

The TreppWire Podcast: A Commercial Real Estate Show
The TreppWire Podcast, A CRE Show
Leveraging Trepp’s market expertise and proprietary data sets, The TreppWire Podcast enables listeners to stay up-to-date on all things commercial real estate, structured finance and banking.
Featuring Trepp subject matter experts and guests from across the industry, the weekly podcast explores how recent events have impacted both the markets and the daily lives of market participants.
Questions or comments? Please contact us at podcast@trepp.com.
Featuring Trepp subject matter experts and guests from across the industry, the weekly podcast explores how recent events have impacted both the markets and the daily lives of market participants.
Questions or comments? Please contact us at podcast@trepp.com.
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Nov 21, 2023 • 49min
228. Carmen Spinoso Proves There is Still Value in Many US Malls, With Spinoso Real Estate Group
Carmen Spinoso, CEO of Spinoso Real Estate Group, has over three decades in the shopping mall industry. He shares insights on the complexities of mall management and the importance of receivership in saving assets. Spinoso expresses optimism for mall revitalization, highlighting examples like Glenbrook Square and the rise of experiential retail, including unconventional attractions like pickleball. He discusses the challenges of leasing and maintaining tenant relationships, emphasizing the resilience of brick-and-mortar retail in today’s evolving marketplace.

Nov 17, 2023 • 47min
227. CPI Sends T-Yields Tumbling & REIT Shares Higher, But Retail CEOs Warn of Holiday Season
This week, a benign CPI reading sent Treasury yields plummeting and REIT shares higher and some big retail CEOs were saying beware of the holiday season. In this episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we make sense of the macro news and also analyze the latest on commercial real estate prices, dig into office and retail data, and examine criticized loans in the multifamily sector. Stick around if you’re a fan of Ambrosia. Tune in now.
This episode is sponsored by Spinoso Real Estate Group: https://spinosoreg.com/mall-investment-opportunity-and-operating-platform?utm_source=TreppWire&utm_medium=TreppWire+Digital+Content&utm_campaign=TreppWire+Oct+Nov+2023+Sponsorship
Episode Notes:
• Economic update (0:23)
• CRE prices (15:40)
• Negative office news this week (22:20)
• Office green shoots (30:09)
• Mixed-bag of retail news (32:54)
• Multifamily bank data (35:47)
• Shoutouts (39:00)
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Nov 9, 2023 • 46min
226. Rate Rally Hits Brick Wall; WeBroke; CMBS Deals Show Signs of Office & Hotel Lending Life
This week, it was all about interest rates... and what the Treasury market gives the Treasury market takes away. In this episode, we explain the rate rally and what it means for the commercial real estate market. We dive into our take on the WeWork bankruptcy, share new deal information that sheds light on hotel and office lending, and of course share a lot of office crab grass. We also have some hotel and multifamily news. Tune in now.
This episode is sponsored by Spinoso Real Estate Group: https://spinosoreg.com/mall-investment-opportunity-and-operating-platform?utm_source=TreppWire&utm_medium=TreppWire+Digital+Content&utm_campaign=TreppWire+Oct+Nov+2023+Sponsorship
Episode Notes:
• Market update (0:23)
• WeWork (8:31)
• Office green shoots (17:56)
• Office crab grass (23:13)
• Multifamily (31:15)
• Hotel news (35:24)
• October loan payoff report (38:15)
• Shoutouts (40:35)
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Nov 7, 2023 • 32min
225. Multifamily Market Update, Where are the Opportunities Now? With Matthew Frazier, Jones Street
Matthew Frazier, CEO of Jones Street Investment Partners, joins the podcast to discuss the multifamily market. He highlights the Northeast market as a contrarian focus and explores the shifts that have occurred in the last two years. The impact of remote work on multifamily is analyzed, along with the flip in interest rates and rent growth. Frazier shares insights on playing offense or defense in the current market and discusses indicators of relative value. Other topics include multifamily maturities, commercial real estate pressure points, and where the opportunities lie in CRE. The conversation also touches on insurance costs and the benefits of vertical integration. The strength of the Boston real estate market and its university ecosystem are explored, along with the personal significance of Joan Street and the creation of opportunities.

Nov 2, 2023 • 47min
224. Markets U-Turn as Treasury Yields & Risk Spreads Tumble; Mall Optimism; Bay Area Office Pain
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine the market U-turn that the industry watched as treasury yields and risk spreads tumbled. We dive into new deals, our CMBS delinquency report and a large industrial loan that caused a spike in that rate, REIT earnings and some optimism from mall CEOs, and more pain for the Bay Area office market. Tune in now.
This episode is sponsored by Spinoso Real Estate Group: https://spinosoreg.com/mall-investment-opportunity-and-operating-platform?utm_source=TreppWire&utm_medium=TreppWire+Digital+Content&utm_campaign=TreppWire+Oct+Nov+2023+Sponsorship
Episode Notes:
• Economic update: Fed decision, spreads & rates (0:23)
• CRE deals announced (11:22)
• CMBS delinquency report (14:50)
• REIT earnings and mall CEOs (21:31)
• Retail stories (28:47)
• Office news (31:30)
• Industrial story (41:28)
• Shoutouts (43:12)
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Oct 25, 2023 • 45min
223. Mixed Economic News Ahead of Fed Decision, Strong GDP, Silver Linings in CRE Issuance
In this week’s episode, we break down the recent economic news including GDP, budget deficit, and stock moves ahead of the Fed's interest rate decision next week. In CRE, we find some silver linings from mall and hotel loan issuance. Then, we have green shoots and crab grass for office, hotels, and industrial. Tune in now.
This episode is sponsored by Spinoso Real Estate Group: https://spinosoreg.com/mall-investment-opportunity-and-operating-platform?utm_source=TreppWire&utm_medium=TreppWire+Digital+Content&utm_campaign=TreppWire+Oct+Nov+2023+Sponsorship
Episode Notes:
• Economic update (0:23)
• CRE deals (9:48)
• Office green shoots (14:07)
• Office crab grass (17:07)
• Retail headlines (26:43)
• Hotels news (30:32)
• Student housing green shoot (35:53)
• Industrial (36:33)
• Shoutouts (39:25)
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Oct 20, 2023 • 1h 1min
222. Mall Green Shoots Offset by Miserable Office Headlines; New Lending Comps
In this week’s episode, after analyzing the continued market volatility, we dig into some commercial real estate lending comps and the data behind the loans. We have a lot of news in office and retail – forming a dichotomy, sharing several green shoots for malls and even more crabgrass for the office sector. We break down stories about WeWork, value reductions, new leases, and close with a big multifamily headline. Tune in now.
This episode is sponsored by Spinoso Real Estate Group: https://spinosoreg.com/mall-investment-opportunity-and-operating-platform?utm_source=TreppWire&utm_medium=TreppWire+Digital+Content&utm_campaign=TreppWire+Oct+Nov+2023+Sponsorship
Episode Notes:
• Economic update (0:23)
• Lending comps: rates and data (9:25)
• Retail crabgrass (17:45)
• Retail green shoots (26:45)
• Office crab grass (31:48)
• Value reductions (40:00)
• Leases (47:03)
• Multifamily loan value slashed (52:08)
• Shoutouts (54:15)
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Oct 13, 2023 • 49min
221. War in Middle East; Office, Hotel, Multifamily, Industrial Comps for Buyers/Sellers to Process
There was a lot of economic data this week with CPI, PPI, Fed minutes, and earnings season beginning. But after last weekend’s carnage in Israel, we pause to balance the data and headlines amid the horror. In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we also break down comps for office, hotels, multifamily properties, and industrial buildings. Tune in now.
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Episode Notes:
• Economic update and the war in the Middle East (0:23)
• Loan payoffs hit 20-month low (9:45)
• Banking sector news (13:59)
• Valuations in the market (17:40)
• Office green shoots and crab grass (21:58)
• Industrial comps (30:43)
• Hotel headlines (33:41)
• Multifamily comps (37:53)
• Shoutouts (45:30)
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Oct 6, 2023 • 53min
220. Rates Up, Risk Premiums Jump, and Lots of Painful CRE Comps
In this week’s episode, we discuss rising rates, a jump in risk premiums, and several painful comps in the commercial real estate market. The Trepp team searches for silver linings in a tough CRE market, we share positive retail stories, a lot of green shoots and crab grass for office, multifamily comps galore, and an industrial story to note. We also talk about NYC rent control and the retail apocalypse version in the office market. Tune in now.
Episode Notes:
• Economic update: stagflation, jobs, rates (0:23)
• NYC rent control discussion (3:27)
• Risk in the market (5:25)
• Banks' unrealized losses (8:00)
• Positive news for the retail market (10:24)
• Office green shoots (21:18)
• Office crabgrass (28:35)
• The retail apocalypse of the office market (32:48)
• Multifamily news and comps (39:28)
• Industrial story (45:10)
• Shoutouts (47:55)
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Sep 28, 2023 • 49min
219. Nowhere to Hide: CRE & CMBS Delinquencies, Jingle Mail, Dwindling Consumer Confidence
In this podcast, the hosts discuss the impact of rising treasury yields and oil prices on the stock market, along with the increase in mortgage costs and its effect on the housing market. They also explore downsizing and office space changes in various cities, positive news in the office real estate market, and the challenges faced by the retail industry.