozniak (McCreary Realty Management), Brad Randall (Welch Randall Real Estate), and Joni Wolfswinkel (Real Property Management Preferred). Listen as they share real examples of strategies and practices that create new experiences for residents, investors, and management teams.
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To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Laura MacMinn and Phil Owen
Featuring Bess Wozniak, Brad Randall, and Joni Wolfswinkel
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Dec 22, 2022 • 1h 16min
Differentiating Your SMB PMC and More With Jordan Muela
In what seems to be a crowded field, how can your Property Management company stand out in an authentic and sustainable way? In this final episode of season 2, Andrew visits Jordan Muela’s own podcast studio where he hosts the Profitable Property Management Podcast.
Today the LeadSimple CEO is on the other side of the podcast as he shares his personal insights into differentiation for SMBs, PropTech, and creating strong relationships along the way.
Listen to Jordan’s podcast, The Profitable Property Management Podcast, here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-profitable-property-management-podcast/id1270553459
Subscribe to Jordan’s newsletter here: https://leadsimple.ck.page/29e1e08ea4
Like what you’ve heard and want more content? Sign up for our newsletter https://rbp.secondnature.com/community#signup
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To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Andrew Smallwood
Featuring Jordan Muela
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Dec 8, 2022 • 42min
TWLX 2022: Culture of Customer Service Panel with Phil Owen, Melissa Prandi, DD Lee, Ian Joseph
In this final recording from TWLX 2022, Phil Owen (Onsight Pros) moderates an incredible panel with Melissa Prandi (PRANDI Property Management), DD Lee (Skyline Properties Group), and Ian Joseph (The Joseph Group) as they talk about creating a triple win culture of customer service that impacts their residents, their investors, and their teams.
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To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Phil Owen
Featuring Melissa Prandi, DD Lee, Ian Joseph
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Nov 24, 2022 • 1h 28min
Triple Win LIVE: Annual Planning & Goal Setting with Julie Mullinax, Matthew Tringali, Paul Kankowski
As 2022 comes to a close, annual planning is at the top of every successful property manager’s to-do list. But do you know how to truly set goals that will lead to long-term success?
In this Triple Win LIVE recording, Andrew talks to Julie Mullinax of CRM Properties, Paul Kankowski of PURE Property Management, and Matt Tringali of BetterWho as they share their strategies and insights on how to successfully plan for the coming year and beyond.
Books recommended in this episode:
What the Heck Is EOS?: A Complete Guide for Employees in Companies Running on EOS
Great Leaders Make Sure Monday Morning Doesn’t Suck: How To Get, Keep & Grow Talent
If You Want It Done Right, You Don't Have to Do It Yourself!: The Power of Effective Delegation
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To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Andrew Smallwood and Laura Mac
Featuring Julie Mullinax, Paul Kankowski, and Matt Tringali
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Nov 10, 2022 • 43min
TWLX 22: Winning Processes → Winning Experiences with Jordan Muela, Peter Lohmann, Wolfgang Croskey, Zach Berkompas, Sam Schwetz
A broken process can cost your team and investors time and money. Identifying the cause can be difficult if you don’t know exactly where to look, and getting your team on board can be even harder.
In this recording from TWLX 22, Jordan Muela of ProfitCoach leads an incredible panel of industry experts, featuring Peter Lohmann (RL Property Management), Wolfgang Croskey (The Perfect Tenant), Zach Berkompas (LeadSimple), and Sam Schwetz (Mesa Properties). Listen as they provide real-world scenarios and offer actionable advice for moving your processes forward.
The book Zach mentions, The Checklist Manifesto, can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0312430000
Like what you’ve heard and want more content? Sign up for our newsletter https://rbp.secondnature.com/community#signup
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To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Jordan Muela
Featuring Peter Lohmann, Wolfgang Croskey, Zach Berkompas, Sam Schwetz
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran

Oct 27, 2022 • 44min
TWLX 22: Financial Insights & Mastery Panel with Allison DiSarro, Daniel Craig, Kristin Johnson, and Joe Polverari
The financial responsibilities of professional property managers don’t come with a handbook, but this expert panel comes pretty close.
In this recording from TWLX 22, Daniel Craig of ProfitCoach leads an incredible panel of industry experts, featuring Allison DiSarro of Enterprise Bank & Trust,
Kristin Johnson of HomeVault, and Joe Polverari of PURE Property Management.
Like what you’ve heard and want more content? Sign up for our newsletter https://rbp.secondnature.com/community#signup
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To see what other professional property managers are doing in your area, schedule a call at https://rbp.secondnature.com/triplewin
Join our private Facebook group just for professional property managers at https://bit.ly/3jezcLp
Stay up to date on events and resources at https://bit.ly/rbp-home
Follow the Triple Win Property Management podcast by Second Nature and never miss an episode!
Hosted by Daniel Craig
Featuring Allison DiSarro, Kristin Johnson, and Joe Polverari
Produced by Andrew Smallwood, Laura Mac, and Carol Housel
Edited by Isaac Balachandran
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