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Politicon brings the brilliant team of political and legal masterminds together for Politicon's #SistersInLaw.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
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Aug 7, 2024 • 40min
195: In The Hands Of The Voters with Marc Elias
Here is the first episode of Kim's new podcast Justice By Design, find it hereKim is joined by Marc Elias, the founder of Democracy Docket, about the importance of protecting voting rights and the challenges faced in doing so. They discuss the dangerous rhetoric of former President Donald Trump and the need to take his words seriously. They also highlight the barriers to voting, such as long wait times and gerrymandering, and the impact these have on marginalized communities. The conversation emphasizes the need for congressional legislation to protect voting rights and the importance of individuals speaking out and taking action.https://www.democracydocket.com/

Aug 3, 2024 • 57min
194: Nothing To See Here
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Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the plea deal with 9/11 mastermind KSM, differences between military tribunals and civilian courts, evidentiary issues that make it challenging to try Guantanamo prisoners, and the prisoner swap with Russia. Then, the #Sisters explain what happens now that Trump’s DC case has returned to Judge Chutkan, how to categorize presidential actions under the immunity decision, and the possible illegality of an Egyptian financial transfer to his campaign. They also sound the alarm over Project 2025’s assault on the bureaucracy and the danger of Trump reviving the executive order that created Schedule F.
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UN Guantanamo Report
Update on KSM’s Plea Deal
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Jul 27, 2024 • 60min
193: Screwed, Blued, and Tattooed
Get tickets for the #SistersInLaw Live Show in NYC on 9/20/24 at politicon.com/tour Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to explain how the courts are using Sections 203 and 208 of the Voting Rights Act to shut down Republican attempts to disenfranchise voters who need absentee ballots. Then, the #Sisters discuss Alvin Bragg’s response to Trump’s attempt to use the SCOTUS immunity decision to overturn his convictions, review why he should fail based on procedural default, and look ahead to when we can expect him to be sentenced. They also expose Trump’s support of Project 2025 and how a philosophy of Christian Nationalism lies behind its stated goals. Get your #SistersInLaw merchandise at politicon.com/merchWEBSITE & TRANSCRIPTEmail: SISTERSINLAW@POLITICON.COM or Thread to @sistersInLaw.podcastMentioned By The #Sisters:Lawfare explains footnote 3Get tickets for the #SistersInLaw Live Show in NYC on 9/20/24 at politicon.com/tour Get text updates from #SistersInLaw and Politicon. Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:Aura:Protect yourself and your loved ones online with a 14-day trial plus a check of your data to see if your personal information has been leaked when you go to aura.com/sistersWild Grain: Get $30 off and free croissants in every box when you start your subscription to delicious quick-bake artisanal pastries, pasta, and bread at wildgrain.com/sisters with promo code: SISTERSRhone:Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use SISTERS to save 20% at www.rhone.com/sistersGet Barb’s New Book: Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging AmericaBarb’s Book Tour Get More From #SistersInLawJoyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse SubstackJill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal PresidentKimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound NewsletterBarb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jul 20, 2024 • 1h
192: Everything Is Insane
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Joined by MSNBC’s Katie Phang, Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to explain Judge Cannon’s shocking dismissal of the Mar-A-Lago classified docs case, repudiate her decision based on precedent, and highlight her delay strategies and poor legal reasoning. Then the #Sisters game out Judge Chutkan’s next moves in Trump’s election interference prosecution after the SCOTUS’ immunity decision, emphasize the need for evidentiary hearings, and lay out the expected timeline. They also expose the Project 2025 plan to eliminate the DOE, discussing how it will reduce education quality, open our classrooms to the influence of religion and capital, and take essential programs away from students.
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Neal Katyal on the dismissal of Trump’s classified documents case
From Joyce on Project 2025’s impact on education
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Jul 13, 2024 • 1h 9min
191: Project 2025
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Kimberly Atkins Stohr hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss AOC’s introduction of articles of impeachment against Justices Thomas and Alito and the calls for the DOJ to open a criminal investigation into their abuses after Thomas’ free trip to Putin’s hometown came to light. Then, the #Sisters give an update on Senator Menendez’s corruption trial, explore whether there is Senatorial immunity, and review the strength of his possible defenses. They also break down the dangers of Project 2025, with an emphasis on the Heritage Foundation’s attempt to consolidate prosecutorial power in the hands of the federal government and the threat it poses to minority groups.
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iGen Politics Episode with Former Secretary of Defense Chris Miller
Jill on what the SCOTUS immunity decision would have meant for Nixon
From Joyce - The Project 2025 Columns Index
Project 2025
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Jul 6, 2024 • 57min
190: Immunity, Immunity, Immunity
Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to explain the majority opinion, concurrences, and dissents in the SCOTUS immunity decision, looking at what would have happened if the case had been decided in the Nixon era, the effect on Trump’s trials and the presidency, and the growing risk of despotism. Then, the #Sisters review recent rulings on social media moderation that kicked the ball back to the lower courts, breaking down the difference between a facial and applied legal challenge. They also review the impact of Chevron deference being overturned on our safety, health care, and democratic processes.Get your #SistersInLaw merchandise at politicon.com/merchWEBSITE & TRANSCRIPTEmail: SISTERSINLAW@POLITICON.COM or Thread to @sistersInLaw.podcastGet text updates from #SistersInLaw and Politicon. Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:Factor:Get 50% off your first box, plus 20% off your next box, of delicious, premium quality, ready-to-eat meals with code SIL50 at factormeals.com/sil50Aura:Protect yourself and your loved ones online with a 14-day trial plus a check of your data to see if your personal information has been leaked when you go to aura.com/sistersOsea Malibu:Get 10% off your order of clean beauty products from OSEA Malibu, with free samples and free shipping on orders over $60, when you go to oseamalibu.com and use promo code: SISTERSOlive & June:Get 20% off your mani system when you go to oliveandjune.com/sil and use promo code: SILHelix:Get up to 30% off all mattress orders and two free pillows for our listeners! Go to helixsleep.com/sisters Mentioned By The #Sisters:Barb on KBJ’s dissent in Snyder v. United StatesBarb on Trump’s legal future after the SCOTUS immunity decisionJill on what the SCOTUS immunity decision would have meant for NixonDahlia Lithwick on the gender dynamics on the Supreme CourtThe “Blackie The Cat” DecisionGet Barb’s New Book: Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging AmericaBarb’s Book Tour Get More From #SistersInLawJoyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse SubstackJill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal PresidentKimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound NewsletterBarb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 29, 2024 • 55min
189: Ejusdem Generis
Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the SCOTUS ruling in Fischer, which threw out obstruction charges faced by a J6 rioter, explain why it should not affect Trump’s case, and look ahead to the Court’s immunity decision. Then, the #Sisters cover the overturning of the Chevron deference doctrine, decode how it will impact our rights and the ability of Congress to enact legislation, and spell out how the decision reinforces the death of stare decisis. They also examine Julian Assange’s guilty plea to violating the Espionage Act at WikiLeaks, explore the similarities to Trump’s MAL case, and weigh whether Assange’s actions were an act of journalism relatable to publishing the Pentagon Papers.Get your #SistersInLaw merchandise at politicon.com/merchMentioned By The #Sisters:Project 2025’s Leadership & OrganizationJill With Daniel EllsbergWEBSITE & TRANSCRIPTEmail: SISTERSINLAW@POLITICON.COM or Thread to @sistersInLaw.podcastGet text updates from Politicon. Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:Wild Grain: Get $30 off and free croissants in every box when you start your subscription to delicious quick-bake artisanal pastries, pasta, and bread at wildgrain.com/sisters with promo code: SISTERSRhone:Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use SISTERS to save 20% at www.rhone.com/sistersHoneyLove:Get 20% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/sisters! #honeylovepodHelix:Get up to 30% off all mattress orders and two free pillows for our listeners! Go to helixsleep.com/sisters Get Barb’s New Book: Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging AmericaBarb’s Book Tour Get More From #SistersInLawJoyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse SubstackJill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal PresidentKimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound NewsletterBarb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 22, 2024 • 1h 11min
188: Apologia
Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to mourn the 2-year anniversary of Dobbs, alert us to the growing threats to our rights, and tear into Lousiana’s law that puts the 10 Commandments in classrooms. In the #Sisters analysis, they explain why precedent, the intentions of the Framers, and the Establishment Clause all point to the law’s rejection pending a ruling on the ACLU’s challenge. Then, they discuss the US v. Rahimi SCOTUS decision, why there were so many different opinions despite an 8-1 ruling, and how the decision affects gun laws with an in-depth exploration of how the court operates. They also settle the current debate over whether Alvin Bragg tried Trump correctly and debunk the disinformation around the validity of the conviction.Get your #SistersInLaw merchandise at politicon.com/merchWEBSITE & TRANSCRIPTEmail: SISTERSINLAW@POLITICON.COM or Thread to @sistersInLaw.podcastGet text updates from #SistersInLaw and Politicon. Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:HelloFresh:Get farm-fresh, pre-portioned ingredients and seasonal recipes from HelloFresh with a free appetizer item per box for life with code: SISTERSAPPS at hellofresh.com/sistersappsLolaVie:Get 15% off LolaVie with the code: SIL at https://www.lolavie.com/SIL #lolaviepodCalm:Perfect your meditation practice and get better sleep with 40% off a premium subscription when you go to calm.com/sisters OneSkin:Get 15% off OneSkin with the code: SISTERS at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodMentioned By The #Sisters:From Barb debunking myths around Trump’s convictionFrom Joyce on this week’s SCOTUS rulings and what comes nextSCOTUSblogGet Barb’s New Book: Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging AmericaBarb’s Book Tour Get More From #SistersInLawJoyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse SubstackJill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal PresidentKimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound NewsletterBarb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 15, 2024 • 1h 12min
187: Loose Lips & Secret Trips
Kimberly Atkins Stohr hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss Hunter Biden’s conviction, the validity of evidence from the laptop, Joe’s response, the sentencing process, and if an appeal might lead to the loosening of gun restrictions. Then, the #Sisters examine the SCOTUS rulings on mifepristone and bump stocks, looking at why the Justices ruled the way they did and how standing affects which cases come before the court. They also cover recent recordings of Justice Alito and his wife that point toward a religious bias that might merit future recusal, Justice Thomas’ acceptance of more lavish gifts, and what it will take to bring ethics back to the court.Get your #SistersInLaw merchandise at politicon.com/merchWEBSITE & TRANSCRIPTEmail: SISTERSINLAW@POLITICON.COM or Thread to @sistersInLaw.podcastGet text updates from #SistersInLaw and Politicon. Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:HelloFresh:Get farm-fresh, pre-portioned ingredients and seasonal recipes from HelloFresh with a free appetizer item per box for life with code: SISTERSAPPS at hellofresh.com/sistersappsBlueland:For 15% off your order of green cleaning products, go to blueland.com/sistersThrive Causemetics:For 10% off incredible clean and cause-focused beauty products, go to thrivecausemetics.com/sistersAura:Protect yourself and your loved ones online with a 14-day trial plus a check of your data to see if your personal information has been leaked when you go to aura.com/sistersMentioned By The #Sisters:From Kim on the differences between Hunter Biden's and Donald Trump's convictionsHow standing determines cases before the Supreme CourtGet Barb’s New Book: Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging AmericaBarb’s Book Tour Get More From #SistersInLawJoyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse SubstackJill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal PresidentKimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound NewsletterBarb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 8, 2024 • 1h 12min
186: Let’s Get This Ex Parte Started
Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the status of Trump’s gag order after the guilty verdict, Judge Cannon’s consideration of the constitutionality of the special counsel statute and other trial delays, the effect of continuing attacks on Fani Willis, and charges brought in Wisconsin for the fake elector scheme. Then, the #Sisters examine the felony gun possession trial of Hunter Biden by outlining the legal strategies being used by both sides and weighing the impact of witness testimony. They also cover the anti-DEI injunction targeting the Fearless Fund’s support of black women business owners and explain why similar grants should be protected by the Constitution.Get your #SistersInLaw merchandise at politicon.com/merchWEBSITE & TRANSCRIPTEmail: SISTERSINLAW@POLITICON.COM or Thread to @sistersInLaw.podcastGet text updates from #SistersInLaw and Politicon. Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:Factor:Get 50% off your first box, plus 20% off your next box, of delicious, premium quality, ready-to-eat meals with code SIL50 at factormeals.com/sil50OneSkin:Get 15% off OneSkin with the code: SISTERS at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodOsea Malibu:Get 10% off your order of clean beauty products from OSEA Malibu, with free samples and free shipping on orders over $60, when you go to oseamalibu.com and use promo code: SISTERSAura Frames:With Father’s Day coming up, showcase your favorite memories and get $30 off on their best-selling digital frame at auraframes.com with the code: SISTERSMentioned By The #Sisters:From Joyce on charges brought for the fake elector scheme in WisconsinFrom Kim on diversity in venture capitalCNN profile of Judge CannonMSNBC on Republican calls to prosecute DemocratsMyths about Trump’s convictionGet Barb’s New Book: Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging AmericaBarb’s Book Tour Get More From #SistersInLawJoyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse SubstackJill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal PresidentKimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound NewsletterBarb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC


