
Just Between Coaches
Where do coaches turn when they face a difficult situation with a client? Quite often, when coaching challenges arise, they reach out to a coach more senior than themselves. That’s the aim of Just Between Coaches — to be that trusted source of guidance for the coaching community.
Hosted by Melinda Cohan, coach and creator of The Coaches Console business management system, Just Between Coaches will answer the tough questions that coaches face every day. For example, what can I do if my client is lying? How do I deal with price resistance from prospects and clients? What if I want to fire a coaching client? And what the heck is a feeder course and why should I care?
This tactical podcast will provide a deep dive into one coaching topic per episode, which means searching for answers will be a breeze. It will also offer a simple way for listeners to refer other coaches who are grappling with those tough coaching questions. To submit a tough question you’re facing as a coach, put “JBC” in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.
Latest episodes

Nov 17, 2021 • 37min
Enhance Your Coaching with Neuroscience (Dr. Eugene Choi)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.With four simple steps, you can enhance your coaching and your client’s performance, says Dr. Eugene Choi, the founder of Destiny Hacks. Science shows that at any given moment, your brain is either in an executive state or a survival state. If it’s in the latter, you’re literally not able to think, much less powerfully support your clients. How can you help your client snap out of the survival state? What does “neuro-hacking” really mean? What are the signs that your client is in a survival state, and what can. you do about it when that happens? Dr. Choi explains that by the time you're about 35 years old, 90 to 95% of your brain function becomes subconscious. It's on autopilot. And it triggers the survival state, which in turn triggers the fight, flight, or freeze response. Dr. Choi explains that and much more in this episode where he and Melinda talk about how neuroscience enhances performance, in your client and yourself.In this episode we discuss:The difference between the executive state and survival state.The emotions connected to the survival state and how much of our time we spend in that state. What we are actually trying to survive--physical or emotional danger?The emotions connected to the executive state, and the actions and behaviors available to you in that state.The four steps to help you get out of the survival state on a moment-to-moment basis. “Research shows that by the time you're about 35 years old, more or less, 90 to 95% of your brain becomes subconscious. What does that mean? It's on autopilot. It's programming.” – Eugene ChoiGuest Bio: Dr. Eugene K. Choi, the founder of Destiny Hacks, uses neuroscience and technology to help leaders activate peak performance to boost their critical thinking, decision making, and revenue generation skills. He’s also been an Aces coach at Mirasee. The most heartbreaking moment for Dr. Choi was when he discovered that 80% of people from all around the world reported hating their work when surveyed anonymously. That’s why he left behind a successful career in healthcare to dedicate his life to showing entrepreneurs how to fully unlock their own potential using neuroscience and technology. Eugene is a certified transformational mindset coach and a board-certified clinical pharmacist who is on a mission to help talented, heart-driven leaders operate at their highest levels of performance, intelligence, and communication. He firmly believes that, by activating the powerful executive brain, results can be maximized, not just in business leaders, but in humanity as a whole. With a background in clinical pharmacy, neuroscience, and business coaching, his unique science-backed process helps clients figure out how to dramatically improve performance, innovate dynamic solutions, and achieve their goals. • Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:MiraseeCoaches ConsoleEugene’s website Eugene’s LinkedInEugene’s The Neurohacker podcastEugene’s articles on his Medium page• Credits:Guest: Eugene ChoiHost: Melinda CohanProducer: Cynthia Lamb Executive producer: Danny InyWriter: Michi Lantz and Melinda CohanAssembled by: Michi LantzAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production: Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people. If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com• Music and SFX credits:•Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION•Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: Enhance Your Coaching with Neuroscience (Dr. Eugene Choi): Coming soon.~~~~~

Nov 3, 2021 • 31min
Perfectionism: Friend or Foe? (Joy Torchia)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.Episode summary: A common perception is that perfectionism is the same as striving to be your best. Joy Torchia, the founder of Torchlight Life Design Coaching & Consulting, thinks it’s a trait to become aware of and overcome. But is there any situation in which perfectionism can serve you? Can perfectionism be a friend? Or is it always a fear-based foe? And why is it so hard to change the pattern of perfectionism that is blocking you from moving forward? In this episode, Melinda Cohan talks to Joy about perfectionism and how it impacts our coaching businesses. Joy believes that giving grace and space is important when dealing with perfectionism, but also believes that we should keep pushing ourselves out of our comfort zones. As she says, “There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone.” Joy is a certified personal development coach and a well-respected and award-winning communications strategist.•In this episode we discuss:What is perfectionism and how does it present itself? What is a fixed versus a growth mindset, and how do they relate to perfectionism?Is there any situation in which perfectionism can serve you? Can perfectionism be a friend? Why is it so hard to change the pattern of perfectionism that is blocking you from moving forward?Can perfectionism be self-diagnosed?“Perfectionism is not the same as striving to be our best. It's not about healthy achievement and growth. Rather, it's driven by this fear of failure.” – Joy TorchiaJoy TorchiaGuest Bio: Joy Torchia, the founder of Torchlight Life Design Coaching & Consulting, is a certified personal development coach and a well-respected and award-winning communications strategist. She helps her clients tap into their potential, power, and presence to achieve their individual goals and truly live a life they love. She’s also a certified coach at Coaches Console and an Aces coach at Mirasee. She has helped organizations to identify their core issues and missions and worked with staff to articulate the key outcomes they desire. She also works with people who are experiencing important life transitions and/or are growing into a new life phase and expression of themselves. Ultimately, everyone is leveling up and moving into a new phase in their lives. Joy brings many years of experience in working with nonprofits, philanthropic organizations, small businesses, educational institutions, and other organizations that operate with limited budgets and resources. Coach Experience, Training, and Certification Includes:Mirasee ACES Coach--Entrepreneurship Business Acceleration Program Coaches Console Coach--Coaching Business Systems CoachLHH Certified Career Transition Coach Coaches Training Institute--Certified Co-Active Professional Coach The Ford Institute for Integrative Coaching--Certified Spiritual Divorce CoachPositive Intelligence Coaching for Mindfulness and Mental FitnessStrengths Strategy Coaching--People Acuity.Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:MiraseeCoaches ConsoleJoy’s website Joy’s LinkedInCredits:Guest: Joy TorchiaHost: Melinda CohanProducer: Cynthia Lamb Executive producer: Danny InyWriter: Michi Lantz and Melinda CohanAssembled by: Michi LantzAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production: Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people. If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com• Music and SFX credits: •Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION•Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION• Episode transcript: Perfectionism: Friend or Foe? (Joy Torchia): Coming soon.~~~~~

Oct 20, 2021 • 28min
Coach or Consultant: What’s the Difference? (Danny Iny)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.In the coaching world, there's a bit of dogma around non-directive coaching according to Danny Iny, CEO of Mirasee. Also, the way he sees it, there are many similarities between a great coach and a great consultant, but huge differences between poor ones.In this illuminating episode, Danny Iny, CEO of Mirasee, and Melinda discuss the dogma around directive vs. non-directive coaching and why he believes it isn’t either-or. He elaborates on how the hybrid version of the coach and consultant can be the best solution for your clients. And also explores the best practices for helping your client determine exactly what they need.In this episode we discuss:The similarities and differences between a coach and a consultant. Whether the coach/consultant or the client has the authority in the relationship. When having a coach or consultant is most beneficial. And what Danny means when he says that a hybrid of these is often the best solution.Directive versus non-directive coaching.If strategy belongs in the coaching conversation. The best practices for working with your client to determine exactly what they need.“I'm not saying that you want to be directive all the time, but I think in the coaching world, there's a bit of a dogma around non-directive coaching and never giving advice that I think just doesn't really hold water.” “As much as mindset plays a huge role in your ability to get things done, I find that the umbrella of mindset is often a crutch for people to create excuses about why they're not getting things done.”– Danny InyDanny Iny, CEO of MiraseeGuest Bio: Danny Iny is an educator, author, and entrepreneur who is on a mission to reimagine business and transform education. His love-hate relationship with education began when he dropped out of high school at age 15 to start his first business. His frustrations with education were driven home many years later when he completed his MBA from Queen’s University School of Business. As the founder and CEO of Mirasee, a business education company, Danny has developed innovative training programs that have raised the bar for online education. These include the Course Builder’s Laboratory, Business Ignition Bootcamp, and ACES Club. Over 5,000 value-driven entrepreneurs have enrolled in these programs. Danny is a sought-after expert known for his knowledge, insights, and integrity. His published books include Leveraged Learning, Teach and Grow Rich, The Audience Revolution, and Engagement from Scratch! He has guest lectured at institutions including McGill and Yale universities and has spoken on stage at various industry conferences and at Mirasee’s biannual live event, LIFT. His writing has appeared on Inc, Copyblogger, Success, and other websites. Danny’s entrepreneurial journey has had many twists and turns. He built Mirasee after his previous startup imploded in 2008, leaving him $250K in debt. But he’s fond of saying that “failure is only failure if it happens in the last chapter; otherwise, it’s a plot twist.” Today, Mirasee is a seven-figure business with 30+ employees distributed all over the world. His latest book, Online Courses: A Business Parable About How to Create Freedom by Teaching Your Gift, is based on a decade of research, testing, and working with thousands of students. Online Courses reveal the opportunities and challenges for online course creators in today’s market, where people around the world are waking up to the power and excitement of online education.Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:Mirasee Coaches ConsoleDanny Iny’s LinkedIn Danny Iny’s books Credits:Guest: Danny InyHost: Melinda CohanProducer: Cynthia Lamb Executive producer: Danny InyWriter: Michi Lantz and Melinda CohanAssembled by: Michi Lantz Audio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production: Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael SnavelyIf you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.comMusic and SFX credits:Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONSTrack Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONSTrack Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONTrack Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: Coach or Consultant: What’s the Difference? Coming soon~~~~~

Oct 6, 2021 • 25min
The Power of Listening (Ellie Ballentine)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.As a new coach, it can be difficult to keep the focus, but there are tools and techniques that will help you listen deeply and well.In this episode, Melinda Cohan talks to Ellie Ballentine, founder of The Mindset Mentor. Ellie is a transformational coach in personal growth and leadership, and her superpower is listening. In this episode they dive into techniques and tips that can help you improve your ability to deeply and actively listen to your clients, every time. In this episode we discuss:The mirror and reflect tools. The different layers of listening to your client, and what are you listening for?What is the most complex or challenging part of listening? How do you learn and practice active listening?What to do if you get triggered. “We're not there necessarily, as coaches, to provide solutions. We're there to guide our people toward solutions. ” – Ellie BallentineEllie Ballentine is a Transformational Coach in personal growth and leadership and the founder of Ellie Ballentine – The Mindset Mentor. She works to create an alternative context for professionals and entrepreneurs to get past areas in their lives where they feel stuck. As a result, clients transcend the challenges in their lives and grow consciously and powerfully. Clients return to work and relationships with renewed purpose, more confidence and resilience, and clarity on how to bring insight to any situation. Ellie's sixteen years of corporate work in finance, consulting, and executive leadership and development afford her a unique set of skills that allow her to serve leaders and organizations in connecting expertise with emotional intelligence.Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:MiraseeCoaches ConsoleEllie’s website Ellie’s LinkedInCredits:Guest - Ellie BallentineHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Melinda Cohan and Michi LantzAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor - Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production - Post Office SoundMusic soundscape - Chad Michael SnavelyCall-to-action: If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please follow us on Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.• Music and SFX credits: •Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION•Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: The Power of Listening (Ellie Ballentine): Coming soon.~~~~~

Sep 22, 2021 • 26min
How to Fire a Client (Robbie Samuels)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.Episode summary: Firing a client certainly isn’t easy, and many coaches hope they’ll never end up in this situation. But in some cases, letting go of a client is necessary and for the best --- for both of you. Newer coaches and even some established ones really dread this conversation, but it doesn’t have to be as scary as you might think. In this episode, Melinda goes deep into the sensitive and hard subject of firing clients with Robbie Samuels, a well-known Business Growth Strategist and coach. They discuss some valid reasons for firing a client and why coaches should let go of a third of their clients. You’ll learn all the warning signs that a coaching relationship just isn’t working, what to do in this situation, and how a well-designed enrollment process can help you weed out potential clients who aren’t a good fit for your coaching business.In this episode we discuss:Should you fire a third of your clients, as a rule of thumb? Why a six-month contract is helpful when you want to let go of a client. How do you actually go through firing clients?How Nonviolent Communication, NVC, and its four parts can be helpful when having a difficult conversation.How you can continue to be of service even though your client isn’t your client anymore.The importance of proper enrollment."Paying for a coach does not improve your business or your life. It's about doing the work.” – Robbie SamuelsGuest Bio: Robbie Samuels is a keynote speaker, TEDx speaker, and relationship-based business strategy coach. He’s all about community-building, thoughtful virtual event design, relationship-based business growth strategies, and anything about how to bring people together to create connections. If these topics resonate with you, too, you should definitely connect with him!In 2020, Robbie reinvented his business from shuttered to six figures in eight months and now shares his business success story whenever he can. Want to be a success story, too? You’re in luck, because he offers private coaching and runs masterminds for online entrepreneurs like yourself!Robbie writes for Harvard Business Review, and has been featured in Forbes, Fast Company, HBR, and Inc. - and he was recognized as an “industry expert in the field of digital event design” by JDC Events. He’s also been recognized as a “networking expert” by Harvard Business Review, Forbes, Lifehacker, and Inc.He is an openly transgender man with a passion for racial equity and social justice.Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:Mirasee Coaches ConsoleRobbie Samuels’ LinkedIn Robbie Samuels’ website His free weekly #NoMoreBadZoom Virtual Happy Hour www.NoMoreBadZoom.comRobbie Samuels’ book Croissants vs. Bagels: Strategic, Effective, and Inclusive Networking at Conference Credits:Guest - Robbie SamuelsHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Melinda Cohan and Cynthia LambAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production by Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael SnavelyIf you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.Music and SFX credits:• Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS• Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS•Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION• Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: How to Fire a Client (Robbie Samuels). Coming soon~~~~~

Sep 8, 2021 • 31min
From Good to Great—How Do You Become a GREAT Coach? (Ari Iny)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.Episode summary: A great coach has to possess deep compassion and understanding for their clients, in addition to the core coaching skills. A lot of newer coaches want to coach anybody, out of fear of missing out on clients and failing to build a coaching business. But that can actually prevent them from becoming great coaches. Learn why being a skilled listener is important. And why having the courage to say what your client needs to hear, that’s serving them and their long-term development, helps you to become a great coach. In this episode, Ari Iny, an ACES Coach, Talent Manager & Partner Liaison at Mirasee, talks with Melinda about what it means to be a great coach, as well as the traits and behavior needed to become one. They go into why clarity of your own values, making sure that you align with them, and that you’re coaching from them is critical. Melinda adds three more traits that make a great coach, and Ari emphasizes that a great coach doesn’t rest on their laurels. In this episode we discuss:Ari defines what a great coach is and the difference between a good coach and a great one.What newer coaches need to figure out when starting their coaching businesses.The traits and skills a great coach needs to have, and the role of courage in a difficult coaching conversation.How being a mentor to other coaches can teach you where your own gaps are as a coach.The importance of values alignment, and three more skills a great coach has that have nothing to do with coaching skills.What breaks a great coach?“If you're able to listen well to the clients that you're working with, what they need and how the needs are changing, you're always going to be able to be at the forefront of the industry.” “In order to really be a great coach, I think it's more about who you're working with, and the relationship that you build with your client.” – Ari InyGuest Bio:ACES Coach, Talent Manager & Partner LiaisonAri started working for Mirasee in the summer of 2014 when they needed a new Facebook ad coordinator, and joined the team full time six months later in order to expand the company’s Facebook presence. Since then, Ari’s role within Mirasee has evolved a number of times – he’s become the head of HR for the company, Mastermind facilitator (where he learnt how to do business coaching first hand from Danny), Partner Liaison, and ACES coach. Before joining Mirasee, Ari jumped around quite a bit. After being released from the army, he worked in a bookstore chain where he was eventually promoted to managing a store, and then two stores (luckily they were close to one another!). When not supporting the Mirasee team and his students, Ari enjoys spending time with his beautiful wife, playing with their dog, reading epic fantasy (and lots of other kinds of fiction, too!), playing video games and sleeping. Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:Mirasee Coaches ConsoleAri Iny’s LinkedIn Credits:Guest - Ari InyHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Michi Lantz, Melinda Cohan, and CynthiaAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production by Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael SnavelyIf you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.comMusic and SFX credits:Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONSTrack Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONSTrack Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONTrack Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: From Good to Great -- How Do You Become a GREAT Coach? (Ari Iny): ~~~~~

Aug 25, 2021 • 27min
A Coach Needs a Coach, But Why? (Kate Steinbacher)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.• Episode summary: Why would you want to invest in coaching if you’re already a coach? One compelling reason has to do with the power of integrity—you can’t exactly ask your clients to do something that you haven't done or are not willing to do yourself. If you’re a coach who’s never invested in coaching, “you’re not walking your talk,” as Melinda puts it. And believe it or not, this problem is more common than you might think.• In this fun episode filled with wisdom, Melinda talks with Kate Steinbacher, co-founder of The Coaches Console. Over the past 17 years, Kate has helped thousands of coaches to get out of their own way and succeed in building a Coaching Business beyond their wildest dreams. Melinda and Kate emphasize the importance of having a coach if you want to be credible and grow your coaching skills, and also address the potential consequences of not having one.• In this episode we discuss:You don’t have to reinvent the wheel and struggle. There’s a smart way to do almost anything as a coach.How you become a better coach when you have one yourself, and how to communicate it to your clients.The need for transparency when someone asks why YOU should be hired.The dangers of not having a coach yourself.The main reasons why a coach doesn’t have a coach.How to know when you’ve outgrown your coach, and why that’s great.– “Having your own coach is a rite of passage.” – “To have a coach, as a coach, allows you to feel like a professional, and confident in your skills and knowledge that you have support if necessary.”– Kate SteinbacherGuest Bio:Kate Steinbacher• Kate Steinbacher has been helping thousands of coaches to get out of their own way and succeed in building a Coaching Business beyond their wildest dreams for over 17 years. She’s the founder, along with Melinda Cohan, of The Coaches Console, the premier software and business building system for Coaches and service-based business owners. She’s an extraordinary expert at getting in her own way AND finding the way out as well! •Kate is considered to be a fierce accountability partner who sees you as bigger than you can see yourself and a powerful listener. She’s a coach with a corporate and International background who has coached executives, leadership teams, and business owners (small and large) for years.• She has a diverse and ranging background: she drove trucks for UPS and worked her way up to HR manager; she traveled the world as Cruise Director on luxury 100-passenger cruise ships; and she created her own special interest travel company, taking small groups around the world for art and music. • Resources or websites for this episode:Mirasee Coaches ConsoleKate Steinbacher’s LinkedInKate’s Twitter• Credits:Guest - Kate SteinbacherHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Michi Lantz, Melinda Cohan, Cynthia LambAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production by Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely• If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.• If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.• Music and SFX credits: 1. Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS2. Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS3. Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION4. Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: A Coach Needs a Coach, But Why? (Kate Steinbacher)[00:00:01] Melinda: Mirasee [00:00:02] Kate: It allows you to feel like a professional and confident in your skills and knowledge that you have support if necessary. Now you may or may not need it, but you have it there and you've invested in yourself. Yeah. [00:00:25] Melinda: Hello and welcome to just between coaches the podcast that tackles difficult coaching conversations head on. My name is Melinda Cohan and I run a business called the coaches console. The coaches council has supported more than 50,000 entrepreneurs and creating their own profitable coaching business in this episode, we're going to talk about something I've called for in other episodes, it's something I believe in wholeheartedly and always will. So instead of repeating myself again, I thought I'd make a whole episode about it and discuss it in depth. What am I talking about? It's the necessity for coaches to have a coach of their own. So there's no listener mail today. Instead I'm bringing today's topic directly to the table to help me do that. Today is one of my favorite people and the person who has meant the world to me in my career. I'm talking about Kate Steinbacher, my former coach and current business partner, she'll be here in just a moment. Kate's been helping thousands of coaches to get out of their own way and succeed in building a coaching business beyond their wildest d...

Aug 11, 2021 • 33min
Feeder Courses – What are they and how do they help your coaching business? (Mary Williams)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.• Episode summary: Bootcamps, introductory webinars, books, and joint ventures are some of the best methods of attracting clients who are immediately interested in what a coach has to offer. But why are these sometimes known as feeder courses? How much should you charge for a feeder course? Or should you just give them away as freebies? Today’s coaching conversation clarifies what feeder courses are, how to use them, and when to create them.• In this episode, our host Melinda Cohan engages in an in-depth and lively discussion with Mary Williams about feeder courses and how to use them to grow your coaching business. Mary is a Chief Technology therapist who runs her own coaching and education business Sensible Woo and is also a coach for course creators at Mirasee. Mary and Melinda are both very excited about the prospect of using feeder courses to grow your coaching business and in this session, they’ll explain exactly how it’s done. • In this episode we discuss:What are feeder courses? The pricing of feeder courses. Freebies or paid?The problem-solution problem-solution model. What is the best format for feeder courses? – “Feeder courses are a really special little corner of our universe and it can be used really, really powerfully.” – Mary Williams• Guest Bio:• Mary is the Chief Technology Therapist at Sensible Woo, where she teaches highly sensitive & neuro-divergent online business owners how to replace technological chaos with a harmonious system. Through programs like Digital Feng Shui, her clients optimize their business foundation from an emotional and intuitive perspective so that they can delegate and automate without wasting time, money, or energy. • She is an accredited librarian with a Master of Science in Information and set the foundation of her career as the first digital archivist for Disney Animation Studios. From there, she has worked with marketing agencies, entertainment technology companies, public libraries, fundraising organizations, and technology start-ups. You can connect with Mary at sensiblewoo.com, subscribe for updates, and access her free library of learning resources.Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:Mirasee Coaches Console Sensiblewoo.com Credits:Guest - Mary WilliamsHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Michi Lantz, Melinda Cohan and Cynthia LambAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production by Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely• If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.• If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.• Music and SFX credits: 1. Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS2. Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS3. Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION4. Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcript: Feeder Courses – What are they and how do they help your coaching business? (Mary Williams).[00:00:01] Melinda: Mirasee [00:00:05] Mary: How do you know you want to spend weeks and weeks and also lots of dollars on an experience? And a feeder course can be a very easy, low priced entry point for somebody to not feel the pressure of making that big decision so that when it does come time to make the big decision to do the deeper work with you, it becomes a no brainer decision. [00:00:29] Melinda: Hello and welcome to just between coaches, the podcast that tackles difficult coaching conversations. Head on. My name is Melinda Cohan and I run a business called the coaches console. The coaches console has supported more than 50,000 entrepreneurs and creating their own profitable coaching business. Today we're going to talk about an interesting and important topic, a subject you'll have to dive into if you're a course creator or thinking of becoming one. I'm talking about feeder courses. But first, what exactly is a feeder course? I sometimes call them intro courses or intro webinars or intro workshops but whatever you call them, feeder courses are an opportunity for people to experience you. They can learn a little bit about what you're about. They can experience your style as a coach. They can see how you support and interact with clients and there's an opportunity for prospects to just dip their toe in the water to see if they want to make the full commitment to pay for your premium services or programs. Now to talk about feeder courses today, I've invited Mary Williams onto just between coaches. Mary is a chief technology therapist of her own coaching and education business sensible woo. She is also a coach for course creators of Mirasee. But before I bring Mary on, I'm going to read an email from a listener that reflects today's topic, as I've said in other episodes. Unless you tell me otherwise, any email that you send me that we read on the air will be anonymous. We want to encourage you to be open about what's troubling you without worrying about what your clients might think. Here's what anonymous had to say: • Melinda. I know you are both a coach and of course creator. So I want to ask you how to deal with clients who are reluctant to do boot camps or give away freebies. A couple of my clients have expressed reluctance to jump into adding free three part webinars or courses to their action plan. They think it's putting their full expertise out there for free. They feel they dilute their service and also come off as too sales. E I also think they're afraid someone will steal their work....

Jul 30, 2021 • 34min
What to Do If Your Coaching Client is Lying to You? (Liz Scully)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.• Episode summary: It can be extremely challenging and difficult if you, as a coach, suspect that your coaching client is lying. But it turns out, there are nuances to lying; not all lies are detrimental and they can even sometimes serve as self-protection. Wait, what? Isn’t a lie a lie? The answer, it turns out, isn’t so simple. Today’s conversation is all about how to tell when your coaching client is lying, how to handle the situation - and whether the lie is even worth addressing. • In this episode, Melinda Cohan, our host and senior coach, has an eye-opening and lively conversation with Liz Scully, the founder of Rethink Central, an organization that provides business strategies for entrepreneurs. They talk about what can motivate a client to lie and some common signs of lying, including micro-expressions that we have no control over. They also explain the difference between big untruths and so-called white lies. The session also addresses some compelling reasons not to challenge a client’s lie or a story they tell themselves. • In this episode we discuss:How an animator became an expert in lie detection. The role of microexpressions in lie detection. The difference between big untruths and the so-called social lies. What are the signs of lying?What to do when your client seems to lie. Reasons to not challenge a client's lie or a story that they tell themselves.– “Because we all think that we're kind of a closed perfect circuit. And, obviously, we're not. We're leaking information all the time.” – Liz ScullyLiz Scully• Guest Bio: Liz Scully spent 20 years working on big Hollywood films - she’s won an Emmy and her work is multi-Oscar nominated. Now, she’s a business strategist and a Mastermind coach and KNOWS business can be ridiculously fun as well as highly effective. • She’s Irish, nomadic and as confused as everyone else why she has an English accent.• Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:Mirasee Coaches Console Rethinkcentral.comMalcolm Gladwell’s book - Blink• Credits:Guest - Liz ScullyHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Michi Lantz, Melinda Cohan and Cynthia LambAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production by Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely• If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.• If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.• Music and SFX credits: 1. Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS2. Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS3. Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION4. Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION• Episode transcription: What to Do If Your Coaching Client is Lying to You? (Liz Scully)[00:00:01] Melinda: Mirasee. [00:00:05] Liz: I actually hear lies better than I see them because that is often two things that happen when someone's about to tell a lie. There is a longer than expected pause while they think of the lie and there will be a pitch change. Sometimes some people get squeaky, we've all seen that as a kid. No, we didn't eat the sweets and you're like, yes, you did. [00:00:31] Melinda: Hello and welcome to just between coaches, the podcast that tackles difficult coaching conversations head on. My name is Melinda Cohan and I run a business called the coaches console. The Coaches Console has supported more than 50,000 entrepreneurs and creating their own profitable coaching business. I've invited Liz Scully onto just between coaches to discuss a topic that can be challenging to talk about lying. We'll look into different types of lies, how to detect them and what you as a coach can do about it. Liz is the founder of Rethink Central that provides business strategies for entrepreneurs. She's also a mastermind coach for influential coaches. Before I bring Liz on, I'll start with reading an email from a listener that addresses the topic. Again, any email that you send me that I read on the air will be anonymous unless you tell me otherwise. So don't hesitate to be open about what's on your mind. Here's what anonymous had to say. Dear Melinda, there's something that I can't shake and I need your help and input. Maybe it's nothing, maybe there's something to it. I'm new at coaching and recently started to work as a business coach. What do I do if I believe a client is lying to me? I take pride in trusting my gut, even when it doesn't make sense. My client shared with me from the beginning that she inherited some money and so paying for my packages was not a problem. I'm so grateful for that. And all the ways I've been able to support her and all the things she's been able to accomplish. However, in our last coaching session I heard her mention that she had to borrow money to be able to pay for my services and that it's weighing on her budget. Should I challenge her on this or let it go? I can't help but wonder has she lied about other things.&n...

Jul 30, 2021 • 35min
Are Your Habits Serving You or Not? (Kai Alday)
Special "Business Revenue Leak Checklist" offer free at http://www.mrse.co/leak.• Episode summary: Some habits are serving and some habits are not serving. Or as we usually say -- they are good or bad habits. Typically, a habit is the thing that either helps us to reach a goal or prevents us from reaching that goal. You can call them "invisible creatures," because sometimes you don't even know they're there. You just can’t figure out why you haven’t reached your goal, or can’t change.• In this jam-packed episode, Melinda Cohan, our host and senior coach, has a fascinating conversation with Kai Alday, the founder of SuccessAlday, a company focusing on creating mindset and habit success. Melinda and Kai geek out on the neuroscience of habits and discuss several practical steps that you can immediately apply to break any nonserving habit and create a new one that serves.•In this episode we discuss:How habits serve us but also how they can be “invisible creatures.”Why it’s so hard to change habits, and how long it takes to change them. Just how long does it take to change a habit? 21 days? 67?The essential three levels to clarify in order to create change.What tools and systems help your client change a habit? What are temptation bundling and friction reduction?How do pretty rocks help you change a habit?• “Are your actions actually voting for the person that you want to be? Or are they voting for how life already is?” – Kai AldayKai Alday•Guest bio: Kai Alday is a self-proclaimed momentum junkie, AKA a coach obsessed with creating traction for service-based businesses. She has a not-so-secret love affair with brain science and loves using it to create mindset and habit success for her clients. Kai’s specialties are customer experience design, program creation, and science-based goal setting. •Kai founded SuccessAlday to help small businesses ditch the complicated strategies and embrace a business that’s simple to run, fun to build and makes success inevitable. For Kai, the idea that you need to hustle until you die is outdated and only beneficial to the power suits. Instead, she focuses on building a thriving business with the purpose of enjoying your life and creating an impact while you do it. Fair warning: Kai isn’t your grandpa's business coach. There's a healthy dose of laughter, real talk, and profanity involved. •Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:MiraseeCoaches Console Kai Alday’s LinkedIn SuccessAlday.com•Credits:Guest - Kai AldayHost - Melinda CohanProducer - Cynthia Lamb Executive producer - Danny InyWriter - Michi Lantz, Melinda Cohan, and Cynthia LambAssembled by - Geoff GovertsenAudio Post Supervisor: Evan Miles, Christopher MartinAudio Post Production by Post Office SoundMusic soundscape: Chad Michael Snavely•If you don't want to miss future episodes of Just Between Coaches, please subscribe to Apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And if you liked the show, please leave us a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.• If you have a question for Just Between Coaches, put the show title in the subject line and send it to podcasts@mirasee.com.•Music and SFX credits: 1. Track Title: CloudsArtist Name(s): AcreageWriter Name: Marshall UsingerPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS2. Track Title: Coastline DreamArtist Name(s): Wild SkyWriter Name: Adam SimonsPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONS3. Track Title: Coo CoosArtist Name(s): Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTION4. Track Title: Stars & TreesArtist Name(s): Outside The SkyWriter Name: Dustin RansomPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONEpisode transcription: Are Your Habits Serving You or Not? (Kai Alday)[00:00:00] Melinda: Mirasee [00:00:05] Kai: At the end of the 21 days or 67 days or however long you choose to do this, you're gonna be able to see where you're placing your vote. Are your actions actually voting for the person that you want to be or are they voting for how life already is? [00:00:25] Melinda: Hello and welcome to just between coaches, the podcast that tackles difficult coaching conversations. Head on. My name is Melinda Cohen and I run a business called the coaches console. The coaches council has supported more than 50,000 entrepreneurs and creating their own profitable coaching business. In this episode, we're going to dive into the topic of habits. First, it's human nature to have habits and there's nothing wrong with that. However, as coaches, it's our job to help our clients get the results they want, and they may involve changing a habit or two. When we try to break a habit and establish a new one, we usually experience it as hard and isolation makes it even harder. Breaking a habit on your own is extremely difficult and it takes a ton of self-discipline, which is why having the support of a coach for this is so important to talk about habits today. On just between coaches, I've invited chi all day. Kai is a business coach to entrepreneurs. She also coaches course creators at Mirasee. Before I bring Kai on, I'm going to read an email from a listener that reflects today's topic again. Unless you tell me otherwise, any email that you send me that we read on the air will be anonymous. Here's what anonymous had to say. Hello, Melinda, I need your help and advice. My client told me five months ago that she wants to integrate meditation into her hectic life. She is a ceo of a public company and one of her goals is to feel more relaxed and focused. But in our coaching sessions I...