
The Strong AF Climbing Podcast
Climbing is a lifestyle sport. So how can you perform at your best, prevent injury, and improve your longevity in the sport all at the same time? This podcast is the answer. The Strong AF Climbing Podcast is for climbers who want to build strength to support climbing and become more resilient athletes. In this podcast, we’ll talk about all things strength training for climbers, rehab and managing climbing injuries! Hosted by Dr. Natasha Barnes, an elite athlete herself and strength and rehab coach for climbers. Listen to the podcast and hop aboard the gainz train!
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Jun 4, 2025 • 20min
20. It’s Not Just a Strength Program: The Real Value of the FSP
Today I’m pulling back the curtain on what the Foundational Strength Training Program actually is.Because if you’ve ever looked at it and thought, “Eh, I could just get a program like this on ChatGPT or in a climbing training book” you are exactly who this episode is for.SummaryIn this episode, I’m diving into what the Foundational Strength Program (FSP) is really all about. This isn’t just a list of exercises, it’s a full support system designed to help climbers stay consistent with strength training all year long. I talk about why flexibility, coaching, and community are key to making real progress, and I walk you through everything that’s included in the program, from seasonal tracks and time-crunch options to workshops, pain and injury guidance, and free form checks in our private Discord. I also share who this program is designed for, who it’s probably not a great fit for, and why that clarity matters when you’re thinking about your long-term goals as a climber.TakeawaysThe FSP is designed as a full support system for climbers.Many online programs fail to adapt to real-life situations.Strength training benefits not only climbing performance but also overall health.The FSP includes 15 different training programs for various needs.Community support is crucial for maintaining motivation and consistency.Workshops in the FSP help climbers become more independent in their training.Goal setting and planning are essential for long-term success.The program is not for those seeking quick fixes or handholding.Life's unpredictability requires a flexible training approach.Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Foundational Strength Program02:50 The Importance of Real-Life Flexibility in Training06:06 Comprehensive Support and Resources in the FSP08:58 Understanding Who the FSP is For11:50 Enrollment and Community Support in the FSP15:04 Conclusion and Call to ActionFollow me on InstagramJoin the Foundational Strength ProgramBook an Injury ConsultationTrain with me My Websitestrength training, climbing, FSP, coaching, injury prevention, fitness program, auto-regulation, community support, goal setting, training flexibility

May 26, 2025 • 20min
19. Why Strength Training Wrecks You—And Why That’s a Sign, Not a Problem
Takeaways from the episode:Strength training is essential for climbers.Feeling wiped out after lifting indicates a need for capacity building.General physical preparedness (GPP) is crucial for handling both climbing and lifting.Recovery involves sleep, nutrition, and proper training volume.Climbers should not jump into high-volume strength programs too quickly.Off-season training is vital for long-term climbing success.Planning your training year is important for maintaining performance.You can still climb while focusing on strength training.Nutrition plays a key role in recovery and performance.Strength training should complement climbing, not compete with it.Summary:In this episode of the Strong AF Climbing Podcast, Natasha discusses the importance of strength training for climbers and addresses common misconceptions about its impact on climbing performance. She emphasizes that if strength training consistently leaves climbers feeling sore or fatigued, it may indicate a lack of capacity or recovery rather than a flaw in the training itself. Natasha outlines the importance of building general physical preparedness (GPP), ensuring adequate recovery through sleep and nutrition, and the necessity of planning off-seasons for long-term success in climbing. She encourages climbers to adopt a balanced approach to training that supports their climbing goals without overwhelming their bodies.Follow me on InstagramJoin the Foundational Strength ProgramBook an Injury ConsultationTrain with me My Website

Apr 15, 2025 • 29min
18. How to Actually Stick to Your Training When Life Gets Messy
In this episode, Natasha discusses the common reasons why training plans fail and offers practical strategies to create more realistic and flexible training schedules.She emphasizes the importance of mindset shifts, the concept of a 'minimum viable week', and how to adapt plans to fit real-life challenges. The conversation highlights the need for consistency over perfection and provides insights into building sustainable training habits for climbers.TakeawaysMost training plans fail because they are idealistic rather than realistic.Flexibility in training plans is crucial for consistency.Missing a session does not equate to failure; it's part of the process.Reframing setbacks can help maintain motivation and progress.Mental contrasting helps visualize both goals and obstacles.A minimum viable week allows for training even during chaotic times.Building a plan that accounts for real-life challenges is essential.Consistency is more important than perfection in training.Having a backup plan can prevent burnout and frustration.Training should be adaptable to fit individual lifestyles and commitments.Follow me on InstagramJoin the Foundational Strength ProgramBook an Injury ConsultationTrain with me My Website

Feb 19, 2025 • 1h 35min
17. Jesse Firestone Becoming a Lifer: Strength, Longevity & Climbing
What does it really mean to be a lifer in climbing? Is strength training just a trend, or is it the key to climbing longevity?In this episode, I sit down with climbing coach and longtime boulderer Jesse Firestone to talk about how his approach to training has evolved over nearly two decades. We dive into the hard lessons from injuries, the shift from chasing grades to building a sustainable climbing life, and why more climbers should be embracing strength training.🔹 Why Jesse started lifting—and why he kept lifting🔹 The myth that climbers don’t need strength training🔹 How to balance training with projecting & performance seasons🔹 The mental shift from short-term goals to long-term progression🔹 The reality of climbing longevity (and why many pros don’t talk about it)Jesse has coached climbers worldwide, and his take on auto-regulation, RPE, and long-term performance is something every dedicated climber needs to hear. Whether you’re deep in a climbing obsession or trying to figure out how to climb for life, this episode is for you.Follow Jesse on InstagramFollow me on InstagramJoin the Foundational Strength ProgramBook an Injury ConsultationTrain with me My Website

Jan 24, 2025 • 56min
16. Tammy Wilson on Strength Training, Overcoming Injuries, and Being A Client in The Foundational Strength Program
This week, we dive into a compelling episode featuring Tammy Wilson, an accomplished climber and endurance athlete.
Tammy shares her inspiring journey, from discovering climbing in the midst of a snowboarding career to sustaining and overcoming knee injuries, all while incorporating strength training to bolster her performance.
Join us as Tammy discusses the transformative impact of strength training on her climbing, running, and overall fitness. She reveals how gaining nearly 20 pounds of muscle not only improved her climbing abilities but also helped her recover faster from injuries.
Natasha engages Tammy in a conversation filled with practical insights and empowering advice. Whether you're an experienced climber or just setting foot into the gym, Tammy's story will motivate you to take your training and climbing to the next level. Don’t miss out on this episode filled with strength training wisdom and climbing passion.
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Jan 22, 2025 • 1h 5min
15. Balancing Strength Training and Climbing V14 with Kelly Birch
Today we have a remarkable guest who embodies the perfect balance of elite climbing and strength training. Kelly Birch, a climber who has sent routes up to V14 and has a background in competitive powerlifting. Kelly shares her insightful journey, describing how balancing strength training with climbing has boosted her performance on the rock. In this episode, we'll delve into the details of her training, debunk common myths about lifting, and uncover strategies for incorporating strength training without compromising climbing time. Whether you’re a seasoned climber or just starting, this conversation is packed with valuable tips that will inspire you to elevate your training game.
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Nov 27, 2024 • 58min
14. Why You (probably) Don't Need That MRI
In today’s episode, we're tackling an important topic that often goes misunderstood in the world of sports and fitness: the complex role of imaging, specifically MRIs, in diagnosing and managing injuries.
From overuse in healthcare to the startling impact it can have on your psychology and treatment plan, we'll delve into why caution is crucial when considering an MRI. We’ll discuss surprising findings about the prevalence of shoulder abnormalities among elite rock climbers and how these often don’t correlate with pain or performance issues.
We’ll also share an inspiring case study where a climber managed a significant shoulder condition with targeted strength training, avoiding surgery altogether. You’ll hear why imaging isn’t always the best first step for pain management, especially given the high rates of ‘abnormal’ findings in asymptomatic individuals, and how these can lead to unnecessary anxiety and interventions.
Join us as we explore the broader landscape of medical imaging, offering practical advice on when it’s really necessary and stressing the importance of professional assessments. We’ll also touch on the resilience of the human body and how functional recovery should take center stage in your injury rehabilitation journey. Let’s dive in!
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Sep 23, 2024 • 2h 6min
13 Pelvic Floor Health with Annemarie Everett, DPT
In this latest episode of the Strong AF Podcast, we dive deep into the transformative world of pelvic health with our guest expert, Dr. Annemarie Everett, DPT, UCSF grad, a specialist in pelvic floor care, WCS Emeritus (board certified women's health specialist). Together we explore how integrating movement and strength training into pelvic health treatments is changing the game for patients and professionals alike.
What You'll Learn:
Movement as Medicine: Discover how incorporating movement-based strategies into pelvic floor care can offer lasting relief, challenging the traditional reliance on manual therapies alone.
Self-Sufficiency in Health: Learn how empowering patients with autonomy and self-management tools can reshape their approach to long-term pelvic health.
Holistic Health Matters: Natasha and Annemarie discuss how stress, sleep, diet, and mental health are vital elements of a well-rounded treatment plan.
Busting Pelvic Health Myths: From misconceptions about internal exams to the overemphasis on dysfunctions, we shed light on more balanced approaches to care.
Practical Tips for Strength & Pelvic Health: Whether it's managing incontinence while lifting or exploring the benefits of tools like pessaries, this episode is packed with actionable advice.
Takeaways:
Simple exercises like resistance training and cardio can significantly improve pelvic health.
Your lifestyle choices—diet, hydration, and stress management—are just as important as your workout routine.
Special Mention: We also cover critical topics like urinary habits, toileting techniques, and other tools to help manage symptoms effectively.
Sneak Peek at Our Next Episode: Next time, we’ll tackle pelvic health during pregnancy and postpartum, ensuring you’re prepared for all stages of life with confidence.
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Citations:
45% of women in the U.S. experience stress urinary incontinence (SUI)【https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(21)00168-X/abstract】.
Many female powerlifters report SUI during lifting, but only 11% experience it in daily life【https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30666426/】.
Women confident in contracting their pelvic floor had less severe incontinence during lifting. UI is more likely to occur during heavy lifts, especially 1RM attempts【https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8651931/】.
8% of women who previously had UI in daily life became continent after starting CrossFit, though symptoms persisted during training【https://www.dovepress.com/urinary-incontinence-and-women-crossfit-competitors-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IJWH】.
Intra-abdominal pressure (IAP) is relative to individual capacity, not an absolute risk for pelvic floor health【https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8974352/】.
A narrative review of exercise and pelvic floor health by leading researchers【https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-019-01243-1】.
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Sep 11, 2024 • 36min
12 - Consistency Over Perfection: Overcoming All-or-Nothing Thinking
In today's episode, we're tackling a mindset hurdle that many of us face: the "all or nothing" thinking. This common cognitive distortion can throw a wrench into our training consistency, making us believe that it's either perfection or failure. From skipping workouts because of lack of time or equipment, to feeling like one missed session ruins an entire week, it's a mindset that can seriously sabotage long-term progress.
We'll dive into tips and strategies to overcome this, such as doing at least one exercise even when pressed for time, spreading your workouts throughout the week, and keeping quick energy snacks like protein bars or fruit snacks on hand for those low-energy days. We'll also explore how tools like Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE) can help you adapt your training in real-time based on how you feel, ensuring you're always moving forward, no matter what.
Plus, we’ll touch on how to creatively maintain your training routine even when your environment or available equipment changes—think using water bottles or even backpacks loaded with rocks for resistance training! And for all my climbers out there, we'll discuss how to track your climbing-specific progress using apps like KAYA.
Whether you're in the gym, at home, or on the go, today's episode is packed with actionable advice to help you break free from the all-or-nothing trap and keep making gains. So let's get into it!
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Jul 9, 2024 • 37min
Listen to this if you want to lose weight for climbing performance
Dr. Natasha Barnes, a professional focused on climbers' weight and strength training, tackles common misconceptions about weight gain in climbing. She assures that strength training often leads to improved performance without significant weight gain. Natasha discusses the balance between training and health, emphasizing that climbers should prioritize overall well-being over numbers on a scale. Her personal experiences shed light on sustainable performance, and she introduces her foundational strength program designed to help climbers feel lighter and more capable.