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Politicon brings the brilliant team of political and legal masterminds together for Politicon's #SistersInLaw.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
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Jun 29, 2024 • 55min
189: Ejusdem Generis
Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the SCOTUS ruling in Fischer, which threw out obstruction charges faced by a J6 rioter, explain why it should not affect Trump’s case, and look ahead to the Court’s immunity decision. Then, the #Sisters cover the overturning of the Chevron deference doctrine, decode how it will impact our rights and the ability of Congress to enact legislation, and spell out how the decision reinforces the death of stare decisis. They also examine Julian Assange’s guilty plea to violating the Espionage Act at WikiLeaks, explore the similarities to Trump’s MAL case, and weigh whether Assange’s actions were an act of journalism relatable to publishing the Pentagon Papers.
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Jill With Daniel Ellsberg
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Jun 22, 2024 • 1h 11min
188: Apologia
Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to mourn the 2-year anniversary of Dobbs, alert us to the growing threats to our rights, and tear into Lousiana’s law that puts the 10 Commandments in classrooms. In the #Sisters analysis, they explain why precedent, the intentions of the Framers, and the Establishment Clause all point to the law’s rejection pending a ruling on the ACLU’s challenge. Then, they discuss the US v. Rahimi SCOTUS decision, why there were so many different opinions despite an 8-1 ruling, and how the decision affects gun laws with an in-depth exploration of how the court operates. They also settle the current debate over whether Alvin Bragg tried Trump correctly and debunk the disinformation around the validity of the conviction.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Barb debunking myths around Trump’s conviction
From Joyce on this week’s SCOTUS rulings and what comes next
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Jun 15, 2024 • 1h 12min
187: Loose Lips & Secret Trips
Kimberly Atkins Stohr hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss Hunter Biden’s conviction, the validity of evidence from the laptop, Joe’s response, the sentencing process, and if an appeal might lead to the loosening of gun restrictions. Then, the #Sisters examine the SCOTUS rulings on mifepristone and bump stocks, looking at why the Justices ruled the way they did and how standing affects which cases come before the court. They also cover recent recordings of Justice Alito and his wife that point toward a religious bias that might merit future recusal, Justice Thomas’ acceptance of more lavish gifts, and what it will take to bring ethics back to the court.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Kim on the differences between Hunter Biden's and Donald Trump's convictions
How standing determines cases before the Supreme Court
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 8, 2024 • 1h 12min
186: Let’s Get This Ex Parte Started
Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the status of Trump’s gag order after the guilty verdict, Judge Cannon’s consideration of the constitutionality of the special counsel statute and other trial delays, the effect of continuing attacks on Fani Willis, and charges brought in Wisconsin for the fake elector scheme. Then, the #Sisters examine the felony gun possession trial of Hunter Biden by outlining the legal strategies being used by both sides and weighing the impact of witness testimony. They also cover the anti-DEI injunction targeting the Fearless Fund’s support of black women business owners and explain why similar grants should be protected by the Constitution.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Joyce on charges brought for the fake elector scheme in Wisconsin
From Kim on diversity in venture capital
CNN profile of Judge Cannon
MSNBC on Republican calls to prosecute Democrats
Myths about Trump’s conviction
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Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America
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Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 1, 2024 • 1h 54min
185: Live In Boston: Verdict Day
Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw live in Boston to review the charges in Manhattan that resulted in 34 guilty verdicts against Trump, untangle the five crimes jurors could use to justify their vote, and explain the appeals and sentencing process. Then, the #Sisters expose the flaws in SCOTUS oversight and ethics by laying out the breaches of Justices Alito, Thomas, and their wives, exploring the potential of putting the court on the ballot, term limits, and congressional oversight to restore faith in the institution. They also discuss Judge Cannon’s denial of Jack Smith’s gag order and her delaying actions in the MAL case before taking questions on everything from election certification to women’s rights after Dobbs.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Rep. Raskin on SCOTUS oversight
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Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America
Barb’s Book Tour
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Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

May 25, 2024 • 1h 6min
184: That’s Not How A Waiver Works. You Don’t Wave It
Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the threat to voting rights posed by the SCOTUS opinions in a South Carolina gerrymandering case and how Justice Alito’s actions have undermined the credibility of the court’s ethics code. Then, the #Sisters lay out the end game in Trump’s Manhattan trial, review the guidelines for executing a search warrant, untangle Judge Cannon’s latest delays, and consider Fani Willis’ appeal of dismissed charges in the Fulton County case. They also explain the DOJ antitrust suit targeting Live Nation’s Ticketmaster monopoly and what a loss would mean for the company.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Kim on how Justice Alito makes the Supreme Court a threat to democracy
From Joyce on Justice Alito’s opinion in Alexander v. South Carolina State Conference of the NAACP
Robert Hubbell’s Substack on racial gerrymandering
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Get More From #SistersInLaw
Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

May 18, 2024 • 58min
183: Sometimes A Girl Needs A Nap
Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the believability of Michael Cohen’s testimony against Trump, weigh its effectiveness for the prosecution, and lay out the next steps of the trial. Then, the #Sisters explore the ethical ramifications of Justice Alito flying a flag in support of J6 in front of his home, lay out the case for his recusal in the upcoming presidential immunity trial, and call out the Republican lawmakers defending Trump at the Manhattan courthouse. They also review the SCOTUS’ decision to issue a stay in a Louisiana gerrymandering case, delineate racial and political gerrymandering, and explain how the Purcell principle applies.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Joyce on the effectiveness of Michael Cohen’s witness testimony
From Joyce on Justice Alito’s display of a ‘stop the steal’ symbol
Get Barb’s New Book:
Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America
Barb’s Book Tour
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Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

May 11, 2024 • 1h 38min
182: Live From Detroit
Kimberly Atkins Stohr hosts #SistersInLaw live in Detroit to discuss the effectiveness of Stormy Daniels’ testimony, what to expect when Michael Cohen takes the stand, and how the prosecution’s narrative is coming together in the election interference trial. Then, the #Sisters explain what’s behind the delays in Trump’s Florida and Georgia cases and if anything can be done to speed things up. They also look at the constitutional and national security issues raised in TikTok’s suit to prevent its forced sale before taking questions on everything from Supreme Court reform to the failure to charge Trump with insurrection.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Kim on the effectiveness of Stormy Daniels’ testimony
Get Barb’s New Book:
Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America
Barb’s Book Tour
Get More From #SistersInLaw
Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

May 4, 2024 • 1h 28min
181: Live From Chicago
Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw live in Chicago to share their takeaways from Trump’s election interference trial and review its evidence, witness testimonies, and potential verdicts. Then the #Sisters discuss Trump’s repeated violations of his gag order, the consequences so far, and whether his continued contempt of the court violates the conditions of his pretrial release. They also cover the revival of the Comstock Act and other threats to abortion rights after Dobbs, explore the legal patchwork of state restrictions, and take questions on everything from presidential immunity to SCOTUS ethics.
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May 9 - Detroit - Royal Oak Music Theatre
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Kim on how to handle Trump’s contempt for the courts
Get Barb’s New Book:
Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America
Barb’s Book Tour
Get More From #SistersInLaw
Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Apr 27, 2024 • 1h 8min
180: Tautology
Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to break down the key arguments made by the Supreme Court justices concerning Trump’s presidential immunity claims, explain the difference between private and official acts, and share how Jack Smith might speed up the trial. Then the #Sisters discuss the testimony of The National Enquirer’s David Pecker and other developments in the NY election interference case, before covering the surprise Arizona indictment targeting members of the Trump team that attempted to overturn the election. They also examine the legality of Idaho’’s abortion law, centering on its conflict with EMTALA and the relationship between state and federal laws.
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May 2 - Chicago - Athenaeum Center
May 9 - Detroit - Royal Oak Music Theatre
May 30 - Boston - Shubert Theatre
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WEBSITE & TRANSCRIPT
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Please Support This Week’s Sponsors:
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Kim on the SCOTUS’ immunity arguments
Get Barb’s New Book:
Attack From Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America
Barb’s Book Tour
Get More From #SistersInLaw
Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC


