Psychologists Off the Clock

Debbie Sorensen, Jill Stoddard, Yael Schonbrun, Michael Herold & Emily Edlynn
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Dec 13, 2019 • 1h 1min

117. Bearing Unbearable Loss: A conversation About Grief with Joanne Cacciatore

At some point, each and every one of us will lose someone we love. But grief is no cakewalk. And however hard grief is, the pain gets exponentially greater when we are met with the deafening silence and discomfort of others. Join us to create space and a voice for grief with a frank conversation about death, love, and the heartbreaking journey of bearing unbearable loss. In this touching and personal conversation, Yael speaks with Joanne Cacciatore, author of Bearing the Unbearable: Love, Loss, and the Heartbreaking Path of Grief about the nature of grief, how grievers can take their journeys more wisely, and what you can do for someone you love who is grieving. Join us to learn: How to turn towards the grief, and why it is important to How we can help ourselves, or support someone we care about, during times of grief How to grieve, even when your life feels too full to make the time and space Why anger often emerges during grief, and how we can respond to it How grief changes over time About Dr. Joanne Cacciatore Joanne is the author of Bearing the Unbearable: Love, Loss, and the Heartbreaking Path of Grief. Joanne is an associate professor at Arizona State University and conducts research on traumatic loss and grief. She offers a graduate certificate in trauma and bereavement at ASU. You can learn about her novel work with care-farming and grief or about the Kindness Project by clicking the links. You can find Joanne on Facebook and you can watch the breathtaking story of the famous rescue horse, Chemakoh, here. _________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Dec 4, 2019 • 1h 1min

116. Building a Meaningful, Values-based Life with Jenna LeJeune

Living a values-based life is different from a goal-oriented one. A values-based life encompasses more than trying to “feel good” or get to a final destination. When you direct your life toward what really matters to you, you will feel an increased sense of meaning and vitality, whatever situation you find yourself in. Values-based living has greater depth and staying power than goals and resolutions. Join Debbie and Dr. Jenna LeJeune, author of Values in Therapy: A Clinician’s Guide to Helping Clients Explore Values, Increase Psychological Flexibility, and Live a More Meaningful Life, for an encouraging discussion about what “living well” really means and how to increase values-based living in yourself and in your clients. Listen and Learn: What do “values” really mean, and how are they different in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy? How to disentangle values from morals and goals Tips for how to explore what “living well” means to you Why pain deserves appreciation What to do when you feel like your values conflict with each other About Dr. Jenna LeJeune Dr. Jenna LeJeune is a clinical psychologist, author, and co-founder and president of Portland Psychotherapy, an evidenced-based psychotherapy clinic in Portland, Oregon. Dr. LeJeune specializes in using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) to help individuals reorient toward what matters to build a more meaningful and well-lived life. She is a peer-reviewed trainer in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and serves as a mental health expert co-host of the podcast Beyond Well with Sheila Hamilton. A Clinician’s Guide to Helping Clients Explore Values, Increase Psychological Flexibility, and Live a More Meaningful Lifeis Dr. LeJeune’s first book. Resources Values in Therapy: A Clinician’s Guide to Helping Clients Explore Values, Increase Psychological Flexibility, and Live a More Meaningful Life by Jenna LeJeune and Jason LouomaThe Other Side of Happiness: Embracing a More Fearless Approach to Living by Brock Bastian PhDPortland Psychotherapy Clinic Sponsor: Praxis Continuing Education ACT BootCamp® with Steven C. Hayes, Ph.D., Robyn Walser, Ph.D., and Kelly Wilson, Ph.D., cofounders of ACT Portland, OR | February 20–23, 2020; up to 32 CE/CME credits available Sign up with a friend to save 20% off the professional registration price! Meet Our New Co-Host, Dr. Jill Stoddard! In this episode, we also make an exciting announcement about a new Co-Host joining us in January 2020. Listen to learn more about her and her upcoming book you can pre-order! Be Mighty: A Women’s Guide to Liberation from Anxiety, Worry, and Stree Using Mindfulness and Acceptance _________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Nov 26, 2019 • 46min

115. Creating Meaningful Gatherings with Debbie and Diana

Whether you are planning a holiday dinner, a work conference, or a group therapy session, how you design your gathering has a big impact on its outcome. In this episode, Diana and Debbie use the book The Art of Gathering by Priya Parker to explore strategies to make your groups transformative. Grab a slice of pie, some people you love, and enjoy an episode all about meeting with a purpose! Listen and Learn: How to use purpose to design your next party, meeting, or friends’ weekend away Examples of successful gatherings Diana and Debbie have designed and attended What group therapy teaches us about creating effective meetings Why Debbie is practicing “scruffy hospitality” and why Diana likes to visit her purse at parties Ideas to make your Thanksgiving, Winter Holiday or New Year’s celebration impactful With the help of this episode, we hope you gather well this holiday season, and beyond! Resources and Books Mentioned in this Episode: The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters by Priya Parker Playing Big by Tara Mohr Wolf Pack: How to Come Together, Unleash Our Power, and Change the Game by Abby Wambach The Blue Zones: Lessons for Living Longer From the People Who've Lived the Longest by Dan Buettner Article on The Blue Zones Moais Article on Scruffy Hospitality The Bear That Wasn’t by Frank Tashlin Joss Paper Diana uses in group work Theory and Practice of Group Psychotherapy by Irvin Yalom   Sponsor: Praxis Continuing Education ACT BootCamp® with Steven C. Hayes, Ph.D., Robyn Walser, Ph.D., and Kelly Wilson, Ph.D., cofounders of ACT Portland, OR | February 20–23, 2020; up to 32 CE/CME credits available Sign up with a friend to save 20% off the professional registration price!   Ep. 95. Healing Racial Trauma with Dr. Kristee Haggins Ep. 112. Nature vs. Nature: Why Temperament Matters with co-hosts Debbie Sorensen and Yael Schonbrun Ep. 109. How to Loosen Up and Be Less Overcontrolled: Radically Open DBT with Hope Arnold Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Nov 23, 2019 • 49min

114. Way of Effortless Mindfulness with Loch Kelly

Ready to take your mindfulness practice to the next level? What if you could approach life by relaxing back and down into an already awake mind and heart? Join Diana for an inspiring and illuminating discussion with Loch Kelly, seasoned meditator and author of the bestselling book The Way of Effortless Mindfulness: A Revolutionary Guide for Living an Awakened Life about awake awareness, an advanced form of mindfulness that, through little efforts and shifts of awareness, imbues living from a more spacious, interconnected, and heart-centered space. Listen and Learn: What is awake awareness? What does “effortless” have to do with it? How does awake awareness differ from deliberate awareness? Awake awareness vs empathy The value of “glimpses” About Loch Kelly: Loch Kelly, MDiv, LCSW, is a psychotherapist, meditation teacher, and expert in the field of meditation and psychotherapy. He has also authored the best-selling book The Way of Effortless Mindfulness: A Revolutionary Guide for Living an Awakened Life and founded the Open-Hearted Awareness Institute in New York City. Loch’s primary mission is to teach others how to access awakening and to live from open-hearted awareness. Loch contributes to research at the University of Pennsylvania, Yale, and New York University on how training in awareness improves compassion and wellbeing. He received his degrees from Columbia University and Union Theological Seminary. Resources Open-Hearted Awareness Institute The Way of Effortless Mindfulness: A Revolutionary Guide for Living an Awakened Life, book by Loch Kelly   Shift into Freedom: The Science and Practice of Open-hearted Awareness, book by Loch Kelly   Effortless Mindfulness Now: Awakening Our Natural Capacity for Focus, Freedom, and Joy, audiobook by Loch Kelly Shift into Freedom: A Training in the Science and Practice of Open-hearted Awareness, audiobook by Loch Kelly _________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Nov 20, 2019 • 1h 3min

113. Self-Compassion for Parents with Susan Pollak

Parenting can be joyful, but, let’s be honest, it can also be a rough ride sometimes! We try to be good parents to our children and still discover that we feel we are falling short. Author and clinical expert, Dr. Susan Pollak, joins Yael for a discussion about how self-compassion can help you journey through parenting more effectively, confidently, and happily. Join the conversation to learn: What self-compassion is and why it’s so useful in parenting The core components of self-compassion Several mindfulness exercises to build self-compassion (Try them while you are listening!) Self-compassion practices that can be done in three minutes, even with eyes open and your kids in the room! About Dr. Susan Pollak: Dr. Susan Pollak is the President of the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy, a co-founder and teacher at the Center for Mindfulness and Compassion. She is also the author of Self-Compassion for Parents—Nurture Your Child by Caring For Yourself. Resources: Susan’s website Guided meditations with accompanying handouts from Susan A recent piece on A Mindful Exercise to Heal Old Wounds, by Susan Pollak Welcome to Holland piece, by Emily Kingsley Sitting Together, by Susan Pollak Self-Compassion for Parents, by Susan Pollak, Thomas Pedulla, and Ronald Siegel Susan’s Psychology Today Blog, The Art of Now The Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy Diana’s interview on Self-Compassion with Dr. Christopher Germer __________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Nov 14, 2019 • 45min

112. Nature vs. Nurture: Why Temperament Matters with Debbie and Yael

You might sometimes wonder if it’s nature or nurture driving the differences between people. For example, why are some of us extroverts and others introverts? Why are some children risk-takers while others are more inhibited? Well, it turns out that both nature and nurture are important! The nature part of the equation is sometimes overlooked, but our biological temperament plays an important role in the kind of person we become. In this episode, Debbie and Yael discuss Childhood Temperament, the topic of Debbie’s dissertation research at Harvard. They delve into some longitudinal research on the temperamental underpinnings of shyness and behavioral inhibition. They also discuss the clinical implications of individual differences in emotional reactivity, and the personality constructs of introversion and extroversion. Listen and Learn: How “high-reactive” infants differ from “low-reactive” infants How early reactivity correlates with behavioral inhibition and shyness later in childhood Why Attachment research may leave out some important information The importance of “goodness of fit” between parents and their children Whether you a “carpenter” or a “gardener” as a parent parent What introversion and extroversion really means and how to appreciate your personality style Resources: The APA’s list of Eminent Psychologists of the 20th Century Brief Video Showing Kagan’s Temperament Study with Infants Books by Kagan on Temperament: Galen’s Prophecy: Temperament in Human Nature by Jerome Kagan The Long Shadow of Temperament by Jerome Kagan and Nancy Snidman The Gardener and the Carpenter: What the New Science of Child Development Tells Us About the Relationship Between Parents and Children by Alison Gopnik Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World that Can’t Stop Talking by Susan Cain __________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Nov 8, 2019 • 57min

111. Brave New Medicine with Cynthia Li

The delineation that we like to make between mind and body is really an illusion. It’s one complete circuit. -Dr. Cynthia Li In Brave New Medicine: A Doctor’s Unconventional Path to Healing Her Autoimmune Illness Dr. Cynthia Li, an internal medicine physician by training, writes about how her world came crashing down after developing an autoimmune thyroid condition and how she had to journey beyond what Western medicine has to offer to truly heal. Join Diana for a fascinating and important discussion with Dr. Li about functional medicine, a client-centered, science-based approach to looking at and treating the root cause of chronic imbalances in our body. Listen and Learn: How functional medicine differs from both Western and Integrative medicine What are the five main causes of chronic imbalance according to Functional Medicine Tips on specific classes of foods that promote optimal wellness How healing emotional wounds impact physical healing Suggestions for detoxifying your house, re-inhabiting your body, and more! About Dr. Cynthia Li Cynthia Li, MD is a physician, functional medicine practitioner, and author of Brave New Medicine: A Doctor’s Unconventional Path to Healing Her Autoimmune Illness, a memoir about chronic illness and return to wellness that challenges the current healthcare system model. Dr. Li has a private practice in integrative and functional medicine in the San Francisco Bay Area and serves as faculty at the University of California San Francisco Medical School. She is a member of the American Board of Internal Medicine, the Institute for Functional Medicine, and Integrative Medicine for the Underserved. Dr. Li is also a contributing author to the Huffington Post’s “Thrive Global” and Psychology Today. Dr. Li received her medical degree from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, Texas. Resources: Brave New Medicine: A Doctor’s Unconventional Path to Healing Her Autoimmune Illness by Dr. Cynthia Li The Institute for Functional Medicine Dr. Cynthia Li’s website, where you can access her blog and links to Functional Medicine resources __________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Nov 1, 2019 • 53min

110. Parenting Multiples with Susan Wenze

Caring for a newborn has its challenges, but imagine the challenges of caring for two or more newborns at once! More feedings, diapering, laundry and gear to schlep. We are hardwired to respond to our infants so how do you handle more than one infant crying at once? And when the heck do you sleep? It’s no wonder that parents of multiples experience increased sleep deprivation and mental health issues even as they face greater logistical barriers to accessing mental health treatment and care. In this episode, Yael speaks with Dr. Susan Wenze, a mother of twins and clinical psychologist. Sue offers advice for parents of multiples and describes research on the perinatal mental health of parents with multiples. Listen and Learn: Specific mental health concerns for both mothers and fathers of multiples Clever ways to practice self-care in the midst of parenting twins or more How parenting multiples can bring partners closer together and other benefits of parenting twins and more How to ask friends and family for the help that you need Ways to help non-twin siblings also feel special How to do self-care when you are a parent of multiples (terrific advice that can be used by all tired parents!). About Dr. Susan Wenze Susan Wenze, PhD, is a clinical psychologist and assistant professor at Lafayette College in Easton, PA. She conducts research on depression in the general population and perinatal mental health for parents of multiples. Dr. Wenze is also the parent of elementary school-aged identical twins. She received her PhD in Clinical Psychology from American University and completed her clinical residency and postdoctoral fellowship at Brown University. Resources:  Sue’s Lafayette College research website Sue’s work, as featured on NPR National Organization of Mothers of Twins Club, an online resource and community for parents of multiples Twiniversity, an online resource and community for parents of multiples Twins and Multiple Births Association (recently changed the name to Twin Trust), an online resource in the UK __________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Oct 25, 2019 • 44min

109. How to Loosen Up and Be Less Overcontrolled: Radically Open DBT with Hope Arnold (part 2)

Have your friends or loved ones suggested for you to chill out or relax? If our first podcast episode with Hope Arnold, about excessive self-control, leaves you wondering how to help with this biologically-based personality trait, then keep listening!  Join Debbie for another engaging discussion with Hope Arnold, senior clinician, and trainer in Radically Open Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (RO DBT), for evidence-based strategies on how to work with “over-controlling” biology in the service of loosening up a bit, more fulfilling relationships, and gaining the capacity to just chill! Listen and Learn: Why eyebrows are important and too much Botox might be a problem. The benefits of being “ordinary,” being wrong, and seeing what hard experiences can teach us about ourselves. How our threat and safety systems play into overcontrol and treatment The importance of “social signaling” How “Radical Openness” differs from “Radical Acceptance” Resources: Hope’s blogs on Psych Central and Radically Open.net Hope’s webpage Radically Open.net Radically-Open DBT Textbook and Skills Training Manual Take the Styles of Coping Word Pairs Questionnaire here Article on RO-DBT effectiveness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lSm5DASuVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An4WpxGOaHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFDayTx4zL0 About Hope Arnold: Hope Arnold, LCSW, MA is a Senior Clinician and one-day Trainer in Radically Open DBT (RO DBT). She began her RO DBT training with Dr. Tom Lynch, treatment developer, in 2016. Hope writes a blog for PsychCentral on RO DBT topics called Radical Hope. In her clinical work, Hope is the founder of RO DBT Denver in Denver, Colorado, a center dedicated to evidence-based care and treating disorders of overcontrol. She specializes in personality disorders (Obsessive Compulsive PD, Paranoid PD, Dependent PD, Avoidant PD), eating disorders, autism spectrum disorders (special interest in female autism), and treatment-resistant disorders (depression and anxiety). Prior to opening RO DBT Denver, Hope was in private practice at the DBT Center of Houston and was the RO DBT Lead Clinician. Hope graduated from Loyola University in New Orleans with a BBA in marketing. She worked for two of the largest private financial and consulting firms in the world before transitioning to clinical work. She has master’s degrees in social work from the University of Houston and psychology from Saybrook University with a concentration in Jungian studies. Hope has presented at the local, national, and international level on topics related to Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Radically Open DBT, and Jungian Analysis and Theory. She is licensed as an LCSW in the states of Colorado, Texas, and Virginia. For fun, Hope enjoys hiking, traveling, visiting with friends and family, and creating art. __________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Oct 22, 2019 • 43min

108. Is Your Self-Control Out of Control? Radically Open DBT with Hope Arnold (part 1)

Are you good at doing things right, following the rules, and controlling your emotions? Maybe a little too good? Having some degree of self-control, emotional regulation, and willpower can be useful in a lot of ways! But having too much self-control has some downsides. Many people who have an Overcontrolled style of coping look like they have it all together on the outside, but in reality, they don't feel like they do, and their suffering often goes unnoticed. Focusing too much on doing everything “right” can lead to rigidity, perfectionism, and loneliness, making it hard to connect with others and enjoy life. In this episode, the first of a two-part series, Debbie talks with Hope Arnold, a therapist, and trainer who specializes in Radically Open DBT (or RO DBT), which is designed to help people who are Overcontrolled learn to loosen up and reconnect socially. In Part 1, we discuss: The difference between being overcontrolled and under controlled Characteristics associated with overcontrol Some of the common pitfalls of overcontrolled coping How overly controlled facial expressions can affect social connection. In Part 2 of the series, Debbie and Hope will discuss evidence-based clinical strategies for helping people with overcontrol to loosen up and reconnect socially! Resources: Hope’s blogs on Psych Central (Radical Hope) and Radically Open.net Hope’s webpage Radically Open.net Radically-Open DBT Textbook and Skills Training Manual Take the Styles of Coping Word Pairs Questionnaire Article on RO-DBT effectiveness About Hope Arnold: Hope Arnold, LCSW, MA is a Senior Clinician and one-day Trainer in Radically Open DBT (RO DBT). She began her RO DBT training with Dr. Tom Lynch, treatment developer, in 2016. Hope writes a blog for PsychCentral on RO DBT topics called Radical Hope. In her clinical work, Hope is the founder of RO DBT Denver in Denver, Colorado, a center dedicated to evidence-based care and treating disorders of overcontrol. She specializes in personality disorders (Obsessive Compulsive PD, Paranoid PD, Dependent PD, Avoidant PD), eating disorders, autism spectrum disorders (special interest in female autism), and treatment-resistant disorders (depression and anxiety). Prior to opening RO DBT Denver, Hope was in private practice at the DBT Center of Houston and was the RO DBT Lead Clinician. Hope graduated from Loyola University in New Orleans with a BBA in marketing. She worked for two of the largest private financial and consulting firms in the world before transitioning to clinical work. She has master’s degrees in social work from the University of Houston and psychology from Saybrook University with a concentration in Jungian studies. Hope has presented at the local, national, and international level on topics related to Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Radically Open DBT, and Jungian Analysis and Theory. She is licensed as an LCSW in the states of Colorado, Texas, and Virginia. For fun, Hope enjoys hiking, traveling, visiting with friends and family, and creating art. __________________________ Thank you for joining us on this episode of Psychologists Off The Clock. We appreciate your feedback. Please take a moment to leave a quick rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts. It helps us spread the word to more folks like you! Subscribe for free where you listen to podcasts! Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Deezer, iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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