

Changelog Interviews
Changelog Media
Conversations with the hackers, leaders, and innovators of the software world. Adam Stacoviak and Jerod Santo face their imposter syndrome so you don’t have to. Expect in-depth interviews with the best and brightest in software engineering, open source & leadership. This is a polyglot podcast. All programming languages, platforms & communities are welcome.
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Jul 31, 2024 • 1h 49min
Open is the way
Joseph Jacks (JJ) is back! We discuss the latest in COSS funding, his thesis for investing in commercial open source companies, the various rug pulls happening out there in open source licensing, and Zuck/Meta’s generosity releasing Llama 3.1 as “open source.”
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Test Double – Great software is made by great teams. Test Double builds both.
Intel Innovation 2024 – Early bird registration is now open for Intel Innovation 2024 in San Jose, CA! Learn more OR register
Featuring:Joseph Jacks – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
OSS Capital
Changelog Interviews #320: Venture capital meets commercial OSS
Mark Zuckerberg on Llama 3.1, Open Source, AI Agents, Safety, and more
Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s AI Era
Open Source AI Is the Path Forward
Just realized that I’ve led 37 rounds of funding at incorporation where OSS Capital was the first investor on the cap table…
Silicon Valley! Jian Yang’s New Pied Piper scene
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jul 24, 2024 • 1h 40min
The man behind the Sandwich
Adam Lisagor (Sandwich Video founder) takes us behind the Sandwich to share his insights into the importance of storytelling in the tech industry, the value of helping Founders communicate their stories effectively, the details behind his new AI company, and the apps he’s making for Apple Vision Pro at Sandwich Vision.
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Neon – Fleets of Postgres! Enterprises use Neon to operate hundreds of thousands of Postgres databases: Automated, instant provisioning of the world’s most popular database.
Paragon – Ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors, or configure your own custom integrations. Built for product and engineering. Learn more at useparagon.com/changelog
Intel Innovation 2024 – Early bird registration is now open for Intel Innovation 2024 in San Jose, CA! Learn more OR register
Featuring:Adam Lisagor – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Sandwich (Video)
useful.computer - The AI app/company Adam and Beamer are working on
Sandwich Vision - Television and Theater apps for Apple Vision Pro
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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Jul 17, 2024 • 1h 12min
What even is the modern data stack
In this engaging conversation, Benn Stancil, co-founder of Mode and insightful commentator on data, joins Shane Harder from Cronitor, David Hsu of Retool, and Brian Clark from Neon. They explore the modern data stack and the potential dissolving of analytics teams, comparing the analytics sector to a Ponzi scheme. The group discusses innovative database technologies that allow safe testing changes, and shares unique tips for captivating public speaking. The interplay of product simplicity and backend complexities rounds out their thought-provoking dialogue.

Jul 11, 2024 • 1h 35min
It all starts with Postgres
Paul Copplestone, CEO of Supabase (the meme-lord himself), joins the show to take us on the journey of Supabase leading Postgres for life, and how it all starts with Postgres as the base-layer substrate for the entire Supabase platform. They’re laser focused on the drive ahead, not the rear-view mirror.
Disclosure: Adam and Jerod are angel investors in Supabase.
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Paragon – Ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors, or configure your own custom integrations. Built for product and engineering. Learn more at useparagon.com/changelog
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Featuring:Paul Copplestone – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Supabase.com
Changelog News #54: 🔥 Supabase quietly went public today
“Build in a weekend, scale to millions”
29% of Y Combinator batch (W24) use Supabase
Oriole joins Supabase
We are moving to General Availability (April 2024)
Changelog #476: Supabase is all in on Postgres
How to Run Supabase Locally
Supabase local development
Changelog #590: Good timing makes great products
Fly Postgres, managed by Supabase
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jul 3, 2024 • 1h 12min
Code review anxiety
Carol Lee (Clinical Scientist) shares her research on code review anxiety. We dive deep into her recent research paper “Understanding and Effectively Mitigating Code Review Anxiety”. We get into all the nooks and crannies of this topic — common code review myths, strategies for coping, the need for awareness and self-reflection, the value of exposure and practice to build confidence, the importance of team dynamics, respect, empathy, and connection, and more. This show is jam-packed with goodies for everyone…and we even give a nod to the work we did on our podcast Brain Science.
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1Password – Build securely with 1Password - 1Password simplifies how you securely use, manage, and integrate developer credentials. Manage SSH keys and sign Git commits. Access secrets stored in 1Password. Automate administrative tasks. Integrate with third-party tools. Also, check out our INFRASTRUCTURE.md file for more details on how we do secrets with 1Password.
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Featuring:Carol Lee – GitHub, LinkedIn, MastodonAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:Get in touch with Carol at carolslee29--at--gmail.com
Carol’s research paper Understanding and Effectively Mitigating Code Review Anxiety
Code Review Anxiety Workbook
Developer Success Lab (or also)
Brain Science
Margin: Restoring Emotional, Physical, Financial, and Time Reserves to Overloaded Lives
Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 26, 2024 • 1h 32min
MAJOR.SEMVER.PATCH
Predrag Gruevski and Chris Krycho joined the show to talk about SemVer. We explore the challenges and the advantages of semantic versioning (aka SemVer), the need for improving the tooling around SemVer, where semantic versioning really shines and where it’s needed, Types and SemVer, whether or not there’s a better way, and why it’s not as simple as just opting out.
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Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Predrag Gruevski – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XChris Krycho – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
cargo-semver-checks
Hyrum’s Law
unison-lang.org
TrueNAS SCALE
React Versioning Policy
Ubuntu version history
semver-ts.org - Semantic Versioning for TypeScript Types
The Wi-Fi only works when it’s raining
April Cools
obi1kenobi/trustfall
How to Query Almost Everything (with Trustfall) - 10min tech talk
More than 1 in 6 of the top Rust libraries has broken SemVer by accident
How cargo-semver-checks works & why it’s important
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 19, 2024 • 1h 30min
Securing GitHub
Jacob DePriest, VP and Deputy Chief Security Officer at GitHub, joins the show this week to talk about securing GitHub. From Artifact Attestations, profile hardening, preventing XZ-like attacks, GitHub Advanced Security, code scanning, improving Dependabot, and more.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members save 14 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Socket – Secure your supply chain and ship with confidence. Install the GitHub app, book a demo or learn more
Neon – Fleets of Postgres! Enterprises use Neon to operate hundreds of thousands of Postgres databases: Automated, instant provisioning of the world’s most popular database.
Cronitor – Cronitor helps you understand your cron jobs. Capture the status, metrics, and output from every cron job and background process. Name and organize each job, and ensure the right people are alerted when something goes wrong.
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Jacob DePriest – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Where does your software (really) come from?
Keeping secrets out of public repositories
GitHub Advanced Security
Dependabot
Introducing Artifact Attestations–now in public beta
Software Bill of Materials (SBOM)
😶🌫️ Who in the world is Jia Tan?!
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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Jun 12, 2024 • 1h 33min
Retired, not tired.
Kelsey Hightower is back to share more of his wisdom. This time it’s one year after his retirement from Google. But guess what? He might be “retired,” but he’s not tired. In this episode Kelsey shares what drives him, what he fears, and how he thinks through his life choices and parenting. This is a good one.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members get a bonus 6 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today!Sponsors:Sentry – Code breaks, fix it faster. Don’t just observe. Take action. Sentry is the only app monitoring platform built for developers that gets to the root cause for every issue. 90,000+ growing teams use sentry to find problems fast. Use the code CHANGELOG when you sign up to get $100 OFF the team plan.
1Password – Build securely with 1Password - 1Password simplifies how you securely use, manage, and integrate developer credentials. Manage SSH keys and sign Git commits. Access secrets stored in 1Password. Automate administrative tasks. Integrate with third-party tools. Also, check out our INFRASTRUCTURE.md file for more details on how we do secrets with 1Password.
Cronitor – Cronitor helps you understand your cron jobs. Capture the status, metrics, and output from every cron job and background process. Name and organize each job, and ensure the right people are alerted when something goes wrong.
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Kelsey Hightower – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
“I’m retired, not tired.”
Changelog & Friends #6: Even the best rides come to an end
Run:ai
Brondell Bidet
From Sleeping in His Car to Distinguished Engineer at Google (Kelsey Hightower)
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 5, 2024 • 2h 47min
Microsoft is all-in on AI: Part 2
Mark Russinovich, Eric Boyd & Neha Batra join us to discuss the state of AI for Microsoft and OpenAI at Microsoft Build 2024. It’s safe to say that Microsoft is all-in on AI.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members save 14 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Cronitor – Cronitor helps you understand your cron jobs. Capture the status, metrics, and output from every cron job and background process. Name and organize each job, and ensure the right people are alerted when something goes wrong.
1Password – Build securely with 1Password - 1Password simplifies how you securely use, manage, and integrate developer credentials. Manage SSH keys and sign Git commits. Access secrets stored in 1Password. Automate administrative tasks. Integrate with third-party tools. Also, check out our INFRASTRUCTURE.md file for more details on how we do secrets with 1Password.
Neon – The fully managed serverless Postgres with a generous free tier. Neon separates storage and compute to offer autoscaling, branching, and bottomless storage.
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Mark Russinovich – LinkedInEric Boyd – LinkedInNeha Batra – GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Mark Russinovich, Author on Amazon
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 30, 2024 • 1h 4min
Microsoft is all-in on AI: Part 1
Scott Guthrie from Microsoft discusses Microsoft's AI focus at Build 2024 including Copilot, Azure AI, VS Code, and the future of AI in healthcare. They explore AI in Azure, GitHub, VS Code, and the evolution of AI applications. Topics cover open source transition, AI in VS Code, and AI's role in real-time incident summaries. Microsoft Build 2024 showcases AI's impact on transforming apps and daily life.


