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Politicon brings the brilliant team of political and legal masterminds together for Politicon's #SistersInLaw.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
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Aug 31, 2024 • 1h 1min
199: Jack's Back
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Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss Jack Smith's superseding indictment, why he used a new grand jury, how he reframed the charges to preserve each count, and his attempt to reinstate the MAL classified documents case against Trump. Then, the #Sisters lay out the scope of the Republican war on voting rights, looking at the push for increased documentation, how naturalized citizens are getting kicked off the voter rolls, and raids by Texas AG Paxton targeting Latino civil rights organizations. They also break down the Project 2025 plan to put the FBI under the jurisdiction of the executive branch and reflect on what it means for the rule of law.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Trump’s Court Brief
Jack Smith’s recent and previous indictments of Trump
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Aug 24, 2024 • 1h 21min
198: Comma La La La
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Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to celebrate Kamala’s nomination, explore her commitment to her values and the rule of law, and review the positions she’s taken on criminal justice issues on her journey from DA to presidential contender. Then, the #Sisters discuss voter disenfranchisement and suppression through the lens of a reinstated felony voter fraud conviction of a woman who didn’t know she wasn’t allowed to vote in Texas. They also explain the links between Trump and Project 2025’s plans for the Department of Defense, looking at how their adoption would undermine our military’s commitment to DEI, civil rights, and environmental responsibility.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Kamala questions Justice Kavanaugh
Pros and cons of felon disenfranchisement
Media Matter’s Project 2025 Guide
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Aug 17, 2024 • 50min
197: Post-Menopausal Females
The hosts dive into the impact of public perceptions on post-menopausal women and the need for better healthcare support. They tackle the alarming resurgence of restrictive abortion laws and how recent court battles affect women's rights. The discussion shifts to the dangers of AI, particularly its role in spreading disinformation and creating deep fakes in politics. Project 2025 is scrutinized, highlighting its potential implications for democracy. Personal anecdotes and light-hearted moments balance the serious themes, making for an engaging conversation.

Aug 10, 2024 • 56min
196: Don’t Hate Me ‘Cause You Ain’t Me
A DC judge's ruling against Google sparks discussions on antitrust and big tech monopolies. The legal team explores the consequences of guilty pleas from Jenna Ellis and a fake elector, relating them to Trump's status as an unindicted co-conspirator. They also dive into the complexities of military commissions versus civilian courts and the push to ban no-fault divorce. The conversation highlights the need for accountability in politics, especially regarding presidential pardons and their impact on democracy.

Aug 7, 2024 • 40min
195: In The Hands Of The Voters with Marc Elias
Here is the first episode of Kim's new podcast Justice By Design, find it here
Kim is joined by Marc Elias, the founder of Democracy Docket, about the importance of protecting voting rights and the challenges faced in doing so. They discuss the dangerous rhetoric of former President Donald Trump and the need to take his words seriously. They also highlight the barriers to voting, such as long wait times and gerrymandering, and the impact these have on marginalized communities. The conversation emphasizes the need for congressional legislation to protect voting rights and the importance of individuals speaking out and taking action.
https://www.democracydocket.com/

Aug 3, 2024 • 57min
194: Nothing To See Here
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Barb McQuade hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the plea deal with 9/11 mastermind KSM, differences between military tribunals and civilian courts, evidentiary issues that make it challenging to try Guantanamo prisoners, and the prisoner swap with Russia. Then, the #Sisters explain what happens now that Trump’s DC case has returned to Judge Chutkan, how to categorize presidential actions under the immunity decision, and the possible illegality of an Egyptian financial transfer to his campaign. They also sound the alarm over Project 2025’s assault on the bureaucracy and the danger of Trump reviving the executive order that created Schedule F.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
UN Guantanamo Report
Update on KSM’s Plea Deal
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Jul 27, 2024 • 60min
193: Screwed, Blued, and Tattooed
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Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to explain how the courts are using Sections 203 and 208 of the Voting Rights Act to shut down Republican attempts to disenfranchise voters who need absentee ballots. Then, the #Sisters discuss Alvin Bragg’s response to Trump’s attempt to use the SCOTUS immunity decision to overturn his convictions, review why he should fail based on procedural default, and look ahead to when we can expect him to be sentenced. They also expose Trump’s support of Project 2025 and how a philosophy of Christian Nationalism lies behind its stated goals.
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Lawfare explains footnote 3
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Jul 20, 2024 • 1h
192: Everything Is Insane
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Joined by MSNBC’s Katie Phang, Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to explain Judge Cannon’s shocking dismissal of the Mar-A-Lago classified docs case, repudiate her decision based on precedent, and highlight her delay strategies and poor legal reasoning. Then the #Sisters game out Judge Chutkan’s next moves in Trump’s election interference prosecution after the SCOTUS’ immunity decision, emphasize the need for evidentiary hearings, and lay out the expected timeline. They also expose the Project 2025 plan to eliminate the DOE, discussing how it will reduce education quality, open our classrooms to the influence of religion and capital, and take essential programs away from students.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Neal Katyal on the dismissal of Trump’s classified documents case
From Joyce on Project 2025’s impact on education
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Jul 13, 2024 • 1h 9min
191: Project 2025
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Kimberly Atkins Stohr hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss AOC’s introduction of articles of impeachment against Justices Thomas and Alito and the calls for the DOJ to open a criminal investigation into their abuses after Thomas’ free trip to Putin’s hometown came to light. Then, the #Sisters give an update on Senator Menendez’s corruption trial, explore whether there is Senatorial immunity, and review the strength of his possible defenses. They also break down the dangers of Project 2025, with an emphasis on the Heritage Foundation’s attempt to consolidate prosecutorial power in the hands of the federal government and the threat it poses to minority groups.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
iGen Politics Episode with Former Secretary of Defense Chris Miller
Jill on what the SCOTUS immunity decision would have meant for Nixon
From Joyce - The Project 2025 Columns Index
Project 2025
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jul 6, 2024 • 57min
190: Immunity, Immunity, Immunity
Jill Wine-Banks hosts #SistersInLaw to explain the majority opinion, concurrences, and dissents in the SCOTUS immunity decision, looking at what would have happened if the case had been decided in the Nixon era, the effect on Trump’s trials and the presidency, and the growing risk of despotism. Then, the #Sisters review recent rulings on social media moderation that kicked the ball back to the lower courts, breaking down the difference between a facial and applied legal challenge. They also review the impact of Chevron deference being overturned on our safety, health care, and democratic processes.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Barb on KBJ’s dissent in Snyder v. United States
Barb on Trump’s legal future after the SCOTUS immunity decision
Jill on what the SCOTUS immunity decision would have meant for Nixon
Dahlia Lithwick on the gender dynamics on the Supreme Court
The “Blackie The Cat” Decision
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