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KQED
Ever wonder where the internet stops and IRL begins? Close All Tabs breaks down how digital culture shapes our world through thoughtful insights and irreverent humor. From internet trends to AI slop to the politics of memes, Close All Tabs covers it all.How will AI change our jobs and lives? Is the government watching what I post? Is there life beyond TikTok? Host Morgan Sung pulls from experts, the audience, and history to add context to the trends and depth to the memes. And she’ll wrestle with as many browser tabs as it takes to explain the cultural moment we’re all collectively living.Morgan Sung is a tech journalist whose work covers the range of absurdity and brilliance that is the internet. Her beat has evolved into an exploration of social platforms and how they shape real-world culture. She has written for TechCrunch, NBC News, Mashable, BuzzFeed News and more. We love listening to shows about technology and culture like Power User with Taylor Lorenz, ICYMI, Wow If True, Hard Fork, There Are No Girls On the Internet, Endless Thread, Uncanny Valley from Wired, It’s Been a Minute, and You’re Wrong About. If you like them too, then trust us–you’ll like Close All Tabs.
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Dec 17, 2025 • 32min
Death, Robotaxis, and a Cat Named KitKat
When KitKat, a beloved bodega cat, was killed by a Waymo in San Francisco in late October of this year, the incident quickly went viral. It ignited grief and outrage. It also renewed scrutiny of autonomous vehicles. But in a city where hundreds of animals are hit by vehicles each year, why did this incident — and this particular cat — hit such a nerve?
We hear from Oscar Palma, the first reporter on the scene, about what unfolded the night KitKat was killed. Then, Mission Local managing editor Joe Eskenazi and KQED reporter Sydney Johnson explore the limits of autonomous vehicles and why one cat’s death resonated so deeply in a rapidly gentrifying San Francisco.
Guests:
Sydney Johnson, reporter at KQED
Oscar Palma, reporter at Mission Local
Joe Eskenazi, managing editor at Mission Local
Further Reading/ Listening:
KitKat, liquor store mascot and ‘16th St. ambassador,’ killed — allegedly by Waymo — Oscar Palma, Mission Local
San Francisco Supervisor Calls for Robotaxi Reform After Waymo Kills Neighborhood Cat — Sydney Johnson, KQED
How Kit Kat Was Killed: Video Shows What a Waymo Couldn’t See — Heather Knight, The New York Times
Driverless car startup Cruise's no good, terrible year — Dara Kerr, NPR
Cruise admits lying to feds about dragging woman in San Francisco — Kevin Truong, The San Francisco Standard
Waymo hits dog in S.F. weeks after killing Mission bodega cat — Kelly Waldron, Mission Local
Dog hit by Waymo in SF put down by family after suffering 'severe pelvic trauma' — Alex Baker, KRON4
The self-driving taxi revolution begins at last — The Economist
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Credits:
Close All Tabs is hosted by Morgan Sung. This episode was produced by Maya Cueva and edited by Chris Egusa. Our team includes producer Maya Cueva, editor Chris Hambrick and senior editor Chris Egusa, who also composed our theme song and credits music. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Jen Chien is our Director of Podcasts. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 10, 2025 • 49min
One Year Later, The Internet’s Still Talking About Luigi Mangione
In this captivating discussion, investigative journalist Melkorka Licea offers a deep dive into the chaotic online fandom surrounding Luigi Mangione after his controversial arrest. She unpacks the emergence of various supporter factions, from health-care advocates to innocence believers and thirst-driven fan accounts. Law professor Daniel Medwed sheds light on the complexities of jury selection in high-profile trials, exploring how online narratives can skew perceptions and the risks of jury nullification. Together, they reveal how a single crime has sparked broader cultural conversations.

Dec 3, 2025 • 35min
What Happened to Purple Moon Games for Girls?
In this engaging discussion, producer Maya Cueva shares her nostalgic memories of playing games from Purple Moon, a groundbreaking studio founded by Brenda Laurel. Brenda, a pioneer in interactive media, reveals how Purple Moon aimed to empower girls through narratives and emotional experiences. They discuss the male-dominated gaming industry of the '90s, the unique ways girls play, and the innovative features of Purple Moon's games. Brenda also reflects on the studio's sudden closure and its lasting impact on girls in tech.

Nov 19, 2025 • 38min
Meet Ukraine’s ‘Geeks of War’
In this engaging discussion, investigative journalist Erica Hellerstein guides us through Ukraine's tech-powered resistance, spotlighting the incredible contributions from volunteer groups. Oleksandr Kosovan, CEO of the software company MacPaw, shares insights on wartime tech innovations, including the recent missile damage to their office. Irina Shlukdenko, co-founder of Zyga's Paw, reveals how grassroots efforts are delivering essential tech gear and drones to the front lines. Together, they illustrate an inspiring blend of creativity and resilience in the face of adversity.

Nov 12, 2025 • 36min
Where Do Games Go When They Die?
In this discussion, Ross Scott, a passionate filmmaker and founder of the Stop Killing Games movement, highlights the need for better preservation regulations in the gaming industry. Nicole Carpenter, an insightful freelance reporter, shares fascinating anecdotes about the emotional bond gamers formed with titles like Kim Kardashian: Hollywood. They delve into the reasons behind game shutdowns, the financial motivations of publishers, and the rise of player-driven preservation efforts, all while exploring how communities grieve their lost virtual worlds.

Nov 5, 2025 • 33min
Alice Bucknell on How Virtual Spaces Help Us Cope With Reality
When wildfire engulfed much of Los Angeles earlier this year, artist and game designer Alice Bucknell found themselves stuck inside, replaying “Firewatch,” a quiet game about exploring the wilderness in anticipation of an impending wildfire. It helped them process emotions that felt too overwhelming in real life. “Firewatch,” and other games like it that focus on exploration rather than fighting or competing, are known as walking simulators. Throughout their career, Alice has used this approach to craft exploratory games that invite players to stretch their imagination and emotional capacity.
In this episode, Morgan talks with Alice about how walking simulators and other virtual worlds can reframe our understanding of failure, climate grief, and our connection to one another. From simulating life as a moth to wandering through abandoned metaverses like Second Life, they explore how digital spaces can become sites of mourning, reflection, and hope.
Guests:
Alice Bucknell, artist, writer, and game designer
Further reading/listening:
The video game that makes the climate apocalypse look good — Erin X. Wong, High Country News
Second Life’s loyal users embrace its decaying software and no-fun imperfections — Alice Bucknell, Document Journal
Playing with Feelings: Video Games and Affect — Aubrey Anable, University of Minnesota Press
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung and produced by Francesca Fenzi. Our team includes producer Maya Cueva, editor Chris Hambrick and senior editor Chris Egusa. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oct 29, 2025 • 35min
A Political Reckoning for Twitch?
Nathan Grayson, co-founder of Aftermath and author of *Stream Big*, dives into the complexities of Twitch as a political platform. He discusses the recent assault incident at TwitchCon and the growing concerns over safety for streamers. Grayson highlights how political commentary has surged on Twitch, with streamers like Hassan Piker gaining significant audiences during the pandemic. The conversation also tackles the challenges of moderation and the financial implications of political content on the platform, raising questions about Twitch’s future.

Oct 22, 2025 • 31min
Satanic Panic in the Age of the Internet
What do colorful and plush Labubu dolls have in common with Mesopotamian mythology? If you believe some viral TikToks, everything. Recent conspiracy theories have linked the toys to everything from ancient demonic spirits to Satan worship. But behind those ideas flooding online feeds is something older and darker: the return of moral panic. In this episode, host Morgan Sung digs into how a new generation of “satanic panic” has gone digital, from fears of occult rituals in song to online crusades against queer and trans people. Journalist Sarah Marshall, host of the new podcast series The Devil You Know, joins Morgan to help trace how misinformation and moral outrage keep recycling the same fears — just with new villains.
Guests:
Sarah Marshall, journalist and host of the You're Wrong About podcast
Further reading/listening:
The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall — CBC Podcasts
You're Wrong About podcast — Sarah Marshall
The right’s moral panic over “grooming” invokes age-old homophobia — Aja Romano, Vox
The strange origins of the Satanic Panic: How one Canadian book started a worldwide witch hunt — Leah Collins, CBC Arts
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Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Chris Hambrick is our Editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oct 15, 2025 • 39min
Beyond the AI Hype Machine
When ChatGPT launched in 2022, it kicked off what some have called the “AI hype machine” — a frenzy of promotion and investment that has sent some tech companies’ valuations soaring to record heights. Meanwhile, computational linguist Emily M. Bender and AI researcher and sociologist Alex Hanna have proudly worn the titles of “AI hype busters,” critiquing the industry’s loftiest claims and pointing out the real-world harms behind this wave of excitement. What began as a satirical podcast is now a book, The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech’s Hype and Create the Future We Want. In this episode, Alex and Emily explain why the very term “AI” is misleading, how AI boosters and doomers are really flip sides of the same coin, and why we should question the AI inevitability narrative.
Guests:
Emily M. Bender, professor of linguistics the University of Washington
Alex Hanna, director of research at the Distributed AI Research Institute
Further reading/listening:
The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech’s Hype and Create the Future We Want — Emily Bender and Alex Hanna
The Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000 Podcast — Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna
“AI” Hurts Consumers and Workers -- and Isn’t Intelligent — Emily Bender and Alex Hanna, Tech Policy Press
On the Very Real Dangers of the Artificial Intelligence Hype Machine: Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna Explore AI History, the Cold War, and a Fatally Overhyped Idea — Emily M. Bender, LitHub
People Are Crashing Out Over Sora 2’s New Guardrails — Samantha Cole, 404 Media
Sora 2 Has a Huge Financial Problem — Victor Tangermann, Futurism
We did the math on AI’s energy footprint. Here’s the story you haven’t heard. — James O'Donnell and Casey Crownhart, MIT Technology Review
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Our editor is Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brian Douglas and Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 8, 2025 • 30min
The All-Seeing Eyes of Modern Dating
What happens to dating when every misstep has the potential to go viral? That’s what happened in 2022, when social media posts warning about a few bad dates with a man named “West Elm Caleb” blew up on TikTok in 2022, and became a cautionary tale on the culture of public shaming. In this episode, Morgan speaks with tech journalist Tanya Chen and culture writer Magdalene Taylor about the rise of the “dating panopticon” — a world in which love, gossip, and surveillance collide. From ghosting to the hacked “Tea App,” they explore how online whisper networks meant to protect women have turned into digital minefields, and what it takes to opt out of turning our romantic lives into content.
Guests:
Magdalene Taylor, writer, culture critic, and senior editor at Playboy
Tanya Tianyi Chen, independent tech writer and editor
Further reading/listening:
Reject the Digital Dating Panopticon — Magdalene J. Taylor, Many Such Cases
Gender Relations Have Made Dating a Hostile Act — Magdalene J. Taylor, Many Such Cases
Women’s ‘red flag’ app Tea is a privacy nightmare — Tanya Tianyi Chen, The Verge
West Elm Caleb: The TikTok mob's latest target might not deserve its wrath. — Madison Malone Kircher, Slate
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
You can also follow us on Instagram
Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Sound design by Chris Egusa. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brian Douglas. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


