

Chief Change Officer
Vince Chan
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
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Mar 21, 2025 • 23min
#247 Chris Hare: When the Story Guy Becomes the Story — Part One
Chris Hare usually helps execs polish their pitches—but now he’s in the hot seat. In this three-part series, we flip the script and unpack the art (and occasional chaos) of storytelling.• Part 1 dives into the world of corporate storytelling—what works, what bombs, and how to not sound like a robot in a boardroom.• Part 2 gets personal—Chris shares stories that shaped him, including a few that left lasting impressions (for better or worse).• Part 3 puts theory into practice—Chris hands us the tools to craft our own stories, and I test them out… possibly with tissues nearby.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Stories Fuel the Narrative“In my mind, stories are time-bound: this happened, it started here, it ended there. But the narrative is ongoing—it’s an architecture shaping the direction of an individual or company.”Storytelling’s Overplayed? Think Again“For years, I wouldn’t even call myself a storyteller because it was so overplayed. Everyone is using frameworks like the hero’s journey as if they’re paint-by-numbers. But storytelling is far more complex.”The Narrative Flywheel: Stories That Drive Strategy“The stories are the fuel that flows into the flywheel. We synthesize them, find patterns, and decide where to play and how to win. Then, with experimentation and learning, we create more stories—and the flywheel keeps spinning."Human-Centered Design in Action: Logitech’s Transformation“Bracken Darrell took Logitech’s failing narrative and reframed it with a vision: human-centered design across every part of the company. This vision wasn’t pushed from the top but inspired teams, driving Logitech’s turnaround—from 30-day financial reporting to just two.”_____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Chris Hare______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 20, 2025 • 29min
#246 Todd Davis: 30 Years at FranklinCovey—7 Habits They Don’t Teach in Business School — Part Two
In a world obsessed with AI, automation, and the next big tech trend, Todd Davis believes human intelligence is more valuable than ever. Sure, AI can crunch numbers, but can it build trust, resolve conflicts, or make people feel heard?In Part 2, we go straight into the human side of leadership—why most people don’t actually listen, why trust is like a bank account, and how one employee nearly lost her career over a simple blind spot. Todd also shares a powerful story about a prison inmate who transformed his life using The 7 Habits—a reminder that leadership isn’t about titles, it’s about impact.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Art of Actually Listening – “Most people aren’t listening. They’re just waiting for their turn to talk.” The leadership skill no one teaches—but everyone needs.The Trust Bank Account – “Withdraw too much without making deposits, and you’ll be bankrupt.” How trust works just like money—and why leaders must invest in it.A Career Almost Ruined by One Blind Spot – “She was the smartest person in the room. But no one wanted to work with her.” How self-awareness can make or break careers.The 7 Habits… In Prison – “An inmate wrote to us saying the book changed his life.” How leadership principles apply anywhere—even behind bars.Why Human Intelligence is the Competitive Advantage – “Companies are chasing AI skills. But what they actually need? People who can think, communicate, and lead.”______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Todd Davis______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 20, 2025 • 31min
#245 Todd Davis: 30 Years at FranklinCovey—7 Habits They Don’t Teach in Business School — Part One
Leadership advice is everywhere, but Todd Davis has spent 30 years at FranklinCovey actually proving what works. As the former Chief People Officer, he didn’t just teach leadership—he lived it. From recruiting and training top talent to coaching CEOs, Todd has seen the best and worst of workplace culture. And in case you’re wondering—yes, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People still apply (maybe now more than ever).In Part 1, Todd shares how he accidentally landed at FranklinCovey, built a career around leadership and trust, and why most organizations completely misunderstand what it means to be “effective.” If you’ve ever been in a job where meetings multiply, work feels chaotic, and leaders seem out of touch, this episode is your guide to what actually works.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Recruiting to the C-Suite – “I was just hiring people. Then suddenly, I was leading them.” How Todd built a 30-year career at FranklinCovey without a roadmap.The Secret to Long-Term Career Growth – “I didn’t hop around jobs. I stayed put and made an impact.” Why depth beats breadth when it comes to leadership growth.The 7 Habits Still Work—Here’s Why – “They’re not business tactics. They’re human principles.” Why Covey’s habits still drive success decades later.What’s Wrong With Workplaces Today? – “People don’t hate work. They hate how work is designed.” The biggest reasons employees feel drained—and how leaders can fix it.The #1 Leadership Skill People Get Wrong – “Most leaders think they’re clear. They’re not.” How poor communication destroys trust in organizations.______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Todd Davis______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 19, 2025 • 26min
#244 Lisa Bodell: The Future is Simple—If We Stop Overcomplicating Everything — Part Two
What if the biggest barrier to innovation isn’t a lack of ideas—but too much unnecessary work? As the CEO of FutureThink, Lisa Bodell has spent years helping companies cut through the clutter and focus on what actually matters. From eliminating pointless meetings to ditching outdated processes, she’s on a mission to make simplicity a competitive advantage.In Part 2, Lisa takes us behind the scenes of her work with organizations like Google, Pfizer, and Amazon to help them remove, not add. She also explains why mental clarity and simplicity are just as important at a personal level—and how she applies these principles to her own life.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Kill a Stupid Rule – “Pfizer realized one of their biggest problems wasn’t innovation—it was getting things done.” How eliminating bad rules changed the company’s culture.Why Simplicity Fuels Innovation – “We don’t have a shortage of ideas. We have a shortage of time to think.” The surprising truth about why most teams struggle with creativity.The Hustle Trap – “Busy doesn’t mean productive. It just means you’re overwhelmed.” How overwork and hustle culture are hurting both employees and businesses.Applying Simplicity to Your Own Life – “Simplicity isn’t about organizing—it’s about removing the stuff that clutters your mind.” Why Lisa swears by decluttering for mental clarity.The Future of Human Skills – “AI is great at giving answers. But humans are great at asking the right questions.” Why skills like curiosity, resilience, and creativity will be more valuable than ever.______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Lisa Bodell______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 19, 2025 • 28min
#243 Lisa Bodell: The Future is Simple—If We Stop Overcomplicating Everything — Part One
Lisa Bodell didn’t just study the future—she built a career helping companies prepare for it.As the CEO of FutureThink, she’s been at the forefront of innovation for over 20 years, teaching leaders how to embrace change before it’s too late. But her path to becoming a futurist wasn’t planned—it started in advertising, took a detour into consulting, and ultimately led her to reinvent how organizations approach creativity and change.In Part 1 of this two-part series, Lisa shares her personal journey—from selling creative ideas in ad agencies to studying foresight and helping Fortune 500 companies navigate uncertainty. Along the way, she breaks down what it really means to be a futurist (hint: it’s not about predicting trends) and why most companies resist change until it’s too late.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Ad Agencies to FutureThink – “I was great at selling creative ideas. But I realized people needed to learn how to generate them.” How Lisa’s early career sparked a passion for teaching innovation.What the Heck is a Futurist? – “No, it’s not about guessing trends. It’s a structured way of planning for multiple possible futures.” Why real futurists use models—not crystal balls.Taking the Leap into Entrepreneurship – “When you work for yourself, there’s no safety net. But that’s what makes it exciting.” Lisa’s shift from corporate life to running her own company.Why Most Companies Resist Change – “People aren’t tired of innovation. They’re tired of all the other stuff getting in the way.” Why complexity kills creativity in organizations.The Power of Pivoting – “The best entrepreneurs know when to shift—because nothing stays the same.” How Lisa evolved FutureThink over the years.______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Lisa Bodell
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 18, 2025 • 25min
#242 Monte Wood on Generosity: The Most Underrated Career Cheat Code — Part Two
Monte Wood, former CEO of Opus Agency and author of Generosity Wins, knows that generosity isn’t just about being nice—it’s a game-changer in business and life. From working with icons like Steve Jobs and Mark Benioff to lessons from his mom, Monte has seen firsthand how small acts of giving create big returns. In this episode, he breaks down why generosity is the real secret to happiness and career success—and why it’s more powerful than you think.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Generosity Beyond Kindness: Lessons from Steve Jobs, John Chambers, and Andy Jassy“Steve Jobs’ goal to democratize technology was generous, even if his approach wasn’t. Leaders like Chambers and Jassy showed that while generosity doesn’t always come with kindness, the drive to uplift others’ success is, in itself, a powerful form of generosity.”The 600-Day Challenge: How Practicing Generosity Daily Transforms You“Documenting a daily act of kindness, whether it’s a smile or genuine listening, became a habit that revealed a thousand ways to be generous—proof that practicing generosity opens new perspectives.”Unexpected Generosity in a Hot Tub: A Chat with Elon Musk“In an unexpected encounter, Musk showed genuine interest and warmth, sharing laughs and stories. It was a small gesture, but a powerful reminder of the impact of unexpected generosity from those at the top.”The Hidden Costs of Greed and Division in Today’s Media“With opinion-driven media stirring division, the challenge lies in overcoming these forces with conscious generosity and mutual respect—proving that true strength is found not in agreement, but in the ability to disagree respectfully.”_____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Monte Wood______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 18, 2025 • 34min
#241 Monte Wood on Generosity: The Most Underrated Career Cheat Code — Part One
Monte Wood, former CEO of Opus Agency and author of Generosity Wins, knows that generosity isn’t just about being nice—it’s a game-changer in business and life. From working with icons like Steve Jobs and Mark Benioff to lessons from his mom, Monte has seen firsthand how small acts of giving create big returns. In this episode, he breaks down why generosity is the real secret to happiness and career success—and why it’s more powerful than you think.Key Highlights of Our Interview:True Generosity in Leadership: More Than Just Charity“Being generous isn’t just about grand acts of philanthropy. It’s about caring for the individual. Whether it’s helping employees grow beyond their roles or driving an old Toyota to work, leaders like Andy Grove and Mark Benioff show that humility and connection are what truly drive success.”Why Generosity is the Key to Confidence, Courage, and Success“Generosity isn’t just about giving—it’s a strategic move toward success. Helping others builds faster, more meaningful relationships, while also boosting your own confidence and courage. Harvard’s 50-year study shows that close connections are the top predictor of happiness, and generosity is the engine that powers those relationships.”Tracking the Untrackable: The True ROI of Generosity“Generosity doesn’t fit into the typical business models of ROI—no one’s handing you a direct return. Yet, the rewards are undeniable. Life has a way of paying you back tenfold, proving that being generous might be the most strategic investment you can make, even if it can’t be measured in dollars.”Generosity Isn’t Always Grand – Sometimes It’s Just a Smile“Even the smallest act of generosity can be life-changing. A smile, a kind word, or even cleaning up a public restroom can shift someone’s day. In a world full of loneliness and depression, simple acts of generosity may be the most powerful way to create joy and connection.”_____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Monte Wood______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 17, 2025 • 33min
#240 Dominic Carter: Cracking Japan’s Business Code – From Market Research to Aging Tech – Part Two
If you think aging tech is just about nursing homes and health monitors, think again. Dominic Carter, CEO of The Carter Group, is uncovering massive, untapped opportunities in the aging population—starting with Japan, one of the most aged countries in the world. From wearable tech that steadies shaky hands to high-tech bedsheets that improve sleep, he’s on a mission to rethink how we age.In Part 2, Dominic breaks down the challenges, cultural barriers, and business opportunities in aging tech. Whether you’re an entrepreneur, investor, or just navigating the realities of aging parents (which, let’s be honest, is most of us), this episode is packed with insights.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Personal Push – “Watching my parents struggle with aging made me realize how much better it could be.” How a frustrating experience led to a game-changing business idea.The Tech Struggle is Real – “It’s not the technology that’s lacking—it’s the mindset around adopting it.” Why older generations resist helpful tech and what needs to change.The Future of Aging Tech – “We tested 26 products, but only a few stood out.” What works, what doesn’t, and the two innovations that are making a real impact.Japan’s Aging Economy – “30% of Japan’s population is over 65. That’s not a niche—it’s the future.” Why the biggest consumer market is also the most overlooked.Advice for Builders & Investors – “If you don’t listen to users, you’ll fail. It’s that simple.” The do’s and don’ts of launching a product in this space.______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Dominic Carter______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 17, 2025 • 29min
#239 Dominic Carter: Cracking Japan’s Business Code – From Market Research to Aging Tech – Part One
Not everyone dreams of moving abroad, starting a business in a foreign country, and navigating life in an entirely different culture—but Dominic Carter did. He is now the CEO of The Carter Group (CarterJMRN KK, Living Best™, Carter Executive Search KK, Delacon Japan KK). Originally from Australia, he found himself drawn to Japan, where he built a career, a business, and a life over the past two decades. But the journey? Far from smooth.In Part 1 of this two-part series, Dominic shares how he went from feeling like an outsider in his own country to becoming a successful entrepreneur in Japan. Along the way, he opens up about burning out, bouncing back, and why he believes Japan attracts a certain type of person.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Australia to Japan—By Way of Curiosity – “I always knew I’d live overseas. Japan fascinated me as a teenager, so I studied the language… but didn’t study enough.” The accidental road to an international career.Thrown Into the Deep End – “At 24, I was sent to open an office in Tokyo. I was young, underprepared… and burned out fast.” What happens when responsibility comes too soon.The Boomerang Effect – “I left Japan, thinking I was done. Six months later, I was back—this time, on my own terms.” Why walking away can sometimes lead you right back.Entrepreneurial Instincts – “I always admired entrepreneurs. Even as a kid, I knew I didn’t want a boss.” The making of a business owner in a country known for its rigid corporate culture.Building, Pivoting, and Reinventing – “I started in market research, worked with global brands, then expanded into software and aging tech.” The evolution of an entrepreneur who refuses to stay in one lane.______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Dominic Carter______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 16, 2025 • 40min
#238 Paul Austin on Rethinking Growth: Can Psychedelics Unlock Your Potential—Legally?
We’re joined by Paul Austin, CEO of Third Wave, who believes psychedelics can be powerful tools for transformation—when used responsibly. While these substances remain illegal in many places and are wrapped in ongoing medical and legal debates, Paul is on a mission to educate, not evangelize.As your host, I keep this forum open to diverse voices, not to pass judgment but to spark critical thinking. We explore the myths and realities of psychedelics—how they might enhance mental clarity, creativity, and personal growth, while also addressing safety concerns, legal roadblocks, and the importance of responsible use.Curious about how legalization and decriminalization efforts are unfolding globally? Check out this BBC article for a snapshot of what’s happening around the world.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Real Risks of Psychedelics: Safety First“While psychedelics promise transformation, the biggest risk isn’t just physiological—it’s legal. These substances are still illegal in most places, so getting caught can have serious consequences. Beyond that, psychedelics can create instability if not handled with the right support and a safe environment.”Mindset Matters: Intention in Psychedelic Use“The real benefits of psychedelics start with intention. Using them to learn, grow, or heal can unlock deep insights, but if it’s just to escape reality, the impact is far less meaningful. For anyone interested, working with a professional—be it a coach, therapist, or shaman—is essential. Preparation and a safe setting are crucial for a transformative experience.”The Five Elements for a Safe and Meaningful Psychedelic Journey“There are five essential elements: assessment, preparation, facilitation, integration, and microdosing. From asking the right questions to committing fully to the experience, each step helps build a safe and transformative path. Start low, go slow, and choose to step into this journey for yourself—not for anyone else.”Microdosing as a Catalyst, Not a Crutch“Microdosing isn’t about masking problems; it’s about creating neuroplasticity for real change. With commitment—two to three times a week for 30 days—you can catalyze significant shifts in mood, decision-making, and self-awareness. But this journey, like any transformation, relies on intention and responsibility. Microdosing is a tool, but you hold the reins to lasting growth.”_____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Paul Austin______________________--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.