
Close All Tabs
Ever wonder where the internet stops and IRL begins? Close All Tabs breaks down how digital culture shapes our world through thoughtful insights and irreverent humor. From internet trends to AI slop to the politics of memes, Close All Tabs covers it all.How will AI change our jobs and lives? Is the government watching what I post? Is there life beyond TikTok? Host Morgan Sung pulls from experts, the audience, and history to add context to the trends and depth to the memes. And she’ll wrestle with as many browser tabs as it takes to explain the cultural moment we’re all collectively living.Morgan Sung is a tech journalist whose work covers the range of absurdity and brilliance that is the internet. Her beat has evolved into an exploration of social platforms and how they shape real-world culture. She has written for TechCrunch, NBC News, Mashable, BuzzFeed News and more. We love listening to shows about technology and culture like Power User with Taylor Lorenz, ICYMI, Wow If True, Hard Fork, There Are No Girls On the Internet, Endless Thread, Uncanny Valley from Wired, It’s Been a Minute, and You’re Wrong About. If you like them too, then trust us–you’ll like Close All Tabs.
Latest episodes

Jun 11, 2025 • 27min
Elon's Great Crash-Out / Unmasked in LA
Elon Musk and President Trump breaking up? LA protesters clashing with law enforcement? Waymos on fire (again)? Things have been moving fast the last few days — and like you, our feeds are on overload. Today, we’re bringing you a quick reaction episode to catch you up on a couple stories we’ve covered before that are suddenly back in the news. Close All Tabs producer Maya Cueva joins Morgan to break it all down.
We’ve talked about a few of these stories before — if you want to go deeper, here are some past episodes to check out:
The Broligarchy Pt 1: Chronicles of the PayPal Mafia | KQED
The Surveillance Machine, Pt. 1: How We Got Here | KQED
Waymo Robotaxis - Uneasiness and Vandalism | KQED
Further reading:
A timeline of the twists and turns in the Trump-Musk relationship — Nnamdi Egwuonwu, NBC News
Immigration Protests Threaten to Boil Over in Los Angeles — E. Tammy Kim, The New Yorker
ICE raids tried to split LA apart, but might have made it stronger — Michael Lozano, LA Public Press
How Waymo got caught in the crossfire of Los Angeles ICE protests —
Joe Berkowitz, Fast Company
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Jen Chien. Sound design by Maya Cueva, Chris Egusa and Brendan Willard. Original music by Chris Egusa, with additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Holly Kernan is our Chief Content Officer.
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Jun 4, 2025 • 35min
The Spotify Effect, Pt 1: Ghosts in the Playlist
Liz Pelly, a music journalist and the author of *Mood Machine*, dives into the transformative power of Spotify as it evolves from a basic music library to a data-driven platform tailored to user moods. She discusses the rise of 'ghost artists' and the ethical concerns surrounding music authenticity. Pelly reveals how personalized playlists shift our relationship with music, leading to a potential loss of intimacy in listening. Plus, she creatively explores the mystery of whether she's being haunted by Sabrina Carpenter!

May 28, 2025 • 33min
Do You Hear What I Hear? Audio Illusions and Misinformation
Are you old enough to remember the “Magic Eye” optical illusion mania that gripped the nation in the 90’s—random patterns that you had to squint at just right for the 3D image to pop out? It turns out it's not just our eyes that can be fooled. Our ears can play tricks on us too. There's a whole world of auditory illusions that seem to say one thing when they're really saying something else, and that matters, especially in our age of digital misinformation.
In today’s episode, Morgan talks to KQED Digital Community Producer Francesca Fenzi about why we hear what we think we hear, and how understanding the limits of our perception might actually make us better at spotting dis- and misinformation online.
Guest:
Francesa Fenzi, KQED Digital Community Producer
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Jen Chien. Sound Design by Maya Cueva. Original music by Chris Egusa, with additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Katherine Monahan and Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Holly Kernan is our Chief Content Officer.
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May 21, 2025 • 34min
Why Can’t Hentai Go Legit?
Hentai, sexually explicit Japanese animation (anime) and comics (manga), is a genre that’s been criticized for depicting violent or ethically questionable scenarios. But some fans also see it as a space for expanding the boundaries of art, culture, and sexuality in a way that reverberates beyond its status as a niche subculture.
In this episode, Morgan talks with anime marketer Drea Ramirez about how discovering hentai helped her explore her own sexual identity — and how today’s streaming platforms are stifling weirder, more experimental forms of animation. We’ll also hear from Jacob Grady, CEO of the hentai manga site Fakku, about the challenges of running a licensed and legal business in the face of content piracy, and how anti-trafficking laws like SESTA and FOSTA can make it harder forhentai artists to make a living.
This episode is part of a collaboration with our friends at the podcast Never Post. While we’re digging into the culture and industry behind hentai, they’re coming at it from a completely different angle. Give it a listen wherever you get your podcasts.
Guests:
Drea Ramirez, social media marketing manager at Azuki
Jacob Grady, founder and CEO of FAKKU
Mike Rugnetta, host of Never Post
Further reading:
The Hentai Platform Streaming Wars — Aurélie Petit, Porn Studies
Why "The Crunchyroll of Hentai" Failed to Take Off — Jay Allen, Unseen Japan
Hentai Sites Go To War, Leaving Animated Porn's Future In Doubt — Cecilia D’Anastasio, Kotaku
FOSTA-SESTA was supposed to thwart sex trafficking. Instead, it’s sparked a movement — Liz Tung, WHYY
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
You can also follow us on Instagram
Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Jen Chien. Original music and sound design by Chris Egusa, with additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Holly Kernan is our Chief Content Officer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

May 14, 2025 • 33min
The Surveillance Machine, Pt 2: No Opt-Out
Think you can opt out of surveillance? Think again. Our locations, behaviors, and images are being tracked at unprecedented levels — and private tech companies are at the center, selling that information directly to the government. In this episode, Morgan talks with Nicol Turner Lee, Director of the Center for Technology Innovation at The Brookings Institution, about why avoiding identification in public spaces is almost impossible, and how civilians are now helping do the government’s work by surveilling each other.
Guests:
Jalsa Drinkard, Columbia University student and an organizer for Columbia University Apartheid Divest, CUAD
Don Bell, policy counsel at The Constitution Project at The Project On Government Oversight, POGO
Nicol Turner Lee, Director of the Center for Technology Innovation at The Brookings Institution
Further reading:
This pro-Israel group keeps a blacklist. Now it’s taking credit for deportations. — Zack Beauchamp, Vox
Privacy on the Map: How States Are Fighting Location Surveillance — Rindala Alajaji, Electronic Freedom Foundation
Police surveillance and facial recognition: Why data privacy is imperative for communities of color — Nicol Turner Lee and Caitlin Chin-Rothmann, Brookings Institute
It’s Possible to Track Someone’s Personal Phone to an Abortion Clinic. And It’s Legal Too. — Byron Tau, NOTUS
Planning to attend a protest? Check out the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s Attending a Protest guide for practical digital security tips to help protect your privacy and data.
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
You can also follow us on Instagram
Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Jen Chien. Sound design by Maya Cueva and Brendan Willard. Original music by Chris Egusa, with additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Holly Kernan is our Chief Content Officer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

May 7, 2025 • 33min
The Surveillance Machine, Pt 1: How We Got Here
Don Bell, policy counsel at The Constitution Project, dives into the long history of government surveillance on protest movements, highlighting its growth post-9/11 and during recent activism. He discusses the troubling normalization of invasive surveillance technologies, like social media monitoring, and connects it to the experiences of activists. Columbia University student Jalsa Drinkard shares her firsthand challenges with doxing and surveillance while organizing protests, emphasizing the serious implications for civil liberties and freedom of speech.

Apr 30, 2025 • 32min
Recession Indicator Memes Are Getting Too Real
Recession indicator memes are everywhere, pointing to everything from office wear at the club to Lady Gaga’s return to pop music as signs of looming economic doom. But with the stock market sinking and tariffs piling up, the jokes are starting to hit closer to home. In this episode, KQED community reporter Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí joins Morgan to unpack how the memes might be fueling the very recession they joke about. We also hear from USC public policy professor Elizabeth Currid-Halkett on the links between culture, consumption, and the economy.
Guests:
Candice Lim, co-host of ICYMI from SlateCarlos Cabrera-Lomelí, community reporter at KQED
Elizabeth Currid-Halkett, professor of public policy at the University of Southern California
Further reading:
‘Recession Indicator’: What Memes Tell Us About How We Experience the Economy - Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí, KQED
The 'recession indicator' meme, explained - Christianna Silva, Mashable
Can Strippers Really Forecast a Financial Crisis? - Jenny Singer, Glamour
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
You can also follow us on Instagram
Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Jen Chien. Sound design by Chris Egusa. Original music by Chris Egusa, with additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard and Katherine Monahan. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Holly Kernan is our Chief Content Officer.
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Apr 23, 2025 • 32min
How Safe is AI Therapy?
Lesley McClurg, a health reporter for KQED, dives into her personal journey of seeking solace from AI therapy after a divorce. She explores the rapid rise of mental health chatbots, discussing their potential benefits and the dangers they pose. From navigating emotional support to the stark limitations of AI in therapy, Lesley highlights the balance between technology and human connection. The conversation raises critical questions about privacy and safety, urging listeners to consider the nuances before turning solely to algorithms for emotional care.

Apr 16, 2025 • 38min
Twitter on a Vape: Puff, Post, Pollute
Yogi Hale Hendlin, an environmental philosopher and public health researcher, joins tech reporter Samantha Cole to discuss the alarming rise of high-tech disposable vapes. They delve into the environmental hazards posed by these devices, emphasizing their contribution to e-waste and pollution. Cole shares her personal experience with a touchscreen vape that integrates social media, while Hendlin explains the regulatory loopholes that allow these products to thrive. The conversation calls for a rethinking of consumption and disposal practices in our increasingly digital world.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 34min
Save or Scroll: Manosphere Mornings, Luigi Sex Tape Rumors, and the Art of the Hard Launch
Candice Lim, a journalist and co-host of ICYMI from Slate, joins the conversation to tackle some of the internet's wildest topics. They humorously dissect the trend of alpha male morning routine videos and the intricate dynamics within the Manosphere. The discussion turns to Hailey Bieber’s legal battles over viral content and Luigi Mangione’s controversy, shining a light on media responsibility. They also navigate the complexities of content moderation on platforms like Reddit, pondering the balance between free speech and responsible sharing.