
The Talk Show With John Gruber
The director’s commentary track for Daring Fireball. Long digressions on Apple, technology, design, movies, and more.
Latest episodes

4 snips
Aug 30, 2023 • 2h 46min
383: ‘A Photocopy of a Fax’, With Jason Snell
Jason Snell, an expert in technology and publishing, joins the talk show. Topics include John Warnock and Adobe, Disney and Apple, the iMac’s 25th anniversary, and more. They also discuss the transformative impact of the Mac, the game show 'The Price is Right,' Merv Griffin's success, comparing AirPods Pro models, issues with SEO and broken media business models, potential partnership between Apple and Disney, Apple's expanding services revenue, the significance of the iMac, Apple's transformation, and the evolution of USB connectors.

Aug 1, 2023 • 1h 40min
382: ‘What’s Happening‽’, With Craig Hockenberry
Craig Hockenberry, the special guest with the special fleshy palms, returns to the show. Topics include Twitter/X, foldable phones, and our favorite features in iOS 17 now that it’s in public beta.
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Craig’s weekend fun: updating Twitter’s “How to Tweet” support document to “How to X”. Surprisingly funny.
Adam Sandler’s “Ode to My Car”:
“Car honk” radio-friendly version, which really is even funnier than the album version.
Album version, replete with cuss words.
The Iconfactory.
Triode: “The best way to enjoy all of your favorite Internet radio stations wherever you go.”
The rest of their excellent lineup of apps.
Furbo, Craig’s blog.
Morton Downey Jr., “trash TV” pioneer.
YouTube clips.
Studio Neat’s Material Docks, perfect for the upcoming Standby mode in iOS 17.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Jul 12, 2023 • 1h 55min
381: ‘Tape Deck Dongle’, With Joanna Stern
Joanna Stern returns to the show. Topics include the launch of Threads, Apple’s Vision Pro, and iPhone/iCloud device security. Also, some accidental car talk.
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Joanna’s Rock ’Em Sock ’Em CEOs, Zuck vs. Musk Edition.
Zuck vs. Cook, back in 2021.
Joanna and Nicole Nguyen’s investigative series for the WSJ on organized thieves stealing Apple IDs after stealing iPhones and gleaning their passcodes:
February: “A Basic iPhone Feature Helps Criminals Steal Your Entire Digital Life”
April: “The iPhone Setting Thieves Use to Lock You Out of Your Apple Account”
Me and Joanna trying to figure out whether Facebook should make an iPad app or web app next for Threads. (It’ll probably be the web app.)
Hillary Clinton joins Threads with a joke, and the top replies are civil and fun.
Paris Hilton’s collection of old — really old — phones.
Mark Zuckerberg posting on Threads:
Chatting with Sundar Pichai.
And Jeff Bezos.
Dunking on Elon Musk.
And tweeting for the first time in 11 years.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Jun 30, 2023 • 2h 4min
380: ‘The M Is for Magnificent’, With Matthew Panzarino
Matthew Panzarino returns to the show for a post-WWDC discussion about Vision Pro and VisionOS.
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Panzarino’s first impressions of Vision Pro.
Yours truly’s.
Lenticular lenses and screens.
James Thomson demoing PCalc running as a native VisionOS app in the SDK simulator.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Jun 17, 2023 • 1h 56min
379: ‘An Extra Kick in the Nuts’, With Christian Selig
Christian Selig, developer of the excellent apps Apollo and Pixel Pals, joins the show to talk about Reddit's Twitter-fication, along with highlights from WWDC 2023.
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Links:
Craig’s weekend fun: updating Twitter’s “How to Tweet” support document to “How to X”. Surprisingly funny.
Adam Sandler’s “Ode to My Car”:
“Car honk” radio-friendly version, which really is even funnier than the album version.
Album version, replete with cuss words.
The Iconfactory.
Triode: “The best way to enjoy all of your favorite Internet radio stations wherever you go.”
The rest of their excellent lineup of apps.
Furbo, Craig’s blog.
X Corp’s crazy-bright fast-flashing headquarters sign.
Morton Downey Jr., “trash TV” pioneer.
YouTube clips.
Studio Neat’s Material Docks, perfect for the upcoming Standby mode in iOS 17.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Jun 8, 2023 • 1h 59min
378: ‘Live From WWDC 2023’, With John Ternus, Mike Rockwell, Craig Federighi, and Greg Joswiak
Back in San Jose’s historic California Theatre for the first time since 2019, special guests John Ternus, Mike Rockwell, Craig Federighi, and Greg Joswiak join me to discuss the news and announcements from WWDC 2023.
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Links:
Apple's WWDC 2023 Keynote.
WWDC 2023 highlights.
My first impressions of Vision Pro and VisionOS.
Audio engineering: Caleb Sexton.

Jun 1, 2023 • 1h 58min
377: ‘guyenglish.zip’, With Guy English
Guy English returns to the show to talk about the live show from WWDC, Mac Pros past and future, Marathon and Mac gaming, and Apple’s seemingly imminent XR headset. And definitely not to talk about Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker.
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Links:
The Talk Show Live From WWDC 2013, with special guests Guy English and Scott Simpson. (Audio only — no video back then.)
Tickets for this year’s show at WWDC 2023.
SectorC: A C compiler in 512 bytes.
Wikipedia’s entry on the original Marathon.
“How Bungie’s Marathon Connects to the Original Game”.
Bungie’s teaser site for the new Marathon.
Apple’s MS-DOS compatible 486 Macintosh from 1995.
Harman Kardon SoundSticks. (In the show, we erroneously attribute them to Bose. We regret the error.)
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

19 snips
May 29, 2023 • 1h 44min
376: ‘One True HIG’, With Neil Jhaveri
Neil Jhaveri, founder and lead developer of Mimestream, the terrific new native Mac email client for Gmail, joins the show to talk about email, Mac apps, and indie software development.
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Mimestream.
Mimestream FAQ.
Mimestream: Why subscription licensing?
Roadmap.
Fastmail.
JMAP.
Superhuman — $30/month web app front-end to Gmail.
Hey — 37signals’s email service and app.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

May 23, 2023 • 2h 11min
375: ‘No False Humidity’, With Jason Snell
Special guest: Jason Snell. Topics: Headset, headseat, headset. And no baseball talk other than how games might look in VR. Also: Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad, and GM's dumb decision to drop CarPlay.
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Links:
Will Carroll at Under the Knife, speculating on how Apple could revolutionize sports broadcasting in VR.
Steve Jobs introducing the original iPhone.
Jason on the new Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro apps for iPad.
Me ranting about GM dropping CarPlay.
Mac versions of Apple’s iWork apps lost features in 2013 for compatibility with iOS versions.
‘Ford CEO Jim Farley Seems Very Happy That GM Is Dropping CarPlay’.
My wife’s photo from our seats at Celtics-Sixers game 6.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

May 1, 2023 • 1h 48min
374: ‘The Paul McCartney of Car Salesmen’, With John Moltz
John Moltz, ace reporter from The Daily Planet, returns to the show. Topics include Apple pushing ads through its own built-in apps, car shopping, and the burgeoning Twitter alternative Bluesky.
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Links:
“This Week in Apple” — Moltz’s new weekly column at Six Colors.
My piece on DF re: an unwanted and unnecessary promotion for Apple Arcade in the iOS Settings app.
Chevy is cancelling the Bolt and really wants your data.
gruber.com, home of the Gruber Motor Company and other fine subsidiaries of The Gruber Company.
The saga behind “Superman II” and the Richard Donner cut.
Bluesky:
The waiting list for invitation codes.
Bluesky: How to set a custom domain name as your Bluesky handle.
NYT: “What Is Bluesky and Why Are People Clamoring to Join It?”
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.