
Changelog Interviews
Conversations with the hackers, leaders, and innovators of the software world. Adam Stacoviak and Jerod Santo face their imposter syndrome so you don’t have to. Expect in-depth interviews with the best and brightest in software engineering, open source & leadership. This is a polyglot podcast. All programming languages, platforms & communities are welcome.
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Feb 21, 2024 • 1h 12min
Making shell history magical with Atuin
Today we speak with Ellie Huxtable, the creator of a magical open source tool for syncing, searching & backing up your shell history. Along the way we learn all about the sync service, why she likes Rust, the branding / marketing of the project, how she quit her job to work on it full time, the business model & so much more.
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Synadia – Take NATS to the next level via a global, multi-cloud, multi-geo and extensible service, fully managed by Synadia. They take care of all the infrastructure, management, monitoring, and maintenance for you so you can focus on building exceptional distributed applications.
imgproxy – imgproxy is open source an optimizes images for the web on the fly. It makes websites and apps blazing fast while saving storage and SaaS costs. It uses the world’s fastest image processing library under the hood — libvips. It is screaming fast and has a tiny memory footprint.
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Featuring:Ellie Huxtable – Website, Mastodon, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Atuin
Efficient Linux at the CLI with Daniel J. Barrett (Changelog Interviews #547)
Here’s how to quickly navigate your shell’s history of commands
RVM and Ruby Version Managment with Michal Papis (Changelog Interviews #102)
thoughtbot/rcm: rc file (dotfile) management
ivaaaan/smug: Session manager and task runner for tmux
RVM
Wayne Seguin
RVM and BDSM (Changelog Interviews #66)
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Feb 16, 2024 • 1h 17min
What exactly is Open Source AI?
This week we’re joined by Stefano Maffulli, the Executive Director of the Open Source Initiative (OSI). They are responsible for representing the idea and the definition of open source globally. Stefano shares the challenges they face as a US-based non-profit with a global impact. We discuss the work Stefano and the OSI are doing to define Open Source AI, and why we need an accepted and shared definition. Of course we also talk about the potential impact if a poorly defined Open Source AI emerges from all their efforts.
Note: Stefano was under the weather for this conversation, but powered through because of how important this topic is.
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Synadia – Take NATS to the next level via a global, multi-cloud, multi-geo and extensible service, fully managed by Synadia. They take care of all the infrastructure, management, monitoring, and maintenance for you so you can focus on building exceptional distributed applications.
CIQ / Rocky Linux – CIQ is Rocky Linux’s founding support partner. They support the free, stable, and secure Linux distro called Rocky Linux.
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Stefano Maffulli – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Open Source Initiative (OSI)
Discuss the “Open Source AI Definition”
A new draft of the Open Source AI Definition: v.0.0.5 is available for comments
The Open Source AI Definition
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Feb 8, 2024 • 1h 53min
Taking on Goliath
This week on The Changelog we’re talking with Nadia Odunayo, founder of StoryGraph. Nadia started out as a one woman dev and product team — she’s had to adjust and maneuver along way to becoming the Amazon-free alternative to Goodreads.
We talk about the importance of customer research, the iterative nature of customer research and what it takes to synthesize and analyze the findings to guide product development, the technical challenges and learnings she faced while building StoryGraph, for example at several points they’ve faced challenges in handling an influx of users and had to re-architect the system. We also talk about the business model of StoryGraph and how they generate revenue through Plus subscriptions, and partnerships with publishers for book giveaways.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members get a bonus 10 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today!Sponsors:Vercel – Zero configuration for over 35 frameworks Vercel is the Frontend Cloud makes it easy for any team to deploy their apps. Today, you can get a 14-day free trial of Vercel Pro, or get a customized Enterprise demo from their team. Visit vercel.com/changelogpod to get started.
CIQ / Rocky Linux – CIQ is Rocky Linux’s founding support partner. They support the free, stable, and secure Linux distro called Rocky Linux.
Read Write Own – Read, Write, Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet—a new book from entrepreneur and investor Chris Dixon—explores one possible solution to the internet’s authenticity problem: Blockchains. From AI that tracks its source material to generative programs that compensate—rather than cannibalize—creators. It’s a call to action for a more open, transparent, and democratic internet. One that opens the black box of AI, tracks the origins we see online, and much more. Order your copy of Read, Write, Own today at readwriteown.com
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Featuring:Nadia Odunayo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
StoryGraph.com
StoryGraph Plus
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Feb 2, 2024 • 1h 25min
In the beginning (of generative AI)
The podcast explores phone hacking via frequency, the role of a data engineer, the AI hype cycle, ethical considerations around AI-generated content. They also discuss the tension between AI and traditional engineering and the inevitability of AI integration into everything.

Jan 26, 2024 • 1h 28min
Shift left, seriously.
This week we’re going deep on security and what it takes to shift left, seriously. Adam is joined by Justin Garrison (co-host of Ship It), plus two members of the BoxyHQ team — Deepak Prabhakara, Co-founder & CEO and Schalk Neethling, Community Manager and DevRel as well as fellow Changelog Slack member.
We discuss how to shift left, the role of the developer and the burden of security, the importance of tooling, the difference between authentication and authorization, and a mindset change for when security takes place — it’s a matter of “when” not “who.”
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Synadia – Take NATS to the next level via a global, multi-cloud, multi-geo and extensible service, fully managed by Synadia. They take care of all the infrastructure, management, monitoring, and maintenance for you so you can focus on building exceptional distributed applications.
Read Write Own – Read, Write, Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet—a new book from entrepreneur and investor Chris Dixon—explores one possible solution to the internet’s authenticity problem: Blockchains. From AI that tracks its source material to generative programs that compensate—rather than cannibalize—creators. It’s a call to action for a more open, transparent, and democratic internet. One that opens the black box of AI, tracks the origins we see online, and much more. Order your copy of Read, Write, Own today at readwriteown.com
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Deepak Prabhakara – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XSchalk Neethling – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, MastodonAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJustin Garrison – GitHub, LinkedIn, XShow Notes:
BoxyHQ.com
SAML Jackson - Enterprise SSO made simple
Enterprise SaaS Starter Kit
MVSP (Minimum Viable Secure Product
Minimum Viable Secure Product (MVSP) checklist
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jan 17, 2024 • 1h 24min
Let's talk FreeBSD (finally)
This week we’re joined by FreeBSD & OpenZFS developer, Allan Jude, to learn all about FreeBSD. Allan gives us a brief history of BSD, tells us why it’s his operating system of choice, compares it to Linux, explains the various BSDs out there & answers every curious question we have about this powerful (yet underrepresented) Unix-based operating system.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members save 10 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Vercel – With zero configuration for over 35 frameworks, Vercel’s Frontend Cloud makes it easy for any team to deploy their apps. Today, you can get a 14-day free trial of Vercel Pro, or get a customized Enterprise demo from their team. Visit vercel.com/changelogpod to get started.
Rocky Linux – From Flops and Threads - Episode #4: Ask Me Anything (AMA) with OpenELA — OpenELA will provide sources necessary for downstreams compatible with RHEL to exist, with initial focus on RHEL versions EL8, EL9 and possibly EL7. The project is committed to ensuring the continued availability of OpenELA sources to the community indefinitely. By welcoming other organizations and community members to join and contribute actively, OpenELA seeks to build a robust, community-driven standard that ensures impartiality and equilibrium in the EL ecosystem.
Read Write Own – Read, Write, Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet—a new book from entrepreneur and investor Chris Dixon—explores one possible solution to the internet’s authenticity problem: Blockchains. From AI that tracks its source material to generative programs that compensate—rather than cannibalize—creators. It’s a call to action for a more open, transparent, and democratic internet. One that opens the black box of AI, tracks the origins we see online, and much more. Order your copy of Read, Write, Own today at readwriteown.com
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Allan Jude – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
The FreeBSD Project
FreeBSD on Wikipedia
Repology, the packaging hub
Allan’s podcast: 2.5 Admins
FreeBSD Mastery: Advanced ZFS (Amazon)
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jan 11, 2024 • 1h 21min
Amazon's silent sacking
Justin Garrison, a former Amazon employee, shares his firsthand insights into the tech industry's recent transformations and the reality of silent layoffs. He discusses how tools like Kubernetes are reshaping software development and the consequences of corporate restructuring on employee morale. Justin emphasizes the critical role of operations teams, the need for employee advocacy, and the complex dynamics of trust in high-stakes environments. Plus, he reveals his new role as host of Ship It!, promising fresh content and community engagement.

Jan 4, 2024 • 1h 4min
Dear new developer
Dan Moore, author of 'Letters to a New Developer,' shares wisdom on online communities for developers, communication skills, and staying relevant in the industry. Advice includes saying no, improving code, and skill stacking.

Dec 20, 2023 • 1h 46min
State of the "log" 2023
Our 6th annual year-end wrap-up episode! This time we’re featuring 12 (yes, 12!) listener voice mails, our favorite episodes of the year & some insanely cool Breakmaster Cylinder beats made just for this occasion. Thanks for listening! 💚
Join the discussionChangelog++ members get a bonus 5 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today!Sponsors:Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Typesense – Lightning fast, globally distributed Search-as-a-Service that runs in memory. You literally can’t get any faster!
Featuring:Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:Arthur Maltson’s favs:
Friends #11: An aberrant generation of programmers with Justin Searls & Landon Gray
Interviews #551: DX on DX with Abi Noda
Interviews #453: Leading leaders who lead engineers with Lara Hogan
Hal’s favs:
Interviews #524: Mainframes are still a big thing with Cameron Seay
Interviews #545: Rebuilding DevOps from the ground up with Adam Jacob
Friends #20: Beat freak in residence with BMC
Changelog News
Rory O’Connor’s favs:
Interviews #524: Mainframes are still a big thing with Cameron Seay
Brett Cannon’s favs:
Interviews #565: Pushing back on unconstrained capitalism with Cory Doctorow
Interviews #558: Open source is at a crossroads with Steve O’Grady
Interviews #549: Storytime with Steve Yegge
Interviews #537: Hard drive reliability at scale with Andy Klein
Special: Next Level
Interviews #553: 30 years of Debian with Jonathan Carter
Interviews #533: A new path to full-time open source with Filippo Valsorda
Interviews #524: Mainframes are still a big thing with Cameron Seay
Interviews #523: Just Postgres with Craig Kerstiens
Jarvis Yang’s favs:
Friends #9: Homelab nerds, unite! with Techno Tim
Jamie Curnow’s favs:
Interviews #540: Engineering management (for the rest of us) with Sarah Drasner
Interviews #527: What it takes to scale engineering with Rachel Potvin
Friends #16: The beginning of the end of physical media with Christina Warren
Changelog Beats!
AJ Kerrigan’s favs:
Interviews #553: 30 years of Debian with Jonathan Carter
Interviews #547: Efficient Linux at the CLI with Danil J. Barrett
Friends #15: #define: a game of fake definitions
JS Party #299: Tech by Choice with Valerie Phoenix
Friends #20: Beat freak in residence with BMC
Alex’s favs:
Friends #23: The state of the 2023 tech market with Gergely Orosz
Interviews #535: Examining capitalism’s chokepoints with Cory Doctorow
Interviews #565: Pushing back on unconstrained capitalism with Cory Doctorow
Interviews #534: LLMs break the internet with Simon Willison
Schalk Neethling’s favs:
Friends #11: An aberrant generation of programmers with Justin Searls & Landon Gray
JS Party #288: Refined thinking with Jim Nielsen
Friends #12: You call it tech debt I call it malpractice with Kris Brandow
Go Time #291: Go templating using Templ
Friends #18: Human skills to pay the bills with KBall
JS Party #299: Tech by Choice with Valerie Phoenix
Cory Doctorow on restoring the dream of tech workers - YouTube
Matteo Collina on how he believes AWS fooled devs & sabotaged the industry (to make more money) - YouTube
Unpopular opinion! We’ll move from streaming back to owning content - YouTube
Tillman Jex’s favs:
Interviews #549: Storytime with Steve Yegge
Interviews #565: Pushing back on unconstrained capitalism with Cory Doctorow
Friends #7: Dear Red Hat… with Jeff Geerling
Jamie Tanna’s favs:
Interviews: #568: Gleaming the KubeCon
Friends #24: HATEOAS corpus with Kris Brandow
Adam’s favs:
Friends #17: Kaizen! Slightly more instant
Interviews #557: Attack of the Canaries! with Haroon Meer from Thinkst
Jerod’s favs:
Interviews #526: Git with your friends featuring Mat Ryer
Interviews #532: Bringing Whisper and LLaMA to the masses with Georgi Gerganov
Also mentioned:
Hobo Johnson’s Tiny Desk Concert
AllttA - The Woods
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Dec 15, 2023 • 1h 27min
ANTHOLOGY — The technical bits
This week we’re taking you to the hallway track of All Things Open 2023 in Raleigh, NC. Today’s episode features: Heikki Linnakangas (Co-founder of Neon and Postgres hacker), Robert Aboukhalil (Bioinformatics software engineer) working on bringing desktop apps to the web with Wasm, and Scott Ford who loves taking a codebase from brown to green at Corgibytes.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members save 12 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Neon – The fully managed serverless Postgres with a generous free tier. We separate storage and compute to offer autoscaling, branching, and bottomless storage.
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Typesense – Lightning fast, globally distributed Search-as-a-Service that runs in memory. You literally can’t get any faster!
Featuring:Heikki Linnakangas – Website, GitHub, LinkedInRobert Aboukhalil – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XScott Ford – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Neon
Sandbox.bio
Corgibytes
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
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