
Demand Efficiency
The show where we unpack the methods and tactics used to reduce CAC by the most efficient and fastest growing companies in tech. In each episode your host, Eli Rubel, founder of Matter Made, will evaluate how the best companies in the industry are driving down their cost to acquire while still achieving remarkable growth.
Latest episodes

Sep 30, 2020 • 24min
Thiago Sa Freire, CRO at Chorus.ai, shares lessons learned throughout his career and thoughts on customer centricity
Episode Outline[12:30] Lessons Thiago learned from door-to-door sales[15:10] How Thiago developed his growth mindset[18:30] The most influential people in Thiago’s career and what he learned from them[23:50] What Thiago is most excited about at Chorus[26:15] Thiago’s biggest challenge this year and where his focus is now[30:35] Thiago’s prediction for the future of sales[32:20] What Thiago does to blow off steamThiago’s InspirationsScott OlrichDave SimonPaul HamiltonSteve HallowellDan SpringersConnect with ThiagoLinkedInChorus.aiTwitter

Sep 23, 2020 • 25min
From 0-$12M ARR in 18 months with Jake Dunlap
Episode Outline[00:36] Jake’s background[02:50] How Jake scaled Glassdoor from 0 to almost 1M in MRR in under 16 months[04:00] Some of Jake’s early pitfalls and how he learned from them[08:28] Jake’s process for evaluating whether someone is a good fit for his team[11:02] Why Jake started his own firm[16:17] Don’t underinvest in process or infrastructure as you grow in scale[18:15] How Jake unwinds[18:44] How Jake works smart and efficientlyJake’s InspirationsClark BeacomConnect with JakeLinkedInWebsiteYoutubeInstagramTwitter

Sep 21, 2020 • 22min
Brett Plotzker, Co-founder and Chairman at Anagram, talks about the steps he took to grow Anagram to 3 million ARR quickly and raise 17M in funding
Episode Outline[00:59] Failures that helped shape Brett’s success at Anagram[03:13] What led to Brett founding Anagram[06:00] When Brett realized he had product market fit and could begin to scale the business[07:42] Subsequent steps after realizing they had a product that could sell[10:10] What Brett would have done differently[11:55] The importance of building out a referral network and advisory board[13:50] Brett’s advice for startups[15:50] Where Brett is at in his process of figuring out what’s next for him Brett’s InspirationsDan KuraniHari SundramAndy BrombergConnect with BrettLinkedInWebsiteTwitter

Sep 16, 2020 • 24min
Ahin Thomas, VP of Marketing at Backblaze, shares the unconventional ways he drives growth and why professional wrestling is America's purest form of storytelling
Episode Outline[01:10] How Backblaze accomplishes 90% inbound[06:00] The unconventional ways Ahin drove growth at Backblaze[09:23] The challenges of content marketing[12:27] Campaigns that did not pan out and what Ahin learned from them[16:23] The importance of having a unique view of value to share[19:20] How learning the mechanics of collaborative databases benefited Ahin’s career[20:35] Why Ahin thinks professional wrestling is America’s most important art form and purest form of storytelling we haveAhin’s InspirationsPatrick ConnollyVincent Kennedy McmahonConnect with AhinLinkedInWebsiteTwitter

Sep 14, 2020 • 26min
Rob Brewster shares lessons from the early growth trenches at Salesforce, Twilio, and Eloqua and what can be applied to startups sprinting to $10M ARR
Episode Outline[02:10] Most important lessons Rob has brought to GoFormz from former companies [04:00] How Rob motivates people and the challenges that come with motivating others[07:25] How Rob has been driving growth at GoFormz[11:53] Examples of sales advice Rob has given to help companies grow[17:50] The importance of understanding your customer base[20:08] Rob’s personal professional goals[21:30] How Rob unwindsRob’s InspirationsMark BickerstaffeBobby NapiltoniaMarc BenioffConnect with RobLinkedInWebsiteTwitter

Sep 9, 2020 • 26min
Evan Kohn on dialing the Inbound & Outbound growth mix at Pypestream
Episode Outline[00:49] Evan’s background[02:16] How Evan went from teaching to DOD consulting to SaaS startup[05:34] How Pypestream stands out and proves what conversational AI can achieve to large enterprises[11:19] The role of Chief Business Officer[12:18] The biggest challenge Pypestream is facing this year[15:15] Lessons Evan has learned on the way to where Pypestream is today[17:51] Pypestream’s most and least successful campaigns[22:30] How Evan unwindsEvan’s InspirationsAdrian SwinscoeHelen YuLucas WatsonConnect with EvanLinkedinWebsiteTwitter

Sep 8, 2020 • 25min
Walter Roth of Moment Sales on how to apply an engineering mindset to sales, compassion, and truth
Podcast Outline[00:48] Walter’s background[04:16] Common themes and mistakes Walter notices among founding teams when he starts working with them[05:40] What do First Principles mean in the context of sales?[07:30] How to apply an engineering mindset to sales, compassion, and truth[09:58] Becoming a better salesperson: The 3 W’s (Steve Browne)[15:10] Usually the biggest obstacle is oneself[23:36] How Walter unwindsConnect with WalterLinkedInWebsiteTwitter

Sep 3, 2020 • 23min
LeadCrunch CEO Olin Hyde on their unique pricing model and how it has helped them achieve industry-leading YoY growth.
Episode Outline[00:10] Olin’s background[01:14] How Olin knew when it was time to evolve between business models[05:27] Two important things you need to know to get a good customer profile[07:45] What Olin wishes he understood about starting a venture-backed company before starting LeadCrunch[10:46] Why Olin chose not to run a subscription model[18:19] How Olin unwinds Olin’s InspirationsTom PetersonGrady BurnettMarv LangstonConnect with OlinLinkedInTwitterWebsite

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Sep 1, 2020 • 23min
What did it take to grow Namely from $200k to 60M+ ARR? Michael Manne breaks down the learnings and advice he now gives to folks on their revenue journey.
Episode outline[00:40] How Michael went from 200K to 6M in ARR at Namely[03:26] The most challenging aspect of Michael’s first 6 months at Namely[04:55] The most important actions to take in developing a pricing strategy[07:54] The moment when Namely’s revenue motion and ICP fell into place [09:30] What Michael learned from the impressive board he worked with at Namely [11:24] Preconceptions Michael had and what he learned after experience [15:14] What got Michael excited about working with Orculus[16:58] Michael’s professional goals for the next 12 months [19:00] How Michael unplugs and rechargesMichael’s InspirationsScott ScherrMitchell DauermanMark RobergeCarl EschenbachConnect with MichaelLinkedInTwitter

Aug 27, 2020 • 29min
Sydney Sloan, SalesLoft CMO, on marketing trends and customer centricity
Podcast Outline[00:40] Sydney’s background[01:00] Trends in marketing right now[04:37] Gated versus ungated content in marketing[05:59] How Sydney’s team makes the decision whether to gate and request demos[10:10] How to know when to run an account-based strategy[12:13] Essentials for Series A and Series B companies[16:32] The role of CMO in increasing retention and how to ensure customer success[21:18] Sydney’s plans for personal development [24:21] How Sydney rechargesSydney’s InspirationsMichele DoroshowDon RossmooreBob Lewis Women in RevenueConnect with SydneyLinkedInTwitter
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