

Psychologists Off the Clock
Debbie Sorensen, Jill Stoddard, Yael Schonbrun, Michael Herold & Emily Edlynn
We are five experts in psychology, bringing you science-backed ideas that can help you flourish in your work, relationships, and health.
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Oct 7, 2019 • 60min
107. Playing Big with Tara Mohr
Do you have something you want to create, a message you want to share, or a calling you keep ignoring? Tara Mohr has practical wisdom for you to unhook from praise and criticism, find your calling, and step into Playing Big. Psychologists Off The Clock started with Taking A Leap inspired by Tara Mohr’s work. Now Diana has the chance to talk with her directly about why it is so difficult for women to speak up, how motherhood re-organizes everything and stepping out of ego into wholeness.
So drag your dreams out from under the carpet and join us for a thought-provoking conversation with Tara Mohr, author of the Apple iBooks best book of the year Playing Big: Practical Wisdom for Women Who Want to Speak Up, Create, and Lead.
Listen and Learn:
Two types of fear that show up for women in Playing Big
How to meet criticism in a patriarchal world
Why acting on “100% certainty” doesn’t make sense
How to reclaim your power through speech
How “Playing Big” changes in motherhood
The role of women supporting women in Playing Big
Resources:
Playing Big: Practical Wisdom for Women Who Want to Speak Up, Create, and Lead by Tara Mohr
Tara Mohr’s Blog
Playing Big: A leadership program for women
The Hivery: A co-working space for women
The Triple Goddess: Maiden, Mother, and Crone
About Tara Mohr:
Tara Mohr is an influential author, Huffington Post columnist, and expert in woman’s leadership and well-being. Her 2015 book Playing Big: Practical Wisdom for Women Who Want to Speak Up, Create, and Lead was named a best book of the year by Apple’s iBooks. Through her Playing Big Leadership Program and Playing Big Facilitators Training Program Tara seeks to empower women to find their voice and contribute to the creation of a more sane and compassionate world. Tara has an MBA from Stanford University, an undergraduate degree in English from Yale University, and her work has been featured in numerous media outlets such as the Harvard Business Review, ForbesWoman, and The Financial Times. Tara lives in San Francisco, CA with her husband and two children.
1. Taking a Leap Into Something Meaningful
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Sep 30, 2019 • 1h 4min
106. Therapy from “The Heart of ACT” with Robyn Walser
Robyn Walser, a licensed clinical psychologist and expert in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, shares heartfelt insights about her new book, The Heart of ACT. She discusses the importance of prioritizing the therapeutic relationship over rigid techniques. Robyn emphasizes authenticity, self-disclosure, and humor in therapy to foster genuine connections. She also explores the impact of modern challenges on mental health, particularly in tech-driven environments, and the necessity of balancing process and technique while navigating the therapist-client dynamic.

Sep 21, 2019 • 53min
105. The Self-Care Prescription with Robyn Gobin
Self-care is a hot topic these days and many of us feel like we should be doing more of it. Yet, the last thing we need is another “to do” on our list. In this episode, Dr. Robyn Gobin and Diana talk about why self-care is more than just pedicures and bubble baths. Dr. Gobin shares her personal experience with self-care and strategies you can put into practice today. So, practice some real self-care and take a listen!
Listen and Learn:
The 6 domains of self-care
Why “listening in” and mindfulness are keys to physical self-care
How Dr. Gobin is working to change the narrative around self-care and mental health in communities of color
How to use "Emptying The Jug” to tend to your Emotional Self-Care
How Dr. Gobin practices self-care on her busiest days and what Diana is doing for self-care before bed
Simple strategies for therapist self-care
About Dr. Robyn Gobin
Dr. Robyn L. Gobin is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and Assistant Professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign. She is a nationally recognized expert on interpersonal trauma, women's mental health, and the cultural context of trauma recovery in the African American community. She received her doctorate in clinical psychology from the University of Oregon and completed an internship and postdoctoral training at The National Center for PTSD, Brown University, and the San Diego Department of Veterans Affairs. Her latest book, "The Self-Care Prescription: Powerful Solutions to Manage Stress, Reduce Anxiety, and Enhance Well-Being" aims to change the narrative around mental health and self-care in communities of color and teach people how to incorporate self-care into their busy lives in a sustainable way. Dr. Gobin serves on national and community boards and committees, including the American Psychological Association's Society for the Psychological Study of Ethnicity, Culture, and Race. She is the recipient of the Judy E. Hall Early Career Psychologist Award from the National Register of Health Service Psychologists and a Citizen Psychologist Presidential Citation from the American Psychological Association. To learn more about Dr. Gobin, visit her website at www.robyngobin.com or connect with her on Instagram or Facebook. To learn more about her book and purchase your copy, visit Amazon or www.selfcareprescriptions.com.
Resources:
The Self-Care Prescription: Powerful Solutions to Manage Stress, Reduce Anxiety, and Enhance Well-Being by Robin Gobin
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Sep 13, 2019 • 52min
104. You’re Doing It Wrong with Bethany Johnson and Margaret Quinlan
Join us for a journey through the fascinating history of motherhood, media, and medical expertise! Yael interviews professors Bethany Johnson and Margaret Quinlan about the causes and consequences of medicalizing pregnancy and childbirth, and how technology and culture have long created a message that mothers are doing it all wrong. Learn why we need to change that message, and how we can.
In this episode, we explore the following questions:
How have different forms of mothering expertise grown over history, and how has that development impacted women’s experience in mothering?
What are some of the ways that social media proliferates expertise? How does the message of “you’re doing it wrong” impact our experience?
What is the difference between lay and technical expertise and why does it matter for our mothering experience
How has postpartum care evolved over time and what does that mean for the modern mothering experience?
What strategies can we employ to combat the messages of “you’re doing it wrong”?
About Bethany Johnson and Margaret Quinlan
Bethany L. Johnson (MPhil, M.A.) is an instructor in history and an associate member to the graduate faculty and research affiliate faculty in the department of communication studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. She studies how science, medicine, and health discourses are framed and reproduced by institutions and individuals from the 19th century to the present. She has published in interdisciplinary journals such as Health Communication, Women & Language, Departures in Critical Qualitative Research and Women's Reproductive Health.
Margaret M. Quinlan is an associate professor in the department of communication studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. She explores how communication creates, resists and transforms knowledge about bodies. She critiques power structures in order to empower individuals who are marginalized inside and outside of healthcare systems. She authored approximately 40 journal articles, 17 book chapters and co-produced documentaries in a regional Emmy award-winning series.
Resources
You’re Doing it Wrong: Mothering, media, and medical expertise, by Bethany Johnson and Margaret Quinlan (30 percent discount available for our listeners if you use the code to make the purchase through this website. Code: 02AAAA17)
Click here to head to Maggie and Bethany’s research page or here to get more information about their new book.
You can find Maggie and Bethany on social media using the following links:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JQ_Research
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JohnsonQuinlanResearch/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnsonquinlanresearch/
The Marketplace of the Marvelous, by Erika Janik
Previous episodes we refer to during our conversation include an episode on Practical Wisdom with Barry Schwartz and our interview with Emily Oster in which we explore strategies to better decision-making in parenthood.
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Sep 6, 2019 • 53min
103. Healthy Habits with Dayna Lee-Baggley
If you care about your health, but aren’t the type of person who loves to jump out of bed, hit the gym, and reward your efforts with a kale smoothie, this is the podcast episode for you! We all know what healthy behaviors are, but most of us struggle with how to engage in them, especially when they feel hard and unenjoyable. Join Debbie for an engaging discussion with Dr. Dayna Lee-Baggley, author of Healthy Habits Suck: How to Get Off the Couch and Live a Healthy Life….Even if You Don’t Want To, about evidence-based strategies on how to overcome the internal obstacles that make behavior change hard, and how to sustain lifelong healthy habits.
Listen and Learn:
Why healthy habits violate the hard-wiring of our “caveman brain”
How linking health habits to values can make them more meaningful and build motivation
The benefits of focusing on behaviors rather than outcomes to foster success
What is a “smart goal” and how to make them work for you
How to work with the thoughts and emotions that makes healthy habits hard
About Dayna Lee-Baggley:
Dayna Lee-Baggley, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and health-behaviors researcher based in Nova Scotia, Canada where she conducts research on behavior change, obesity, chronic disease, and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Dr. Lee-Baggley holds appointments as an assistant professor in the Department of Family Medicine at Dalhousie University and as an adjunct professor in the Department of Industrial and Organizational Psychology at Saint Mary’s University. She is also the director of the Centre for Behaviour Change Research in Nova Scotia where she conducts research and training in chronic disease management. In addition, Dr. Lee Baggley is an internationally respected ACT trainer, has authored close to 40 peer-reviewed publications, and is the author of the book Healthy Habits Suck: How to Get Off the Couch and Live a Healthy Life….Even if You Don’t Want To.
Resources:
Healthy Habits Suck: How to Get Off the Couch and Live a Healthy Life….Even if You Don’t Want toDayna’s Website (https://drleebaggley.com), where you can find out more about her research, training, and clinical practice.@DrLeeBaggley, Dayna’s Twitter account, where she tweets about healthy habits and tips for healthcare providers
From Debbie and Diana’s Introduction to the Episode:
Check out these Beeswax Wraps and Reusable Produce Bags recommended by Diana to reduce single-use plastic consumption!
Debbie roasting broccoli to go with tofu and peanut sauce, as a move toward her values-based goal of a more plant-based diet!
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Aug 27, 2019 • 1h 9min
102. A Liberated Mind with Steven Hayes
Steven Hayes, co-founder of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, discusses his book 'A Liberated Mind' on the podcast. Topics include avoiding thoughts and feelings, psychological flexibility, and developing a Liberated Mind. The guests also explore self-doubt, emotional avoidance, and empowering growth through values-based actions.

Aug 22, 2019 • 50min
101. The Complete Family Guide to Addiction with Thomas Harrison and Hillary Connery
Addiction is often perceived as a weakness, lack of will power, or a choice. It isn’t. Addiction is a brain disease. It is also a family disease that requires a holistic family approach to treat.
Join Yael for an important discussion with the authors of The Complete Family Guide To Addiction: Everything You Need To Know Now To Help Your Loved One And Yourself. This discussion explores the nature of addiction and evidence-based approaches to responding to a family member or friend in ways that heal the disease, yourself, and your relationship with your loved one.
Listen and Learn:
What addiction is and what addiction is not
Why addiction is a family disease
How our usual way of responding might reinforces our loved one’s addictive behavior
How Community Reinforcement and Family Training (CRAFT) and positive reinforcement facilitates healing
Practical tips to care for yourself while supporting your loved one during treatment.
About Thomas Harrison and Dr. Hillary Connery:
Thomas Harrison is an author who has spent many years as a legal editor and publisher translating highly complex and technical information into simple English. After a close friend developed a substance use disorder, he realized the need for someone to translate the complicated and technical knowledge of addiction research into practical language for family members and friends struggling to cope with the challenges of addiction. Thomas is also the author of The Family Addiction Guidebook.
Hillary Connery, MD, PhD is the Clinical Director of the Substance Use Disorders Division at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. She is also an assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard University and the New England Director for the American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry. Dr. Connery contributed to the American Psychiatric Association Practice Guidelines for the treatment of substance use disorders and specializes in treating opioid use disorders and co-occurring mental illness and substance use disorders.
Resources:
The Complete Family Guide to Addiction: Everything You Need to Know Now to Help Your Loved One and Yourself by Thomas Harrison and Hillary Connery, Ph.D., M.D.
The Family Addiction Guidebook by Thomas Harrison
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Aug 16, 2019 • 51min
100. Celebrating 100 Episodes
We are proud and grateful that we’ve made it to our 100th episode! Take a listen as Debbie, Diana, and Yael share behind-the-scenes bloopers, episode clips, and how Psychologists Off The Clock has changed our lives.
The podcast has been a labor of love for all of us. On the journey to our 100th episode, we have learned a lot about the art of podcasting, and about new strategies and science within the field of psychology. We have welcomed renowned psychologists and writers, explored a variety of important topics, and shared personal and professional practices that we use to flourish. Join us in celebrating and reflecting on lessons learned in our first 100 episodes!
Listen to hear Debbie, Diana, and Yael discuss:
How and why we started the podcast.
What happens behind the scenes (loud children, technical glitches, and guests we admire to the point of verbal paralysis).
Which episodes we use most in our own daily lives, and which episodes we have recommended to our clients and friends.
Some of the Many Episodes We’ve Recommended To Clients and Friends:
7. Insomnia: Strategies to Stop Struggling with Sleep with Dr. Alisha Brosse
36. Weight Loss Strategies From Acceptance And Commitment Therapy With Dr. Jason Lillis
41. Kissing The Frog: How To Establish a Morning Routine
43. Willpower With Dr. Kelly McGonigal
44. Anxiety Happens with Dr. John Forsyth
51. The Psychology of Political Division
62. Language, Suffering, and Meaning with Dr. Matthieu Villatte
77. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy with Dr. Jill Stoddard
78. The Self-Driven Child with Dr. William Stixrud
79. Thriving In Adolescence with Dr. Louise Hayes
82. Clinician's Corner: Therapist Self-Doubt with Jim Lucas
91. Disability as a Form of Diversity with Dr. Erin Andrews
92. Marriage in Midlife: The Rough Patch with Dr. Daphne de Marneffe
The three of us—Diana, Debbie, and Yael—want to extend our gratitude to listeners, for both listening and for providing us with terrific feedback. Thank you so much for making this a worthwhile venture!
Here we are, recording our big 100th episode! (Clockwise from upper left: Diana, Debbie, and Yael)
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Aug 3, 2019 • 49min
99. Make the Most of Your Time with Laura Vanderkam
Time is arguably our most valuable resource, and yet we often don’t manage, allocate, or savor it effectively. In this episode, Debbie talks with Laura Vanderkam, author of several books on time management and productivity, about strategies to make time feel more abundant, memorable, and enjoyable.
Listen and Learn:
Tips for savoring and stretching out pleasure in the passage of time
How to best optimize time by prioritizing your core competencies
Why effortful fun trumps effortless fun
The benefits of keeping a time log for a week
About Laura Vanderkam:
Laura Vanderkam is the author of time management and productivity books, including Juliet’s School of Possibilities, Off the Clock, I Know How She Does It, What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast, and 168 Hours. Her work has appeared in publications including the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Fast Company, and Fortune. She is the host of the podcast Before Breakfast and the co-host, with Sarah Hart-Unger, of the podcast Best of Both Worlds. She lives outside Philadelphia with her husband and four children, and blogs at LauraVanderkam.com.
Resources:
Laura’s Books:
168 Hours: You Have More Time Than You Think
I Know How She Does It: How Successful Women Make the Most of Their Time
What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast
Off the Clock: Fell Less Busy While Getting More Done
Juliet’s School of Possibilities
Laura’s Podcasts:
Before Breakfast
Best of Both Worlds, co-hosted by Sarah Hart-Unger
Laura’s Website, where you can find her blog and time logs - fill one out for yourself!
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Jul 23, 2019 • 56min
98. Narcissism with Avigail Lev and Robyn Walser
Whether it’s your boss, your client, or a family member, interactions with a narcissist can be challenging. Narcissism can present as obvious grandiosity and self-importance but also shows up in more insidious and subtle ways. Covert forms of narcissism make interpersonal interactions confusing and difficult to understand, and can elicit self-doubt, guilt, and even a sense of “going crazy” in others.
In this episode, Drs. Avigail Lev and Robyn Walser delve into a rich discussion on the different types of narcissism, how to spot a narcissist, and how to protect yourself and/or clients from covert forms of this personality trait.
Listen and Learn:
Signs you may be interacting with a highly narcissistic person.
“Gaslighting” and how to spot it.
Strategies for dealing effectively with the narcissistic people in your life.
Whether or not people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder can be treated in psychotherapy.
Resources:
Recorded Online training: ACT For Victims of Narcissistic Abuse by Drs. Lev and Walser
Books about narcissism:
https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Free-Expanded-Emotionally-Relationships/dp/0425279995/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=H943HC0BLUJA&keywords=psychopath+free&qid=1649117574&sprefix=psychopath+free%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/NARCISSISTS-SECRETS-Know-things-they-ebook/dp/B01ITFG65U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=KYO8L249D544&keywords=The+narcissists+secrets&qid=1649117955&sprefix=the+narcissists+secrets%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Charm-Harm-Everything-Narcissist-Narcissistic/dp/1523820179/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3ACAZAPTX4I9D&keywords=from+charm+to+harm&qid=1649118029&sprefix=from+charm+to+harm%2Caps%2C138&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Narcissists-Nightmare-Narcissist-Supplying/dp/B01MFGC6KI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=1UGJ3XQAYBR5R&keywords=The+narcissist+nightmare&qid=1649117614&sprefix=the+narcissist+nightmare%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/STOP-Dancing-Gaslight-Recognize-Domestic-ebook/dp/B00GBJANJM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=23N3UFG1FA698&keywords=Stop+dancing+in+the+gaslight&qid=1649117642&sprefix=stop+dancing+in+the+gaslight%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Human-Magnet-Syndrome-Codependent-Narcissist/dp/168350867X/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3J74EFMA9VUD5&keywords=human+magnet+syndrome&qid=1649117705&sprefix=human+magnet+syndrome%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling/dp/0425191656/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1H7C23AJ3VM65&keywords=why+does+he+do+that&qid=1649117860&sprefix=Why+does+he+do+that%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-3
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=psychopaths+and+love&crid=13Z162P3WYFT3&sprefix=psychopaths+in+love%2Caps%2C96&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_19
Books on narcissism written by narcissists:
https://www.amazon.com/Malignant-Self-Love-Narcissism-Sam-Vaknin/dp/8023833847/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2SAQYQ4CJQZBR&keywords=malignant+self+love&qid=1649117508&sprefix=malignant+self+love%2Caps%2C83&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Fuel-H-G-Tudor/dp/1535383550/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?adgrpid=58809104609&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0_SxlNH79gIVdgaICR0XuggKEAAYASAAEgJnnPD_BwE&hvadid=274736472700&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9012130&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=4742615707929732414&hvtargid=kwd-341301954950&hydadcr=22220_10176634&keywords=hg+tudor+books&qid=1649117436&sr=8-5
https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3OT4Q20KWFVWS&keywords=The+psychopath+within&qid=1649117538&sprefix=the+psychopath+within%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1
About Avigail Lev & Robyn Walser:
Avigail Lev, PsyD, is a psychotherapist, author, and executive coach in the Bay Area. She is the director of the Bay Area CBT Center, a clinic in San Francisco and Oakland that provides Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for individuals and couples.
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