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Dec 31, 2025 • 57min
Teaching with Different Bible Translations | An Interview with John Hilton III
John Hilton III was born in San Francisco and grew up in Seattle. He served a mission in Denver, and got a Bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University. While there he met his wife Lani and they have six children. They have lived in Boise, Boston, Miami, Mexico, Jerusalem and China. John has a Master’s degree from Harvard and a Ph.D from BYU, both in Education. John is a professor of Religious Education at BYU.
John has published several books with Deseret Book, including Considering the Cross: How Calvary Connects Us with Christ. He’s the author of the new course “Finding Christ in the Old Testament.”
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Links
ScriptureCentral.org
Scripture Central on YouTube
Finding Christ in the Old Testament
Newsroom: New Guidance on Bible Translations for Latter-day Saints
Handbook: 38.8.40.1 Editions and translations of the Holy Bible
YouVersion Bible App page (Apple app here)
Keeping Jesus as the Center of Leadership | An Interview with John Hilton III
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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community
Highlights
In this episode, John discusses the recent changes in the Church’s approach to Bible translations and how these changes can enhance understanding of the scriptures, particularly the Old Testament. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accessibility and comprehension in scripture study.
Key Insights
The Church’s handbook now states that while members should generally use a preferred or church-published edition of the Bible, other translations may also be used, reflecting a shift towards inclusivity and understanding.
Many individuals struggle with the King James Version due to its higher reading level, which can hinder their engagement with the scriptures. Simpler translations can provide clarity and accessibility.
Various Bible translations, such as the English Standard Version (ESV) and New International Version (NIV), can help bridge the gap for those who find the King James Version challenging, making the scriptures more relatable and understandable.
The discussion highlights the importance of using different translations in teaching settings to enhance comprehension and engagement, particularly for youth and those unfamiliar with the King James Version.
Leaders are encouraged to create an inclusive environment in classes where all translations are respected, fostering a space for discussion and learning.
Leadership Applications
Leaders can promote the use of various Bible translations in their classes to help members better understand scriptural principles, especially for those who may struggle with traditional texts.
By being aware of the reading levels of different translations, leaders can guide individuals to resources that suit their comprehension needs, ensuring that everyone can access the teachings of the scriptures.
Encouraging open discussions about different translations can help create a welcoming atmosphere in church settings, allowing members to feel comfortable sharing their insights and questions without fear of judgment.
00:02:44 – Guest Introduction: John Hilton III
00:03:26 – Classroom Applications of Bible Translations
00:04:08 – John Hilton’s Projects with Scripture Central
00:04:50 – Changes in Church Handbook Regarding Bible Translations
00:08:34 – Discussion on Handbook Changes
00:14:33 – Historical Context of Bible Translations
00:19:07 – Addressing Concerns About Modern Translations
00:21:18 – Recommendations for Bible Translations
00:24:31 – Using Different Translations for Comprehension
00:26:04 – Importance of Accessible Translations for Youth
00:28:01 – Anticipating Classroom Dynamics with Various Translations
00:30:21 – Creating a Respectful Classroom Environment
00:32:51 – Teaching Strategies for Engaging with Scriptures
00:41:18 – The Role of Listening to Scripture
00:44:10 – Speculation on Future Translations of Church Scriptures
00:47:44 – Encouraging Leaders to Support Comprehension in Others
The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.
Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.
Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

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Dec 24, 2025 • 1h 1min
Tips for Teaching the Old Testament in 2026 | An Interview with Joshua Sears
Joshua Sears, a distinguished Hebrew Bible scholar and author, shares insightful strategies for teaching the Old Testament. He highlights the importance of understanding various literary genres and discusses the challenges modern readers face with its complexity. Sears emphasizes recognizing Christ's role as Jehovah throughout the text and encourages teachers to focus on deepening conversion rather than merely covering historical details. He also suggests balancing lesson preparation with prayer for a transformative study experience.

Dec 17, 2025 • 1h 2min
What Leaders Should Know About Black Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Brothaz in the Foyer
Will Kennedy and Isiah Gray are co-hosts of Brothaz in the Foyer, a platform focused on the experiences of Black Latter-day Saints. They share their personal faith journeys and discuss the importance of addressing race within the Church. Highlights include their experiences in the temple, emphasizing the need for diverse representation. They advocate for empathy and meaningful conversations to bridge cultural gaps and challenge leaders to view everyone as God's children. Additionally, they reflect on church history, encouraging understanding and reconciliation.

Dec 14, 2025 • 54min
Primary: From Administration to Connection | A How I Lead Interview with Michelle Colledge
In this engaging discussion, Michelle Colledge, a dedicated Latter-day Saint leader and gymnastics coach, shares her insights on transforming Primary leadership from administration to heartfelt ministry. She emphasizes the significance of building community through personal connections, such as personalized birthday visits. Michelle also introduces innovative programming with stake-wide devotions, empowering children to serve in leadership roles. Her perceptive approach to recognizing and addressing children's needs reflects a deep commitment to creating a nurturing environment that uplifts both children and leaders.

Dec 13, 2025 • 8min
Can Leading Saints “Fix” Your Ward Culture?
Explore the common frustrations ward leaders experience and how they can improve culture within their communities. Discover the unique resources and support offered to help shift participation and engagement. The discussion clarifies that it's about providing perspective rather than directly fixing leaders. Kurt shares inspiring stories of cultural transformation in wards, emphasizing the role of Zion Builders in fostering these changes. Don't miss the chance to learn about the benefits of becoming a member and how to get involved!

Dec 10, 2025 • 0sec
Why Ward Goals Matter | An Interview with Blake Erickson
Blake Erickson is the co-founder of Scaling.com, a company dedicated to helping entrepreneurs scale bigger and faster than they ever thought possible. He is the co-author of the New York Times best-selling book The Science of Scaling, and a highly sought-after keynote speaker specializing in guiding companies and individuals to achieve rapid growth and seemingly impossible goals. Blake resides in Utah with his amazing wife, Bre, and their two sons.
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Links
The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible
Scaling.com/Audiobook
The Science of Scaling Your Ward | An Interview with Benjamin Hardy
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community
Highlights
Blake discusses the importance of setting ambitious goals and the principles of effective leadership within the context of Latter-day Saint service. The conversation emphasizes how faith and intentionality can lead to significant results in both personal and church-related endeavors.
Key Insights
Goal Setting and Faith: Blake shares his experience of setting a seemingly impossible goal of 100 baptisms during his mission, illustrating how faith and ambition can drive success.
Identifying Key Indicators: He emphasizes the importance of recognizing patterns and indicators that lead to success, such as focusing on individuals who are genuinely interested in the gospel rather than spreading efforts too thin.
The Power of One: The discussion highlights that often, one person can make a significant impact, whether in a business or church setting, by inspiring others and driving collective progress.
Less is More: Blake advocates for the idea that achieving goals often requires doing less but with greater focus, rather than simply increasing activity levels.
Cultural Dynamics: The conversation touches on the need to challenge existing cultural norms that may hinder progress, encouraging leaders to empower all members to contribute actively.
Leadership Applications
Setting Clear Goals: Latter-day Saint leaders can adopt Blake’s approach by establishing clear, ambitious goals for their congregations, focusing on what truly matters to drive spiritual growth and engagement.
Fostering a Culture of Participation: Leaders should encourage all members to take initiative and share their insights, breaking down barriers that prevent individuals from stepping forward in service.
Prioritizing Key Activities: By identifying the most impactful activities and focusing efforts on those, leaders can enhance the effectiveness of their ministries, ensuring that resources are used wisely and results are maximized.
00:03:24 – Blake Erickson’s Mission Experience
00:04:10 – Shifting Focus on Mission Goals
00:05:06 – Learning from Missionary Work
00:06:58 – Identifying Key Indicators for Success
00:08:27 – Setting Goals and Expectations
00:10:18 – The Importance of Commitment
00:12:10 – Recognizing Progress and Indicators
00:14:10 – Communicating with Non-Progressing Individuals
00:15:02 – Applying Business Principles to Church Leadership
00:16:37 – Scaling the Church and Its Impact
00:18:50 – The Gospel as a Solution
00:20:49 – Manifesting Faith in Daily Life
00:21:00 – Expressing Desires to God
00:23:30 – The Importance of Ambition
00:25:32 – Balancing Church Responsibilities
00:26:58 – Navigating Life After the Mission
00:27:09 – Engaging with Elders Quorum Leadership
00:29:04 – Focusing on One Goal in the Ward
00:30:17 – The Power of Less and Different Approaches
00:32:02 – Identifying False Requirements
00:34:15 – The Impact of One Person
00:35:04 – Onboarding Others to a Common Goal
00:37:31 – Building Unity Through Shared Goals
00:38:31 – Cultural Dynamics in Church Leadership
The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.
Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.
Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

Dec 4, 2025 • 33min
Will Leading Saints Last?
Kurt Francom, the executive director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the challenges and responsibilities of leading a nonprofit organization within the Latter-day Saint community. He reflects on the need for support, the complexities of church culture, and the importance of individual leadership in building the Kingdom of God.
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Links
“I’m Not the Gatekeeper, I’m the Welcoming Committee” | An Interview with Kurt Brown
Being an Advocate for Those You Lead | An Interview with Robert Ferrell
Rallying the Ward Around Sacrament Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Ryan Webb
Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley
Young Men Can Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Skylar Haws
Zion Lab: LeadingSaints.org/Zion
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community
Highlights
Funding Challenges: Kurt discusses the difficulties of securing funding for Leading Saints, emphasizing the need for both small and large donations to sustain the organization’s mission.
Cultural Issues in the Church: He highlights the complexities of church culture, including the struggles of church leaders and members with faith crises, LGBT issues, and the need for a supportive community.
The Role of Individual Leadership: Kurt stresses that effective leadership is crucial for fostering a positive church culture, which can help individuals navigate their faith journeys and challenges.
Transformational Experiences: He believes that rather than providing formal training, Leading Saints focuses on creating transformational experiences that empower individuals to lead and make a difference in their communities.
Call to Action: Kurt invites listeners to engage with Leading Saints through initiatives like Zion Lab and becoming Zion Builders, emphasizing the collective effort needed to build Zion.
Leadership Applications
Encouraging Community Support: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster a culture of support by actively seeking and encouraging contributions from their communities, similar to how fans rally around a sports team.
Promoting Individual Initiative: Leaders should empower members to take initiative in their callings and personal faith journeys, recognizing that everyone can contribute to building the Kingdom of God, regardless of their formal position.
Creating Transformational Opportunities: Leaders can focus on providing experiences that inspire and uplift their congregations, rather than relying solely on traditional training methods, to cultivate a more engaged and resilient community.
00:01:08 – The Journey of Leading Saints
00:02:25 – The Role of an Executive Director
00:04:14 – The Need for Funding
00:05:57 – Articulating the Problem in Church Leadership
00:07:34 – The Complexity of Church Culture
00:09:11 – The Importance of Individual Action
00:10:51 – The Law of Consecration
00:12:19 – Building Zion and Community
00:14:10 – Connection to BYU Football
00:16:20 – Community Support for Leaders
00:17:01 – The Call for Support and Funding
00:19:14 – The Role of Leading Saints in Cultural Issues
00:21:23 – Transformational Experiences and Leadership
00:23:12 – Call to Action: Join the Zion Lab
00:25:00 – Becoming a Zion Builder
00:26:25 – Sponsoring Others and Seeking Larger Donors
00:29:11 – The Impact of Positive Culture in the Church
The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.
Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.
Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

Nov 26, 2025 • 30min
Ward Conference Best Practices | A Zion Lab Livestream
Ward conferences get a refreshing makeover as leaders discuss moving beyond traditional methods. They argue for the importance of genuine member feedback to enhance the experience. Innovative strategies like pre-conference events help engage the community. The emphasis shifts from meeting procedural requirements to nurturing spiritual unity. Leaders explore how to address both local needs and broader stake goals, fostering candid communication to strengthen relationships. Ultimately, the goal is to make each ward conference meaningful and uplifting.

Nov 23, 2025 • 0sec
Community with Covenant-Keeping LGBT Saints | An Interview with Jenn Curtis
Jenn Curtis, President of North Star, shares her journey reconciling her same-sex attraction with her commitment to the Latter-day Saints faith. She emphasizes the value of community support, describing how North Star creates a safe space for dialogue and understanding. Jenn advocates for curiosity over judgment in church discussions around LGBT topics, and highlights the transformative power of connection through conferences. Her honest reflections on marriage and personal choice illustrate the complexities many face within faith and identity.

Nov 18, 2025 • 0sec
Should Your Ward Try to Innovate? | An Interview with Roy Zwahlen
Roy Zwahlen, Chief Strategy Officer at the Eshelman Institute and author of Race to Innovation, dives into how innovation can transform church leadership. He argues that creativity should thrive within local wards and offers five principles to unlock potential among members. Roy shares insights on balancing structural constraints with innovative ideas, empowering diverse perspectives, and the importance of recognizing individual contributions. He also discusses how innovation can deepen discipleship and urges leaders to foster an environment where creativity flourishes.


