

The TreppWire Podcast: A Commercial Real Estate Show
The TreppWire Podcast, A CRE Show
Leveraging Trepp’s market expertise and proprietary data sets, The TreppWire Podcast enables listeners to stay up-to-date on all things commercial real estate, structured finance and banking.
Featuring Trepp subject matter experts and guests from across the industry, the weekly podcast explores how recent events have impacted both the markets and the daily lives of market participants.
Questions or comments? Please contact us at podcast@trepp.com.
Featuring Trepp subject matter experts and guests from across the industry, the weekly podcast explores how recent events have impacted both the markets and the daily lives of market participants.
Questions or comments? Please contact us at podcast@trepp.com.
Episodes
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Mar 25, 2023 • 47min
188. Volatility Up, Liquidity Down for Banks & CRE; Office Turmoil; Restructuring Program Needs?
This week, the Fed raised interest rates amid concerns over bank liquidity. In this episode, we dive into what the Fed decision means for bank securities holdings, explain the FHA/deposit insurance model, and ask the question, “can the Fed fight both inflation and contagion?” In other news, there were large layoffs this week and a lot of negative news for office. Lastly, the team debates the proposal for bank regulators to reestablish CRE troubled debt restructuring programs. (And finally, happy 3rd anniversary to The TreppWire Podcast!) Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Fed decision, CS buyout, more banking news (0:23)
• Interest rate hike and impact on banks (12:04)
• FDIC and FHA/deposit insurance debate (15:33)
• Big layoffs this week (21:32)
• Bad times for office (23:26)
• Emergency measures for distressed CRE debt(32:04)
• Shoutouts (41:23)

Mar 17, 2023 • 53min
187. Holding Pattern for CMBS Lenders; Cash is King for Banks; Liquidity, Anyone?
This week, Trepp’s Managing Director, Matt Anderson joins the team to break down the banking market turbulence after the failure of Silicon Valley Bank and the takeover of Signature Bank by regulators. In this episode, we examine how and why this happened and what came next for other banks and their stocks. We discuss the liquidity position of banks and the current holding pattern for CMBS lenders as lending and issuance dry up. In CRE news, we dive into several office stories that represent continued challenges for the market. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• What happened with banks this week? (0:23)
• Signature Bank’s NY CRE Exposure (13:32)
• Small bank failures to come? (16:50)
• Deposits leaving banks (20:49)
• Contagion to other banks (21:28)
• CRE lending and CMBS issuance (24:52)
• Unrealized losses (37:09)
• CRE stories: more bad news for office (44:45)
• Shoutouts (49:03)
See our banking news monitor here: https://www.trepp.com/banking-news-monitor
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Mar 10, 2023 • 41min
186. CMBS Spread Widening: Buying Opportunity or Trouble Coming?; Flurry of Office News
In this week's episode, we dive into the market reaction that followed Fed Chair Powell’s comments, the high stakes that surround the latest jobs data, and a proposed budget. We talk about soaring CMBS spreads and if the widening represents a buying opportunity or a sign of trouble coming for the industry. Then in CRE, we have a flurry of office crabgrass (and a few green shoots) to share. Stick around to hear our take on water cooler data and betting on WWE... Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
Market reactions this week (0:23)
CMBS spreads soaring (9:45)
Loans paying off on their maturity date (13:56)
Return to office (15:39)
Dumping of office space: Amazon (18:30)
Flurry of negative office news (21:04)
Office green shoots (33:25)
Programming notes (33:40)
Shoutouts (35:10)
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Mar 8, 2023 • 41min
185. Making Sense of $30 Trillion in Bills, A Debt Ceiling Clock, & QT with Danielle DiMartino Booth
We may not be fluent in Fed Chair Jerome Powell, but in this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we found an expert who is.
Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO & Chief Strategist of Quill Intelligence, economist, and former Federal Reserve insider joins the team to make sense of the Fed Chair’s comments coming off the heels of the Senate Banking Committee meeting.
We talk about the size of US debt, quantitative tightening, interest rates and Qe2, and how this all can impact commercial real estate. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Danielle DiMartino Booth intro (0:23)
• Making sense of Fed Chair Powell’s comments (3:30)
• Has the Fed been wobbly? (5:50)
• You switch seats with J. Powell? What do you do differently? (9:46)
• How will the average CRE owner or lender be impacted? (11:18)
• Size of US debt: is it a ‘Black Swan’ event? (13:57)
• Quantitative tightening not being priced like it used to (16:20)
• Buyers’ remorse… is there more to come? (19:05)
• Can we quantify how high rates would be in other scenarios? (21:40)
• What would trigger a 2006/2007 event? (24:15)
• Industrial reaching inflection point (27:45)
• Biggest risks for CRE (29:55)
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Find Danielle: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/
https://twitter.com/DiMartinoBooth
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Mar 3, 2023 • 48min
184. Good News is Hard to Find: Delinquency Jumps, Sublease Siege, Massive Trading Alert
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, it is hard to find good news. Amid treasury yield increases, economic data, consumer confidence, and retail earnings, there are negative signs all around. In commercial real estate, we report on the CMBS delinquency rate posting its second-largest increase since the start of the pandemic, discuss office obsolescence, and dive into a massive trading alert surrounding a large multifamily loan. We also examine data for hotel markets across the US, life insurance mortgage returns, and more. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Economic news and data to watch(0:23)
• Housing market and jobs(5:28)
• Retail earnings (8:01)
• CMBS delinquency report, rate jumps (13:02)
• Massive trading alert: large multifamily loan (16:20)
• Retail stories (25:30)
• Industrial story (29:43)
• Office obsolescence (31:26)
• Office stories: sublease siege (33:52)
• Hotels (38:59)
• Life insurance commercial mortgage returns(43:19)
• Shoutouts (44:37)

Feb 24, 2023 • 43min
183. Mixed Economic & Earnings Messages, Signs of Stagflation – What Does it Mean for CRE?
In this week's episode, there is a lot of news to digest. To start, we review economic results, Fed minutes, geopolitical tension, and company earnings that are revealing mixed messages and signs of stagflation and examine what the impact will be on CRE. In property-type news, we dive into several stories to watch for office and retail and share news for hotels. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Geopolitical tension, Fed minutes, economic results, earnings (0:23)
• Tech company news: Intel & Nvidia (13:50)
• Office return to work snags: Disney & Amazon (17:04)
• $1.7 billion office loan default (19:07)
• Banks’ office loans in danger (22:20)
• Office headlines (25:24)
• Retail stories (28:00)
• Hotel CRE news (36:15)
• Shoutouts (39:31)
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Feb 17, 2023 • 46min
182. Expiring Leases and Office Maturities, Multifamily Loan Moves, Healthy Travel Earnings
In this week's episode, we cover the latest jobs and housing data, travel earnings, and share takeaways from the MBA CREF conference. We also talk about Brookfield’s defaults and office crabgrass, then share some large multifamily loan moves.
In case you missed it, Trepp and CompStak released a report examining office loan maturities and lease expirations. Trepp’s Director of Research, Stephen Buschbom, and, CompStak's Director of Real Estate Intelligence, Alie Baumann, talk through some of the findings. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Economic news of the week (0:23)
• Travel earnings (7:27)
• Negative stories: train derailment (9:19)
• MBA CREF conference takeaways (12:12)
• Office: construction; Brookfield defaults (16:16)
• Office crabgrass stories (25:31)
• Office loan maturities and lease expirations (27:40)
• Large multifamily loan stories (40:14)
• Shoutouts (42:38)
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Feb 10, 2023 • 49min
181. Hotels Roaring Back, Industrial Weakening, Tech Impact to Office
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine a few themes in commercial real estate: signs of improvement for the hotel market, a slowdown in industrial, and the impact of tech on the office sector. We also dive into the pricing of a new CMBS conduit deal, and cover some recent company earnings and what they mean for the markets at large. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Economic news (
• Company earnings (6:39)
• Bed Bath & Beyond
• CMBS Conduit Deal (14:01)
• CMBS conduit deal ~17
• Self-storage ~17:17
• Industrial (21:07)
• Hotels (22:50)
• Office green shoots (27:05)
• Office crabgrass (31:13)
• Shoutouts (45:14)
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Feb 2, 2023 • 51min
180. Seismic Shift in Office? Podcast Trading Alert, Multifamily Markets to Watch, Grocery Retail
In this week's episode, we present an inaugural Trading Alert recorded live on the podcast, where we dive into the news of a large real estate player handing back the keys to their office holdings and decide if it will cause a seismic shift in the CRE sector.
We talk multifamily markets to watch, delinquency rates revealing it’s not all doom and gloom, and many corporate announcements and earnings. Stay tuned for green shoots and crabgrass in office and a discussion about grocery-anchored retail. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
Economic news (0:23)
Confusing jobs story (7:55)
Corporate announcements (9:45)
Podcast Trading Alert: RXR Handing Back the Keys (12:30)
Redemptions (18:38)
Vornado writing down portfolio value (23:06)
Delinquency report (24:14)
Bed Beth & Beyond closing 87 more stores (28:22)
Office green shoots (33:33)
Crabgrass in office (35:43)
One person’s crab is another person’s green (38:58)
Multifamily markets to watch (41:14)
Grocery-anchored retail (43:37)
Shoutouts (47:33)
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Jan 27, 2023 • 52min
179. Bumpy Year Ahead, Loan Spreads in Volatile Times, Renters’ Bill of Rights & Multifamily Impact
In this week's episode, we are reviewing what looks like a bumpy year ahead for the economic markets. We talk about the prospect of national rent control, which has sent worries through the multifamily market, company earnings, housing news, and more tech layoffs (+ some company expansions).
In the CMBS market, we review historical loan spreads, which can provide a useful metric during volatile times, and talk about a conduit deal that priced this week. Stick around for office stories to watch, retail headlines, and a rare office-to-industrial conversion. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
- Economic update: the bumpy year ahead (0:23)
- Renters' Bill of Rights (3:27)
- Housing news (4:54)
- Earnings and tech layoffs (11:55)
- Companies raise wages and hire (16:20)
- Historical loan spreads (17:13)
- CMBS deal priced this week (20:48)
- Regal Cinemas and bankruptcy news (25:07)
- Office occupancy and work-from-home trends (29:35)
- Office CRE stories (33:23)
- Retail green shoots and crabgrass (42:17)
- How quickly do loans “workout" in special servicing(44:14)
- Shoutouts (46:11)
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