

Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast
Refine Labs
Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers.
Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
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Apr 8, 2025 • 53min
How to Nail Down Messaging and Positioning | Megan Bowen on Building With Buyers
Megan Bowen, CEO at Refine Labs, leads a demand gen agency focused on growth-stage B2B SaaS companies. She discusses the pivotal role of customer understanding in shaping effective messaging and marketing strategies. Megan dives into how buyer behaviors have evolved and the necessity of adapting approaches. The conversation highlights the importance of integrating AI responsibly and emphasizes foundational business principles over hasty tech adoption. She also shares insights on optimizing paid advertising strategies for startups, underlining that data-driven decisions are key to success.

Apr 4, 2025 • 5min
Niching Down | 3 April Newsletter Companion
This week dives deep into the importance of niching down for effective content creation. Discover a four-step process to identify strengths and market gaps that can enhance online presence. The update of the podcast’s identity features a fresh take on the 'about' section, focusing on authenticity. Plus, get a sneak peek at upcoming content and crucial metrics for reviewing landing pages. It's all about refining strategies and boosting growth!

Apr 1, 2025 • 56min
How to Tame Your Landing Page (And Your Career) | Tas Bober
Tas Bober, Co-Founder of The Scroll Lab, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion focused on finding your niche in your career and on your landing page. Tas starts by talking through her evolution from an aspiring writer to a digital marketing expert, propelled by her early career experiences. Stressing the influence of pivotal mentors and their often brutally honest advice, she walks through the process of finding a specific niche in landing page consultation. Tas candidly shares her insights on staying adaptable, networking's intrinsic value in marketing, and the importance of having a distinct perspective to stand out in a saturated market. Ultimately, her story is a testament to chasing authenticity and passion, serving as motivation for marketers to embrace change and innovation.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #landingpages #writing #ads #niche______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Tas BoberConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Mar 28, 2025 • 5min
Why Do You Listen to Marketing Podcasts? | 27 March Newsletter Companion
Welcome to a new weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week is all about ABM! Inspired by the recent B2B Marketing Roundtable, we sent out and are testing a template to narrow down ABM audience tiers, trying to solve for this audience's pain points, and focusing our podcast messaging.

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Mar 25, 2025 • 52min
ABM: How to Get it Right | March B2B Roundtable
In this insightful discussion, Judy Sheriff, an experienced client-side marketer, along with ABM strategist Ciara Hopkins and marketing operations expert Scott Schilling, explore the essentials of Account-Based Marketing. They emphasize the importance of aligning marketing and sales efforts and understanding your Ideal Customer Profile. The trio shares tips on leveraging existing CRM tools, measuring success through engagement metrics, and ensuring clear communication across teams. Their key takeaway? Without foundational alignment, ABM initiatives are destined to fail.

Mar 21, 2025 • 4min
A New Experiment | Newsletter Companion 19 March 2025
Welcome to a new weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week is all about experimentation, based on this week's episode of Called to Action featuring Canberk Beker.

Mar 18, 2025 • 28min
How to Prioritize Consistent Experimentation | Canberk Beker
Canberk Beker, founder of ROASted, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion focused on the importance of consistent and ambitious experimentation. Canberk describes his shift from traditional B2C marketing to embracing experimental strategies, emphasizing the significance of pushing boundaries to foster growth.He shares is personal experiences and challenges in advocating for experimentation, especially within the constraints of B2B environments that often prioritize direct metrics like cost per lead over innovative tactics. Highlighted by the stark comparison between B2C and B2B methodologies, this episode delves deep into how his bold moves and risk-taking have led to groundbreaking strategies, such as successfully tapping into competitive keyword spaces and leveraging user-generated insights. As he recounts his various experiments, both successful and unsuccessful, Canberk stresses the critical role of data-and intuition-driven decisions, ultimately inspiring marketers to push past traditional limits to achieve significant breakthroughs in their campaigns.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #adcreative #creativity #ads #experimentation______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Canberk BekerConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Mar 11, 2025 • 38min
Why You Should Appeal to Humanity In Ad Creative | Libby Schell
Libby Schell, Refine Labs Demand Generation Manager, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about leading with empathy and humanity in ad creative. Libby shares her unique path from a strategic communications graduate to a demand generation expert in the B2B SaaS domain. She focuses on how she has worked to balance creativity with marketing strategies to craft compelling ad content that resonates with audiences beyond cliche business jargon.She spotlights the importance of empathy and human-centric creativity in B2B marketing, examining how her artistic insights fuel her advertising and messaging tactics. To cap it off looking forward, Libby discusses some of the nuanced difference between AI and human creativity as we head into the future of marketing within the digital landscape. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #adcreative #creativity #ads #empathy______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Libby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

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Mar 4, 2025 • 50min
Building an Organic Content & Thought Leadership Strategy | B2B Round Table
Ashley Lewin, a marketing expert with a keen focus on content strategy, joins hosts Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes for a roundtable discussion. They delve into the importance of crafting a unique point of view to captivate audiences. Emphasizing authenticity, they explain how relatable content resonates more than overly polished posts. The conversation also touches on leveraging various content formats and the role of consistency in building trust. Tips for utilizing LinkedIn effectively and enhancing strategic narratives round out this insightful session.

Feb 25, 2025 • 41min
How to Implement a Demand Creation Strategy | Sam Kuehnle
Sam Kuehnle, VP of Marketing at Loxo, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about taking on a leadership role in Demand Creation and how to make an impact. The discussion focuses on evolving demand generation strategies, the interplay between lead generation and demand creation, and how Sam transitioned from agency work at Refine Labs to a leadership position. Throughout, Sam offers insights into planning effective marketing strategies in a rapidly changing digital landscape.The conversation begins by exploring Sam's marketing journey, from his foundational experiences in a family-run agency to working as an account development representative in SaaS, highlighting his shift from the predictable revenue model to a demand-focused approach inspired by Chris Walker. Sam also shares invaluable advice on stakeholder management, emphasizing the necessity of aligning marketing strategies with overarching business goals. He discusses methodologies for generating quick wins, such as optimizing Google Ads and refining audience targeting, providing practical insights into sustainable marketing practices. The episode concludes with forward-thinking strategies and preparing for the future of marketing, stressing the importance of adaptability and continuous learning.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Sam KuehnleConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola


