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Nov 6, 2023 • 1h 19min

Decoding John Boyd: Unveiling the Complexity and Influence of His Theories with Shawn Callahan, PhD | Ep 54

Shawn Callahan, a Fellow Marine and expert on military strategist John Boyd's theories, sheds light on the significance of understanding orientation in Boyd's OODA loop. They also explore Boyd's impact on the Academy, his study of thermodynamics, and his influence on the Marine Corps. Shawn expresses concern over the reduction of Boyd's theories to mere dogma and advocates for a revision to restore his original intent.
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Nov 2, 2023 • 1h 15min

Theory of Constraints: Flow, TPS and Boyd's OODA Loop with Steve Holt | Ep 53

"Theory of Constraints, TPS, and Boyd's OODA Loop" features guest Steve Holt, a Technical Fellow at Boeing. The podcast covers the influence of TOPGUN on John Boyd's thinking, Boyd's E-M Theory and its impact on aircraft design, and the critical analysis of the Theory of Constraints. The conversation also touches on the concept of inherent simplicity in managing a system's performance. Topics like flow systems in fulfillment centers, tempo and choosing constraints, and the application of these theories to different systems are explored. The importance of involving people in decision-making and the connections between Theory of Constraints, OODA Loop, and flow are also discussed.
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Oct 30, 2023 • 1h 23min

Constraints, Context, Complexity, and Culture with Alicia Juarrero, PhD | Ep 52

Alicia Juarrero, expert in organizational dynamics and complexity theory, discusses the interdependencies, coherence, and constraints within organizations. The podcast explores topics such as thermodynamics, orientation, observation, and the brain's predictive constraints. It also delves into the dangers of social media algorithms and discusses current events and the speakers' upcoming trip to Washington, D.C.
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Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 4min

The Triple Helix of Flow: The Flow System Playbook with John Turner, PhD and Nigel Thurlow | Ep 51

In this podcast, Ponch talks with John Turner, PhD and Nigel Thurlow about the upcoming Flow System Playbook. They discuss the importance of applying the methods and techniques of the Flow System to unique contexts and how their diverse backgrounds have shaped the playbook. They delve into the Triple Helix of Flow and its role in achieving flow through complexity thinking, distributive leadership, and team science. The discussion also covers the significance of organizational coaching, distributed leadership, and the wealth of knowledge contained within the playbook.
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Oct 19, 2023 • 1h 28min

Red Teaming with Colonel (Ret.) Steven Rotkoff

Former director of the U.S. Army’s “Red Team University” Steve Rotkoff discusses the principles of Red Teaming and its application beyond warfare. Topics include cognitive diversity, software, social media, telecommunications, and international policy schools.
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Oct 16, 2023 • 60min

Wargaming: Building Adaptive Leadership Capability with Ian Brown

Send us a textReady for a mental workout that will leave you with a deeper understanding of maneuver warfare, wargaming, and strategic thinking? Buckle up as we delve into the influential work of John Boyd, the man behind OODA Loop, and his significant impact on the US Marines. Our guest, the author of "New Conception of War, John Boyd, the US Marines and Maneuver Warfare," shares his insights on Boyd's contributions and the challenges of institutionalizing maneuver warfare.We also traverse the captivating realm of wargaming, discussing its role in enhancing decision-making skills and understanding complex s environments. The conversation touches upon the potential misuse of war games, the importance of clear objectives, and the varying interpretations of the Millennium Challenge 2002 war game led by General Paul K Van Riper. Whether you are well-versed in military tactics or a novice, the insights in this discussion will change the way you view strategic decision-making.Rounding off our intellectual expedition, we explore the potential pitfalls of wargaming and how these can be sidestepped by ensuring everyone has a thorough understanding of the game's purpose. Plus, we reflect on how war gaming could be a game-changer in developing the habit of decision-making and equipping individuals for complex circumstances. So, if you’re ready to revolutionize your strategic thinking, this episode is a must-listen.A New Conception Of War: John Boyd, The U.S. Marines and Maneuver Warfare by Ian Brown A New Conception of War PDF The John Boyd Primer by Ian BrownNWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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Oct 7, 2023 • 43min

Flow: Reimagining Agile (WAF 2023 Panel: Hendrickson, Kerievsky, Kleiner, Denning, Kern)

Send us a textReady to unlock the potential of flow and examine the future of Agile? This episode promises to immerse you in a captivating discussion with our guests Chet Hendrickson, Steve Denning,  Jon Kern,  Joshua Kerievsky, and Mirko Kleiner, as we collectively navigate the realms of management, safety, human-centered design, and cognitive diversity. We take a deep dive into the essence of safety in eXtreme Programming (XP) and Agile, emphasizing its critical role in achieving optimized performance. Prepare for an insightful dissection of the status quo as we learn from the Hyatt housekeepers' innovative solutions to everyday problems.Thriving in any industry requires a keen understanding of its evolution.  Imagine a future where mental health, psychological safety, and lifestyle habits such as food, exercise, and sleep converge to create a conducive environment for change. This episode is designed to push the boundaries of your thinking and awaken your curiosity as we explore Agile beyond the traditional "echo chamber."To wrap things up, we cast a speculative look at Agile management's impact on CEOs and the future of businesses. Brace yourselves as we dive headfirst into the sea of artificial intelligence, assessing both the potential benefits and the risks involved. We envision what a multi-dimensional reimagination of management would look like and speculate on the implications of such a drastic change in business schools. With the aim to spark a revolution in your mind, we unravel the concept of an agile organization, from human factors to implementation, and consider the potential of 20% of firms to put the bottom 80% out of business. Are you ready to reimagine the future of agility and management with us? Let's get started!Steve Denning Joshua KerievskyMirko KleinerChet Hendrickson Jon Kern Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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Oct 4, 2023 • 36min

Dr. Delia McCabe and Pete Behrens: Neuroscience & Leadership in the Age of AI (World Agility Forum 2023)

Send us a textReady to journey into the fascinating intersection of neuroscience, leadership, and AI? We promise insights that will transform your understanding of leadership coaching in an AI-dominated era. Join us as our esteemed guests, Dr Delia McCabe and Pete Barron, guide us through complex topics such as handling information overload, the potential of generative AI in the job market, and the paradoxical behaviour of individuals indulging in harmful activities despite awareness of their risks. What happens when leaders miscalculate and dismiss their subordinates? How does our brain function in leadership roles? Our in-depth conversation takes a critical turn as we probe these significant questions and more. We share valuable tips on establishing boundaries for mental well-being. Additionally, we navigate the role of dopamine hits for stress reduction and the intriguing dynamics of our PFCs as the day progresses. And guess what? We don't stop there.We explore the future of learning and creativity in an AI-driven world. We also inspect how businesses are adopting remote work and gatherings intentionally. Discover the importance of clear goal setting and optimizing brain neurology for productivity from our experts. Reflect on the influence of AI on creativity, innovation, leadership, and decision-making. It's an episode loaded with novel insights that are too enticing to miss. So, are you ready to redefine your perspective? Tune in and let the exploration begin!Dr. Delia McCabe on LinkedInPete Behrens on LinkedIn World Agility Forum Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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Sep 28, 2023 • 34min

Sonja Blignaut & Nigel Thurlow: Human Factors in the Age of AI (World Agility Forum 2023)

Send us a textPrepare to have your mind expanded as we journey through the intricate relationship of complexity and AI in the ever-evolving world of business. Join our esteemed guests, Nigel Thurlow and Sonja Blignaut, as we confront the inescapable realities of uncertainty and ambiguity that loom in our world. We delve into the rise of what Thurlow labels as "bullshit jobs," and the importance of understanding our environment, relationships, and human factors in this era of AI. This discussion is not just enlightening; it's a stepping stone in unraveling the enigma that is complexity.As we navigate this uncharted territory, we examine the impact of social media, the desire for instant gratification, and the influence of machine learning algorithms on our behavior and workplaces. We also bring to light strategies to face these challenges and encourage adaptability and changeability. This isn't a survival guide for the digital age; it's a compass to guide us through the labyrinth of the modern world.Lastly, we contemplate the implications of AI and automation on our lives, from the encroaching dominance of AI over routine jobs to the possibility of a future where AI can detect non-value-added activity. As we take a step back to observe our obsession with TikTok and our dwindling attention spans, we consider what it means to maintain our humanness. In a world that's constantly changing, we explore the themes of responsibility, accountability, and perception, and how viewing reality from different angles can shape our future. Join us on this enlightening journey and see the world through a new lens.World Agility Forum Sonja BlignautNigel Thurlow The Flow System Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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Sep 24, 2023 • 40min

Befriending Complexity: Agile, Flow, and the Art of Wayfinding with Sonja Blignaut

Send us a textFrom Lisbon, Portugal, Brian "Ponch" Rivera sits down with Sonja Blignaut to discuss her upcoming talk at the World Agility Forum. Sonja shares her process of preparing for the talk and the challenges of navigating complexity in the Agile world. They also delve into the importance of embracing complexity instead of viewing it as a problem to be solved. Sonja shares her insights from her visit to the John Boyd archives and how it has influenced her understanding of perception and wayfinding. Sonja is the founder of More Beyond and co-founder of ComplexityFit. She is also the ex-CEO of Cognitive Edge (now The Cynefin Co). She is a globally sought-after teacher and speaker on topics related to Complexity, Cynefin, Waysfinding, and enabling Future- and Complexity Fitness. Sonja Blignaut on LinkedInMorebeyondComplexity FitWorld Agility Forum NWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...

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