
The Abstract
Savvy and strong legal leadership is only becoming more critical in a complex world.On The Abstract, we'll be interviewing leading legal executives about how they’ve nurtured their careers, grown in their roles, and become true operators within their businesses. At some points, we’ll deal with the pressure of leadership.We care deeply about helping in-house counsel grow alongside each other. Join us for insightful and interesting conversations with legal leaders.
Latest episodes

Jul 6, 2023 • 60min
Navigating the Legal-Security-Privacy Relationship: Celaena Powder's Experiences at Seismic
Legal, Security, and Privacy are cut from the same cloth — but it’s common to see friction between these teams. How can GCs and in-house leaders bridge this gap to form productive working relationships?Join us as we dive into the incredible journey of Celaena Powder, VP of Legal at Seismic, as she weighs in on forming unbeatable GC-CISO duos, supporting an enterprise sales motion at a company, nurturing meaningful relationships with Sales AEs to drive business impact, and more.We also discuss strategies for transforming the perception of Legal, building a high-performing legal team, and fostering a culture of growth and support.Tune in now to uncover a goldmine of actionable advice and a behind-the-scenes look into how Celaena leads Legal at Seismic.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-6Topics:Introduction: 00:00Finding inspiration for what you want to do in your career: 02:44Accelerating professional growth when working in small teams: 11:13Going in-house and becoming VP of Legal at Seismic: 14:08Transforming the perception of Legal within the org: 18:28Setting your legal team up for success: 22:30Navigating enterprise sales as a legal team: 26:22Leveraging privacy education to drive revenue generation: 32:54Nurturing productive relationships between Legal and Sales AEs: 35:33The intersection of the Legal and Security functions: 41:02Bridging the gap between Legal, Security, and Privacy: 45:00How the GC’s role will evolve with tech and AI evolution: 54:21Advice for younger attorneys: 57:30Connect with us:Celaena Powder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/celaenapowder/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Jun 22, 2023 • 47min
Riding Tech Booms and Busts as a Lawyer: Perspectives from David Lancelot
Join us for an inspiring conversation with David Lancelot, a seasoned legal leader who has fearlessly embraced the ever-evolving world of technology. While being a tech lawyer is undoubtedly exciting right now, David's journey dates back to a time when it was considered too daring to venture into this domain.With firsthand experiences of seeing the dot-com boom, surviving the crash, and now witnessing the resurgent growth of the tech industry, David's wisdom is invaluable. We had the pleasure of sitting down with him to uncover his extraordinary path, starting from his role as GC at a high-risk tech start-up to leading a global team spanning the globe at eBay Classifieds.During our conversation, we dive into David's strategies for scaling legal teams, establishing trust internally and especially with CFOs, driving impactful change within his team and the entire business, and championing the importance of legal ops. But above all, we uncover key insights that legal professionals and leaders need to position themselves and their teams as true co-leaders within the business.If you're a tech lawyer looking to navigate the thrilling world of technology with confidence, this episode is a must-listen.Topics:Introduction – 00:00Working in tech start-ups from the early days – 1:35Being the first legal hire at QVC – 4:43Surviving the tech market crash & navigating lay-offs – 10:16Playing in global legal markets & building an international team – 14:35Scaling the legal function like a business team – 21:24Building trust with CFOs & earning resources for legal – 25:51Optimizing processes & bringing in legal ops – 28:16Driving change within your team & the business – 32:19Using data to communicate & build trust internally – 39:14The future of legal & legal ops – 43:53Connect with us:David Lancelot - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidlancelot/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com/ to learn more.

Jun 14, 2023 • 35min
Mapping Your Career in Law: Akshay Verma's Blueprint for Success
What do companies and clients really want from lawyers? How can you align your career with your values while pursuing your ambitions? What makes a world-class legal operations team?In the fourth episode of The Abstract, we sit down with the brilliant Akshay Verma, Head of Legal Operations at Coinbase, as he tackles these burning questions and more. Drawing from his extensive two-decade journey, Akshay Verma shares a wealth of wisdom — from his early days practicing environmental law at law firms to leading in-house legal ops teams for companies at various stages and scales.You’ll get the chance to peek into Akshay’s Critical Lawyering Skills course at Santa Clara University School of Law, and listen as he dives deep into topics like charting your path after law school, navigating career transitions, and finding meaningful employment. He also offers advice to companies hiring early-career legal professionals on how to stay competitive and attract top talent.Topics:Introduction – 00:00Navigating career transitions in law, pt.1 – 1:11Going in-house and becoming a business counsel – 4:22The evolution of the legal ops role – 9:02Navigating career transitions in law, pt.2 – 10:26Heading legal operations at Meta & Coinbase – 11:35Leveraging job interviews to lay down the roadmap – 13:40Akshay’s background in teaching at law school – 15:57Critical lawyering skills that law school doesn’t teach – 18:05Integrating your values into career decisions – 20:33What companies and clients want from lawyers – 25:42Attracting top legal talent amid changing priorities – 29:14How legal and legal ops is changing – 31:31Connect with us:Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com/ to learn more.

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May 25, 2023 • 48min
Becoming a Customer-Centric GC: Adam Glick's Mindset
Join Adam Glick, a former litigator and Head of Legal at Intercom, as we discuss nonlinear career paths, hiring, building an authentic network, and evangelizing the value of a legal department to high-growth public and private tech companies. Adam has decades of in-house experience, is a profound legal executive, and provides practical advice on becoming customer-centric, so legal serves as an “enabler” for the business.

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May 4, 2023 • 44min
Unlocking Success in In-House Legal Roles: Lessons from Doug Luftman, ex-DGC @DocuSign
If you’re an in-house attorney, how do you set yourself up for learning and growth throughout a long career? How should you define success? Is it being named the General Counsel of a high-growth company? Or are there other paths for an interesting and inspiring career?Join former DocuSign Deputy General Counsel Doug Luftman for an in-depth conversation around mentorship, management, and fulfillment at work. We talk through how Doug positioned himself to take on executive-level leadership roles, including as General Counsel of two different tech companies. We’ll also explore how he learned to thrive in high-pressure, cross-functional environments where constant learning and growth were required. And, in what can be a challenging job hunting environment, he’ll share tips for managing unexpected career transitions and emerging stronger on the other side.

Apr 17, 2023 • 56min
The Limits, and Limitlessness, of the Legal Function
Megan Niedermeyer, Chief Legal Officer at Apollo.io, and Brenda Yun Perez, Senior Legal Operations Manager, dive into the evolving landscape of legal roles. They discuss the balance between defined responsibilities and the limitless potential of legal functions. Topics include the integration of legal into operational processes like establishing a Deal Desk and managing HR. The conversation also highlights the growing importance of non-lawyers in legal teams, strategic prioritization in legal operations, and fostering an ownership mindset for better outcomes.

Mar 17, 2023 • 50sec
Dive into The Abstract
Next month, we’ll be launching our new podcast: “The Abstract.”Join Tyler Finn, Head of Community and Growth at SpotDraft, as he interviews leading general counsels, chief legal officers, and legal executives. Our conversations will cover how they’ve nurtured their careers, grown in their roles, become true operators within their businesses, and even taken on other C-suite positions.Tyler spent half a decade building the legal community as an Advisor to TechGC, which grew in membership by nearly 10x during his tenure. He also has deep expertise leading privacy and public policy as a member of in-house legal teams at a variety of high-growth start-ups like Foursquare.We’re so excited to introduce you to some of the leading in-house legal minds of today and tomorrow. Join us as we work to go beyond the practical and make sense of the “The Abstract.”