

Working Class Audio
Working Class Audio
The Working Class Audio Podcast pulls back the curtain on the professional recording world. Host and audio engineer Matt Boudreau talks with guests from music, film, games, restoration, and beyond—diving into their real-world journeys. No fluff, just honest conversations about the wins, losses, money, collaboration, and survival strategies that define a career in audio. It's recording life from a working class perspective.
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Aug 8, 2022 • 1h 1min
WCA #399 with Dave Schiffman Part 2 - Mix Note Etiquette, The Journey of Creating a Studio, Deciding on ATMOS, Communication with Bands, and Evolving the Craft
Part 2 of my interview with Grammy Winning Producer/mixer and Engineer who has worked on projects for System of a Down, Audioslave, The Mars Volta, PUP, Johnny Cash, Tom Petty, Adele, Vampire Weekend, Cass Mccombs, Thrice, and Haim. In this episode, we discuss:
Parting Ways with Rick Rubin
Stellastarr
Role with Rick vs. Engineers
Dry vs. Wet
Mix Shootouts
Importance of Artist Feedback
Evolving the Craft
Keeping a Good Vibe
Dealing with Varying Personalities
Communication with Bands
Mix Note Etiquette
Mix Adjectives
The Journey of Creating a Studio
Deciding on ATMOS
Doing ATMOS That Makes Sense
Money and Engineering
Priorities on What You Really Need
Gear Should Be used, Not Just Displayed
Work-Life Balance
Only as Good as Your Last Credit
Matt's Rant: Inspiration from Outside the Audio WorldLinks and Show Notes
Dave's Site
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
ILM Documentary
Masterclass
How I Built This Podcast
Credits
Guest: Dave Schiffman
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Aug 1, 2022 • 53min
WCA #398 with Dave Schiffman Part 1 - Tape Copies, Chicken and Egg Issues, Lessons from Rick Rubin, The Land of Yes, and Not Being Tall Enough To Record
My guest is Grammy Winning Producer/mixer and Engineer who has worked on projects for System of a Down, Audioslave, The Mars Volta, PUP Johnny Cash, Tom Petty, Adele, Vampire Weekend, Cass Mccombs, Thrice, and Haim.In this episode, we discuss:
Giving Up Piano
Dad's Love of Big Band/Yacht Rock
Playing Trumpet
Marching Band
Not Being Tall Enough To Record
Following Credits on Albums
Making Tape Copies
Chicken and Egg Issues
Moving Up the Studio Ladder
Surviving on Tuna Fish Sandwiches
"Smoking Section" of Planes
Working at Ocean Way
Moving to LA from NY
Working with Rick Rubin
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Lessons from Rick Rubin
East Coast Honesty
The Land of Yes
Matt's Rant: Who are We Spending Time With?Links and Show Notes
Dave's Site
Dave on Instagram
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Dave Schiffman
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jul 25, 2022 • 53min
WCA #397 with Bryan Cook - Recording as An Exit Strategy, Chillin with Tom Dowd, Landing at A&M Studios, and Doing Non-Music Things
My guest is Grammy Nominated Mixing engineer Bryan Cook who has worked with U2, One Republic, Jeff Goldblum, and Switchfoot. In this episode, we discuss:
Early life in Philly
Studios - A thing that people did
Love for Jazz
Saxophone
Recording as an exit strategy
Bluejay Internship
Chillin with Tom Dowd
Ryan Hewitt
Deciding on a move to LA
Landing at A&M Studios
Moving up in the industry
Professionalism - Egos working together
Moving up the engineering ladder
Sensing upcoming burnout
Michael Andrews
Nobody likes the bad vibe guy
Walk Hard
Transitioning to flying solo
One Republic
How artists find an engineer
U2 project
Push them into the pool
Mixing from home
How to do pricing?
Handling disappointment
Ease with setup
Bounce Factory
Doing non-music things
Matt's Rant: Audio File ManagementLinks and Show Notes
Bryan's Site
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Bryan Cook
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jul 18, 2022 • 57min
WCA #396 with Nick Townsend - Punk Rock, Community College, Fishing, Mastering and Cutting Lacquers
My guest is Los Angeles-based mastering engineer Nick Townsend. Nick loves cutting Lacquers and has worked on releases by Cheap Trick, Weezer, Iron Maiden, Bad Religion, Garbage, Dr. Dre, 2Pac, Grimes, and more. Nick works at Infrasonic Sound.In this episode, we discuss:
Musical Household
Stoner Rock Uncle
Drums at Grandmas House
Punk Rock Bands
Catching the Recording Bug
Community College Recording Program
Pete Lyman
Mechanical Side of the Brain
Fishing
Clay Shooting
Outdoors Activities
Interning
Cutting Lacquers
Cutter Heads
Freelance Mastering
Infrasonic
Apollo Lacquers Fire
Matt's Rant: Audio DegreesLinks and Show Notes
Infrasonic Sound
WCA #306 with Dan Baccigalupi
WCA #261 with Dave Gardner
WCA #199 with Pete Lyman
WCA #251 with Piper Payne
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Nick Townsend
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jul 11, 2022 • 1h 5min
WCA #395 with Daniel Rowland - Rehab vs. College, MTSU, Adrian Belew, LANDR, and The ATMOS Gold Rush
My guest is Daniel Rowland, Head of Strategy and Partnerships at LANDR, Co-owner of Immersive Mixers, Professor at MTSU, and audio engineer. Daniel has worked with Nine Inch Nails, Adrian Belew, Disney, Pixar, David Foster, Star Wars, Marvel, DC Comics, Denzel Curry, Netflix, Fox, Flo Rida, Seal, and Phillip Glass. In this episode, we discuss:
Playing Guitar
Rehab vs. College
MTSU
Production Work
Adrian Belew
NOISE
LANDR
AI Mastering
Linkedin
Rejection of New Ideas
Time Management
The ATMOS Goldrush
Matt's Rant: Things to Consider When Building a StudioLinks and Show Notes
Daniel's Site
Daniel on Linkedin
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Daniel Rowland
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jul 4, 2022 • 58min
WCA #394 with Mike Tucci - Playing in Bands, Seeing the Value In Recording Studios, Working at Masterdisk, The Slow Magic Of LA, and Focusing on Results, Not Gear
My guest is Grammy-Nominated Mastering Engineer Mike Tucci, who has worked with Cory Henry, Living Colour, Doja Cat, Chris Brown, Young Thug, and Unstoppable Death Machines. In this episode, we discuss:
Queens
NYC
Music in Heard Growing Up
Playing in Bands
Seeing the Value In Recording Studios
Going to College
Understanding Recording
Masterdisk
Howie Weinberg
Moving o LA
Moving Into The Box
Not Depending on Other People's Gear
Slow Magic Of LA
Keeping a Simple Setup
Working From Home
Results Are The Only Thing That Matters
Matt's Rant: Who is Professional?Links and Show Notes
Mike on IG
Mike on Soundbetter
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Mike Tucci
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 27, 2022 • 60min
WCA #393 with Leff Lefferts - The World of Film Sound, Working with Randy Thom, Telling Stories, Planning Your Life, Financial Security, and ATMOS
My guest is Leff Lefferts making a return to WCA after his first appearance on WCA #101. Leff comes from a music recording background but has worked in film sound for the last 16 years at Skywalker Sound. He's worked as a Sound Effects Editor, Sound Editor, Supervising Sound Editor, Sound Designer, and Re-Recording Mixer on various movies, including, The Croods: A New Age, The Revenant, The Peanuts Movie, How to Train Your Dragon 2, and many more. In this episode, we discuss:
Randy Thom
Skywalker Sound
ATMOS
Telling Stories
Roles in Film Sound
Technology Changes
Content on Streaming Services
Planning Your Life
Music Industry vs Film Industry
Watching the Credits
Making Records for Enjoyment
Financial Security
UA Plugins
Early Days of Pro Tools
Bay Area Pro Audio Lore
Matt's Rant: Being ProactiveLinks and Show Notes
Leff on WCA #101
Leff's Email
Leff on IMDB
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Leff Lefferts
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 20, 2022 • 42min
WCA #392 with Rachael Moore - Meeting Your Heroes, Community of Success, Thinking Outside the Box, T Bone Burnett, and The Value of Being a Good Human Being
My guest is Grammy-Nominated engineer/mixer Rachael Moore. Rachael primarily works with T Bone Burnett and, as a result, has worked with Robert Plant, Alison Krauss, Elvis Costello, and Jessica Chastain. Rachael also has a hectic freelance schedule working around Nashville, where she is currently based. In this episode, we discuss:
Early Years in Texas
Getting Your Feet Wet at Full Sail
Internship with Jacquire King
Meeting Your Heroes
Community of Success
Dealing with Challenges
Sound Emporium
Financially Making it Work
Learning to Tune Pianos
Thinking Outside the Box
Working with T-Bone
T-Bone Burnett
How You Make People Feel In a Session
Do’s and Don’ts with T-Bone
Freelancing
Home Studio
The Traveling Rig
Dealing with Recalls
Advice for the Up and Comers
Financial Lessons As You Grow
Think of income as a triangle
The Value of Being a Good Human Being
Matt's Rant: Sonic SpaceLinks and Show Notes
Rachel Moore Instagram
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Rachael Moore
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 13, 2022 • 55min
WCA #391 with Steve Rosenthal Part 2 - Magic Shop History, NDA's, 9/11, Importance of Good Staff, and The Business of Restoration
My guest is Grammy-Winning producer, studio owner, and archivist Steve Rosenthal. The man behind the Magic Shop in New York. Steve has worked on projects for Woody Guthrie, Les Paul, Blondie, David Bowie, Foo Fighters, and Erroll Garner projects. Part two of a two-part interview. In this episode, we discuss:
Growing a Client Base
Magic Shop History
Roger Moutenot
Ed Stasium
The World Before Nirvana
Studio Ownership
Lessons Learned Running a Studio
Sonic Highways
Importance of Good Staff
Ownership Style
Getting Coffee for Rick Rubin
NDA's
The Dissolution of the Magic Shop
The Impact of 9/11
Shifting to Restoration
Ted Young
Working with Blondie
Lou Reed
Reinventing yourself
Nora Guthrie
DA-88s and ADATS
MARS
The Business of Restoration
Matt's Rant: BillingLinks and Show Notes
Steve's website.
Reto Peter on WCA
Jessica Thompson on WCA
Simple Invoices
Download 15 Tips to Help you Survive as an Audio Pro
Credits
Guest: Steve Rosenthal
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 6, 2022 • 58min
WCA #390 with Steve Rosenthal Part 1 - Driving Cabs, Punching 16th Notes, Bathrobe Sessions, Living in Dreamland, and The Search for the Perfect Console
My guest is Grammy-Winning producer, studio owner, and archivist Steve Rosenthal. The man behind the Magic Shop in New York. Steve has worked on projects for Woody Guthrie, Les Paul, Blondie, David Bowie, Foo Fighters, and Erroll Garner projects. Part one of a two-part interview. In this episode, we discuss:
Growing up in NY
Getting Started on a Development Deal
The Recording Institute of America
Bad Cab Driver Turned Engineer
Early Days at Atlantic
Learning the "Atlantic Recording Way"
Punching 16th Notes
Skully 12 track
Learning Business and Engineering
Mentorship
Bathrobe Sessions
Buying the Fixtures
Otis Blackwell
Working in the Basement at A&R Records
Buying a Studio in Manhattan
Living in Dreamland
New Wave and Punk in the 80s
Technology Informing Art
Sonic Fashion Trends
Alan Lomax
Sonic Cues
The Plangent Process
The Magic Shop
Building a Studio for Making Rock Records
The Search for the Perfect Console
Matt's Rant: BillingLinks and Show Notes
Steve's website.
Reto Peter on WCA
Jessica Thompson on WCA
Simple Invoices
WCA on Instagram
Matt on Instagram
Connect with Matt on Linkedin
Current sponsors & promos
Credits
Guest: Steve Rosenthal
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith