AI for Revenue Leaders: The AI Hat Podcast

Mike Allton
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Feb 1, 2025 • 46min

The New Rules of Video Marketing: Creating Professional Content with AI with Eric Liu

Have you ever looked at a competitor's polished video content and thought, 'We could never afford to produce something like that?' Here's the thing - that assumption is probably wrong. The rules of video marketing have completely changed. While big brands used to dominate with expensive production crews and six-figure budgets, artificial intelligence has leveled the playing field. But there's a problem: most business leaders don't realize just how accessible professional video creation has become, or they're overwhelmed by the technology. That's why I'm excited to have Eric Liu joining us today.Eric is a video marketing innovator at Wondershare Technology, where he's helping shape the future of AI-powered content creation. He's been instrumental in developing Filmora 14, a next-generation AI video editing tool that's transforming how businesses approach video marketing. His work has helped countless organizations move from basic video content to professional-grade productions without breaking the bank or requiring a degree in video editing.The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Eric Liu about:✨ AI Democratizes Video - Professional video creation is no longer limited to big budgets and technical expertise.✨ Start Small, Scale Smart - Begin with basic AI features and gradually expand your video marketing capabilities.✨ Focus on Story First  - While AI handles technical aspects, successful video marketing still requires clear messaging and strategy.Learn more about Eric LiuConnect with Eric Liu on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Wondershare Filmora Duolingo Ethan Mollick AI Primer: A Comprehensive Guide Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/the-new-rules-of-video-marketing-creating-professional-content-with-ai/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The AI Hat - Get Your AI On. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant & Trainer at The AI Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping business owners with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jan 25, 2025 • 52min

Boost Your Business IQ: Why AI Literacy Matters for SMBs with Angie Carel

Now is the time to unlock the true potential of AI for your business. But here's the catch - you don't need to be a tech wizard or data scientist to do it. What you need is AI literacy, and it's about to become your new secret weapon.AI literacy is more than just understanding the basics of artificial intelligence. It's about developing the knowledge and skills to make informed decisions, spot opportunities, and confidently lead your team in an AI-driven world. For businesses and marketers, focusing on AI literacy means staying competitive, improving efficiency, and uncovering innovative ways to serve your customers. It's the key to turning AI from a buzzword into a powerful tool that drives real results.To guide us through this critical topic, we have an exceptional expert joining us. Angie Carel is a certified AI business leader and educator who's been at the forefront of making AI accessible and actionable for businesses of all sizes. As the founder of AI in Fort Wayne and a sought-after speaker, Angie has helped countless organizations harness the power of AI. She doesn't just talk about AI - she lives it, integrating it into every aspect of her work and life. Get ready, because Angie is about to share the insights you need to boost your AI literacy and transform your business.The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Angie Carel about:✨Foundational Understanding: AI literacy provides a crucial foundation for informed decision-making in today's business landscape.✨Competitive Edge: Improved AI literacy can lead to better strategic choices, giving SMBs a significant advantage in their markets.✨Accessible Learning: Building AI literacy is an achievable goal for all business leaders, regardless of technical background.Learn more about Angie CarelConnect with Angie Carel on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Angie Carel AI Consulting AI Training for Business The AI Revolution is Here: What Every Marketer Needs to Know Play Before Pay: Why Having Fun with AI Leads to Marketing Success with Amy Walters The Artificial Intelligence Show with Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput MAICON Andy Sack Co-Crafted AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/boost-your-business-iq-why-ai-literacy-matters-for-smbs/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The AI Hat - Get Your AI On. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant & Trainer at The AI Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping business owners with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jan 18, 2025 • 39min

Play Before Pay: Why Having Fun with AI Leads to Marketing Success with Amy Walters

Ever feel like you're trying to pilot the Millennium Falcon through an asteroid field of AI tools? You're not alone. The marketing galaxy is expanding faster than lightspeed, with new AI platforms popping up like droids in a Jawa sandcrawler. But here's the plot twist: what if mastering AI was less about decoding complex algorithms and more about channeling your inner Padawan?You see, there's a disturbance in the Force. Marketers everywhere are scrambling to keep up, worried they'll be left behind in a cloud of Tatooine dust if they don't immediately integrate every shiny new AI tool into their arsenal. This mad dash often leads to frustration, confusion, and sometimes even fear of the very technology meant to help us. But what if there was a better way? A way that's not only effective but, dare I say it, more fun than bullseyeing womp rats in your T-16?Buckle up, because we're about to make the jump to hyperspace with our guest, Amy Walters. Amy isn't just any AI expert – she's the Jedi Master of making complex tech accessible and the creative force behind Bloom Creative. This multi-award-winning speaker and trainer has been leaving audiences more star-struck than a Stormtrooper at a Rebel base, with her ability to turn AI from a daunting Death Star into a friendly R2-D2.Amy's innovative "fun first" approach to AI has been making waves across the galaxy, from major brand headquarters to packed conference halls. She's not just changing the game; she's rewriting the Jedi texts when it comes to AI adoption in marketing.Today, we're going to discover how Amy's playful approach to AI can transform your marketing from a local cantina band to a chart-topping hit across the universe. So, set your coordinates for success – because Amy Walters is about to show us how a little play can lead to some serious pay in the world of AI marketing!The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Amy Walters about:✨ Playful Experimentation: Fun AI projects build confidence and skills.✨ Transferable Skills: Personal AI use naturally extends to professional applications.✨ Creativity Unleashed: Approaching AI with curiosity leads to marketing innovations.Learn more about Amy Walters Connect with Amy Walters on LinkedIn Follow Bloomify on LinkedIn Follow Bloomify on Instagram Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Bloomify Pi Canva Adobe Agorapulse Tamsen Webster Don Miller Goblin Tools AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of The AI Hat Podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/play-before-pay-why-having-fun-with-ai-leads-to-marketing-success/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The AI Hat - Get Your AI On. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant & Trainer at The AI Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping business owners with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jan 11, 2025 • 46min

Why Your Enterprise AI Initiative Is Failing (And How to Fix It) with Maryrose Lyons

Is your company's AI initiative feeling more like a costly experiment than a game-changing transformation? You're not alone. While 92% of enterprises are investing in AI, a staggering 85% of AI projects fail to deliver on their promises. But why?The truth is, most organizations are approaching AI implementation backwards. They're buying expensive tools and platforms without first establishing the foundation that makes those investments worthwhile - proper training and education. This gap between AI ambition and AI competency is costing enterprises millions.Today, we're joined by someone who's been solving this exact problem. Maryrose Lyons is the founder of the AI Institute and a digital marketing veteran with over two decades of experience. Since 1999, she's witnessed every major digital transformation, and now she's helping enterprises bridge the critical AI knowledge gap. With a Master's in Cyberpsychology and professional certification in AI, Maryrose brings a unique perspective on both the technical and human elements of AI adoption. Through the AI Institute, she's helped countless organizations turn their AI investments from money pits into profit centers, with some clients seeing up to 20% increase in performance after proper training.The AI Hat Podcast host Mike Allton asked Maryrose Lyons about:✨ Training Before Tools - Successful AI implementation starts with education, not software purchases✨ Cultural Integration Matters - Technical knowledge must be paired with organizational change management✨ Measurable ROI Focus - Proper AI training directly correlates to improved business performanceLearn more about Maryrose LyonsConnect with Maryrose Lyons on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode AI Institute courses and AI Institute Programs for enterprise Coupon Code: Mike2025 = 15% discount on courses Udio The Surprising Truth About AI Adoption in Marketing Teams with Corbett Drummey 1Up EU AI Act AI Policy Template AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of the The AI Hat Podcast podcast and Maryrose’s podcast is called Chatting GPT SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://theaihat.com/why-your-enterprise-ai-initiative-is-failing-and-how-to-fix-it/Brought to you by The AI Hat - Get Your AI On. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant & Trainer at The AI Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping business owners with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network.Music by Tokay. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dec 21, 2024 • 53min

Why Your SMB Needs a Data Strategy Before Adopting AI with Tim Hayden

Are you feeling the pressure to jump on the AI bandwagon? You're not alone. As small and medium-sized businesses race to adopt AI, many are overlooking a critical step that could make or break their success. What if I told you that the key to unlocking AI's true potential for your business isn't in the latest chatbot or predictive analytics tool, but in something you already have – your data?The problem is, while AI promises to revolutionize how we do business, without a solid data strategy, it's like trying to build a skyscraper on quicksand. Many SMBs are rushing to implement AI solutions without first understanding and organizing their data, leading to disappointing results and wasted resources.But here's the good news: with the right approach to your data, you can set your business up for AI success. And that's exactly what we're diving into today with our expert guest, Tim Hayden.Tim is the CEO of Brain+Trust Partners, a strategic consultancy that helps companies navigate digital transformation. With over 20 years of experience in building and managing successful companies, Tim is a pioneering business leader known for his expertise in data-driven marketing, customer experience, and emerging technologies. He's worked with major brands like Dell, Bacardi, and AMD, and is a frequent speaker at industry events. Tim literally wrote the book on mobile commerce and has been at the forefront of digital marketing innovation for decades.Today, Tim is going to break down why a data strategy is the essential first step for any SMB looking to harness the power of AI, and he'll provide practical insights on how to get started. So, whether you're just beginning to explore AI or you're looking to optimize your current efforts, this episode is your roadmap to building a solid foundation for AI success.AI in Marketing: Unpacked host Mike Allton asked Tim Hayden about:✨ Data First, AI Second: Understanding why a solid data strategy is the foundation for successful AI adoption.✨ Quality Over Quantity: Learning how to focus on collecting and organizing the right data for your specific business needs.✨ Start Small, Think Big: Practical steps for SMBs to begin building their data strategy with limited resources.Learn more about Tim HaydenConnect with Tim Hayden on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode BrainTrust Partners LLC Llama Salesforce HubSpot Agorapulse Marketo Ethan Mollick Constant Contact Lastpass Dashlane Read.ai NotebookLM Gamma AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of the AI in Marketing: Unpacked podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://www.thesocialmediahat.com/blog/why-your-smb-needs-a-data-strategy-before-adopting-ai/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The Social Media Hat - When One More Hat Is One Too Many. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant at The Social Media Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping marketers with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network.Music by Tokay. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dec 14, 2024 • 49min

Redefining Brand Strategy: AI Tools for Businesses of All Sizes with Ruheene Jaura

In this insightful discussion, Ruheene Jaura, founder of heyLevi.ai and a veteran in visual effects and digital marketing, explores how AI is transforming brand strategy. She highlights how AI democratizes branding, making professional-level strategies accessible to businesses of all sizes. Ruheene shares the significance of storytelling in marketing and the blend of AI with human creativity. Listeners will learn about crafting compelling brand narratives, emotional customer connections, and the future implications of AI in marketing.
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Dec 10, 2024 • 39min

The Surprising Truth About AI Adoption in Marketing Teams with Corbett Drummey

What if everything you thought you knew about technology adoption in marketing was wrong? Imagine a world where C-suite executives are more comfortable with AI than digital natives. Well, according to groundbreaking new research from Lightricks and the American Marketing Association, that world is already here.For decades, we've operated under the assumption that new technology adoption flows from the bottom up. Young professionals, fresh out of college, bring new tools and techniques to their organizations. But AI is completely flipping this script, creating an unprecedented divide in marketing teams that threatens both innovation and career growth.The numbers are startling: while 61% of executives use AI weekly, only 42% of entry-level marketers do the same. Even more concerning? 65% of executives have received formal AI training, compared to just 34% of early-career marketers. This isn't just a gap – it's a canyon that's growing wider every day.Today, we're joined by Corbett Drummey, a pioneer in the creator economy and AI space. As part of Lightricks, which recently partnered with the American Marketing Association on this groundbreaking research, Corbett brings unique insights into this shifting landscape. His experience leading Popular Pays through its successful acquisition by Lightricks, and his current work developing AI tools for brand safety, puts him at the intersection of marketing leadership and technological innovation.AI in Marketing: Unpacked host Mike Allton asked Corbett Drummey about:✨ Reversed Adoption Pattern: Traditional bottom-up technology adoption is being replaced by executive-led AI integration.✨ Training Determines Success: The growing training gap between leadership and staff is becoming a critical career factor.✨ Bridge The Divide: Organizations must actively work to democratize AI access and training across all levels.Learn more about Corbett DrummeyConnect with Corbett Drummey on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Download The Full Report: https://www.lightricks.com/ama-survey AI Training available for employees Lightricks American Marketing Association Mastering AI Prompting: Advanced Techniques for Success with Ashley Gross Revolutionizing Visual Content: Generative AI in Action with Corbett Drummey AI as Your Co-Host: Unleashing NotebookLM’s Potential in Content Marketing AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of the AI in Marketing: Unpacked podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://www.thesocialmediahat.com/blog/the-surprising-truth-about-ai-adoption-in-marketing-teams/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The Social Media Hat - When One More Hat Is One Too Many. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant at The Social Media Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping marketers with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network.Music by Tokay. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dec 7, 2024 • 43min

The AI Growth Engine: Accelerating Your Marketing Results with Cathy McPhillips

Cathy McPhillips, Chief Growth Officer at the Marketing AI Institute, shares her expertise on harnessing AI for marketing success. She discusses how AI enhances targeting and personalization, transforming traditional marketing methods into precise, data-driven strategies. Cathy highlights real-world applications, including case studies from notable brands like Coca-Cola. Additionally, she explores the challenges marketers face in implementing AI and emphasizes the importance of human oversight in leveraging these powerful tools to drive scalable growth.
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Nov 30, 2024 • 41min

From Boardroom to Bot Room: A Leader's Journey into AI Marketing with Lauren Schiavone

Imagine stepping out of a Fortune 500 boardroom after 16 years, only to find yourself on the cutting edge of AI marketing and innovation. Sounds like a plot twist in a tech thriller, right? Well, for our guest today, it's not fiction – it's her extraordinary career path.In today's fast-paced marketing world, staying ahead often means embracing the unknown. But what happens when that unknown is as vast and complex as artificial intelligence? Many marketers find themselves at a crossroads, wondering how to bridge the gap between traditional strategies and this brave new world of AI.This is where our guest's journey becomes not just inspiring, but invaluable. Today, we have the privilege of speaking with Lauren Schiavone, a visionary leader who's made the leap from corporate titan to AI trailblazer.Lauren isn't just any former executive. With nearly two decades of consumer insights, brand, and sales leadership experience at Procter & Gamble, she's been the driving force behind some of the most recognizable brands in your home. Her work at P&G was consistently recognized as best-in-class, and she was even selected as one of Progressive Grocer Industry's Best and Brightest Under 40.But Lauren's story doesn't end in the corporate world. In a bold move, she stepped away from her prestigious role to dive headfirst into the world of AI. Now, as a consultant and thought leader, Lauren is on a mission to demystify AI for business leaders, particularly in the realms of consumer goods, brand innovation, and retail.What makes Lauren's perspective so unique is her ability to translate complex AI concepts into practical strategies that non-technical leaders can actually use. She's not just talking about AI – she's showing businesses how to enhance decision-making, drive innovation, and deliver business growth in tangible ways.AI in Marketing: Unpacked host Mike Allton asked Lauren Schiavone about:✨ Corporate Wisdom in AI: Understand how traditional business acumen enhances AI implementation in marketing.✨ Practical AI Integration: Learn strategies for incorporating AI into existing marketing processes and teams.✨ Future-Ready Marketing: Discover how to prepare marketing strategies for an AI-driven future while leveraging current strengths.Learn more about Lauren SchiavoneConnect with Lauren Schiavone on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode Wonder Consulting Procter & Gamble (P&G) The AI Revolution is Here: What Every Marketer Needs to Know Finding Your Voice with AI – How to Craft a Brand Voice That Resonates Paving the Way: Strategies for Integrating AI in Marketing with Chris Penn The Artificial Intelligence Show Rufus Generative AI and Demographics: Trends for Marketers to Watch with Michael Nevski Liza Adams Paul Roetzer Ann Handley The H.U.M.A.N. AI Integration Framework: Bridging the Gap Between Technology and People AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of the AI in Marketing: Unpacked podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://www.thesocialmediahat.com/blog/from-boardroom-to-bot-room-a-leaders-journey-into-ai-marketing/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The Social Media Hat - When One More Hat Is One Too Many. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network.Music by Tokay. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 23, 2024 • 42min

Elevating Product Marketing: The Game-Changing Role of AI with Gabe Wahhab

Product Marketing Managers, let's face it: you're juggling a million tasks, from crafting compelling narratives to deciphering market trends, all while trying to stay ahead in an ever-evolving digital landscape. It's like trying to solve a Rubik's Cube while riding a unicycle - challenging, to say the least. But what if there was a way to not just keep up, but to leap ahead? Enter the game-changing world of AI, a tool that's revolutionizing the PMM playbook faster than you can say "go-to-market strategy."From ideation to copywriting, from research to those daily tasks that seem to multiply endlessly, AI is transforming how PMMs work. But how exactly are savvy professionals leveraging this technology to supercharge their efforts? That's exactly what we're about to unpack. To guide us through this AI-powered marketing revolution, we have a true expert in the field joining us today.I'm thrilled to welcome Gabe Wahhab to our show. Gabe is a growth-minded entrepreneur turned intrapreneur, with an impressive background in product marketing. He's worked with industry giants like HubSpot, where he played a key role in developing and implementing AI-driven marketing strategies. Gabe's unique blend of technical expertise and marketing acumen makes him the perfect guide to help us navigate the AI revolution in product marketing.AI in Marketing: Unpacked host Mike Allton asked Gabe Wahhab about:✨ AI-Powered Efficiency: Artificial Intelligence significantly boosts PMM productivity by automating routine tasks and streamlining complex processes.✨ Enhanced Creativity: AI tools augment human creativity in ideation and content creation, leading to more innovative marketing strategies.✨ Data-Driven Insights: AI enables PMMs to gather and analyze vast amounts of data quickly, informing more strategic decision-making.Learn more about Gabe WahhabConnect with Gabe Wahhab on LinkedIn Resources & Brands mentioned in this episode GabeWahhab.com HubSpot Agorapulse Finding Your Voice with AI – How to Craft a Brand Voice That Resonates with Mike Allton Custom GPTs for Marketers: Work Smarter, Not Harder with Mike Allton Gong Zoom 1Up How to Create 26 Pieces Of Content From A Facebook Live Content Remix Ruheene Jaura HeyLevi Product Marketing Alliance AI as Your Co-Host: Unleashing NotebookLM’s Potential in Content Marketing with Mike Allton Christopher Penn AI Use Cases for Ideal Customer Profiles AI Consulting AI Bootcamp AI Marketing Primer: A Comprehensive Guide for Marketers Explore past episodes of the AI in Marketing: Unpacked podcast SHOW TRANSCRIPT & NOTES: https://www.thesocialmediahat.com/blog/elevating-product-marketing-the-game-changing-role-of-ai/Start your AI journey with the AI Marketing Primer.Brought to you by The Social Media Hat - When One More Hat Is One Too Many. Interesting in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Powered by Magai - why choose one AI tool when you can have them all? And Descript, the magic wand for podcasters.Produced and Hosted by Mike Allton, AI Consultant at The Social Media Hat, where he's tirelessly helping businesses and marketers get ahead of the AI Revolution and apply advanced technologies to their roles. He's spent over a decade in digital marketing, bringing an unparalleled level of experience and excitement to the fore, whether he's delivering a presentation or leading a workshop. If you’re interested in helping marketers with AI in an upcoming episode, reach out to Mike.Powered by the Marketing Podcast Network.Music by Tokay. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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