
#SistersInLaw
Politicon brings the brilliant team of political and legal masterminds together for Politicon's #SistersInLaw.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
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Aug 5, 2023 • 50min
142: Trump’s Third Arraignment
Legal expert Barb McQuade discusses Trump's election interference indictment and arraignment, campus sexual assault, and Alabama's anti-abortion legislation with a focus on constitutional issues and freedom of movement implications.

Jul 29, 2023 • 1h
141: The Election Interference Case
With ever more evidence piling up against Trump, Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to explain the rationale behind Jack Smith’s superseding indictment with further charges surrounding his and his team’s obstruction of ongoing investigations. Then, they discuss the collapse of Hunter Biden’s plea deal and what it might mean for the case before exploring the DOJ’s suit against Texas for its dangerous attempts to close the Rio Grande with barriers that could lead to loss of human life.
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Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jul 22, 2023 • 54min
140: Tell Our Jury
Jill Wine-Banks hosts the #SistersInLaw for a conversation about the many cases growing around Trump and the increasing likelihood he will face justice for J6 and other crimes. During it, they also discuss the Republicans' lawfare based attacks on DEI and affirmative action practices with an explanation of when race based considerations are viable and better for our society. They also cover E. Jean Carroll’s and Stormy Daniels’ further cases against Donald, and the issues that play a role in their quest to hold him accountable.
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More From The #Sisters:
From Kim on the racial aspects of J6 and GOP corporate culture
Photos of RBG & Lil’ Kim
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Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jul 15, 2023 • 1h 4min
139: Jack Smith: What Comes Next?
Kimberly Atkins Stohr leads the #SistersInLaw through a discussion about the latest developments in Jack Smith’s investigation of Trump and the additional indictments likely facing him. Then, they take on the expanding ethical concerns surrounding the SCOTUS and the necessity of restoring its reputation for the sake of the rule of law. From there, the #Sisters lay out the dangers of the deprivation to abortion access spreading throughout the country after Dobbs-- particularly, how it's affecting people from the military and across conservative states.
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For the Show notes from the #Sisters:
From Barb on the fizzling of the Hunter Biden whistleblower
From Joyce: Trump’s defense team is embarrassing itself in front of Jack Smith
Trump on Trial: A Model Prosecution Memo
Congressional Research Service
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jul 8, 2023 • 1h 11min
138: Decisions, Decisions
Hosted by Barb McQuade, the #SistersInLaw guide us through the recent civil rights challenge to legacy and donor admissions to colleges in the aftermath of the affirmative action decision. Then, they dive into the intricacies of the interaction between the government and social media companies with a focus on how it impacts national security, before looking at how the recent armed Obama stalker highlights the legal challenges to confronting the growing threat of political violence.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Movie Recommendation from Jill– A Most Beautiful Thing
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jul 1, 2023 • 1h 3min
137: SCOTUS Overload
Hosted by Joyce Vance, the #SistersInLaw review the demoralizing decisions emanating from the Supreme Court that shut down affirmative action and upheld discrimination by business on religious freedom grounds– despite strong and well written dissents by the liberal minority. Then, they take a look at the demise of independent state legislature theory and what that means for our legal system.
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From Joyce on the end of affirmative action
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Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 24, 2023 • 55min
136: How Many Fishing Jokes Can We Make?
#SistersInLaw fire off on the threats to the rule of law created when the independence of the DOJ is compromised and explain how dangerous it is for Republican candidates to preemptively offer Trump a pardon. Then, they lay out the ethical missteps of Justice Alito and the growing cause for SCOTUS oversight, before looking at the showdown between John Durham and Rep. Schiff.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
From Kim on the Trump pardons offered by Republican candidates
Rep. Schiff’s questioning of John Durham
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Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 17, 2023 • 60min
135: Donald’s Defense Debunked
#SistersInLaw dive into the validity of the various defense strategies Trump might use, and how being charged with violating The Espionage Act instead of the Presidential Records Act is so significant. Then, they look at the pitfalls and potential issues posed by Judge Cannon being the one to handle the case, and explain the Supreme Court’s recent reaffirmation of the Indian Child Welfare Act.
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CHILLED WATERMELON SOUP
One bowl contains 90 calories and almost zero fat.
Makes 4 servings.
1-inch piece ginger, peeled and finely chopped
1 tbsp brown sugar
2 limes: one for zest and both for juice
3 cups cubed and seeded watermelon
2 mint leaves, plus more for garnish
1/4 cup sparkling wine (or sparkling water)
In a small nonstick skillet, gently sauté ginger, sugar, and zest over medium heat 2 minutes. Add lime juice and simmer until no liquid remains. Transfer mixture to a blender and add watermelon, mint, and sparkling wine. Puree until smooth; strain with sieve into bowl. Chill soup at least 3 hours before serving. For a more elegant version: Divide soup into 2 equal portions. Freeze a portion for 3 hours to make a granité (a slushy of sorts) and chill remaining half for 3 hours. Scrape granité into 4 bowls and pour chilled soup over granité. Garnish with mint leaves; serve immediately.
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 10, 2023 • 59min
134: Donald Trump Indicted: Reverse King Midas
#SistersInLaw fill us in on Trump’s indictment by Jack Smith on felony charges and explain why the Espionage Act is involved. They also debate the significance of the crossover by conservative justices to uphold voting rights, before looking at a judge’s recent order striking down a drag show ban and the implications that laws targeting these performances have for the 1st Amendment.
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Mentioned By The #Sisters:
Indictment of Donald Trump
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Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jun 3, 2023 • 56min
133: Leguleian
#SistersInLaw analyze the latest disclosures coming out of Trump’s mishandling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, and why his big mouth might help the law finally find him. Then, they lay out the risks our campaign finance laws pose to our democratic values, share how Ron DeSantis might already be violating the important ones, and look into the articles of impeachment filed against Texas AG Ken Paxton– and supported by his own party.
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Skirl - This is the loud, wailing sound that bagpipes make
Quadragenarian: a person between 40 and 49 years of age
Argle-bargle: copious but meaningless talk or writing
Falsiloquence: deceitful speech
Vaniloquence: vain or foolish talk
Largiloquent: talkative; full of words
Kakorrhaphiophobia: fear of failure
Nudiustertian: the day before yesterday
Octothorpe: the pound sign (#)
Snickersnee: to engage in cut-and-thrust fighting with knives
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