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KQED
Ever wonder where the internet stops and IRL begins? Close All Tabs breaks down how digital culture shapes our world through thoughtful insights and irreverent humor. From internet trends to AI slop to the politics of memes, Close All Tabs covers it all.How will AI change our jobs and lives? Is the government watching what I post? Is there life beyond TikTok? Host Morgan Sung pulls from experts, the audience, and history to add context to the trends and depth to the memes. And she’ll wrestle with as many browser tabs as it takes to explain the cultural moment we’re all collectively living.Morgan Sung is a tech journalist whose work covers the range of absurdity and brilliance that is the internet. Her beat has evolved into an exploration of social platforms and how they shape real-world culture. She has written for TechCrunch, NBC News, Mashable, BuzzFeed News and more. We love listening to shows about technology and culture like Power User with Taylor Lorenz, ICYMI, Wow If True, Hard Fork, There Are No Girls On the Internet, Endless Thread, Uncanny Valley from Wired, It’s Been a Minute, and You’re Wrong About. If you like them too, then trust us–you’ll like Close All Tabs.
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Nov 12, 2025 • 36min
Where Do Games Go When They Die?
In this discussion, Ross Scott, a passionate filmmaker and founder of the Stop Killing Games movement, highlights the need for better preservation regulations in the gaming industry. Nicole Carpenter, an insightful freelance reporter, shares fascinating anecdotes about the emotional bond gamers formed with titles like Kim Kardashian: Hollywood. They delve into the reasons behind game shutdowns, the financial motivations of publishers, and the rise of player-driven preservation efforts, all while exploring how communities grieve their lost virtual worlds.

Nov 5, 2025 • 33min
Alice Bucknell on How Virtual Spaces Help Us Cope With Reality
When wildfire engulfed much of Los Angeles earlier this year, artist and game designer Alice Bucknell found themselves stuck inside, replaying “Firewatch,” a quiet game about exploring the wilderness in anticipation of an impending wildfire. It helped them process emotions that felt too overwhelming in real life. “Firewatch,” and other games like it that focus on exploration rather than fighting or competing, are known as walking simulators. Throughout their career, Alice has used this approach to craft exploratory games that invite players to stretch their imagination and emotional capacity.
In this episode, Morgan talks with Alice about how walking simulators and other virtual worlds can reframe our understanding of failure, climate grief, and our connection to one another. From simulating life as a moth to wandering through abandoned metaverses like Second Life, they explore how digital spaces can become sites of mourning, reflection, and hope.
Guests:
Alice Bucknell, artist, writer, and game designer
Further reading/listening:
The video game that makes the climate apocalypse look good — Erin X. Wong, High Country News
Second Life’s loyal users embrace its decaying software and no-fun imperfections — Alice Bucknell, Document Journal
Playing with Feelings: Video Games and Affect — Aubrey Anable, University of Minnesota Press
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung and produced by Francesca Fenzi. Our team includes producer Maya Cueva, editor Chris Hambrick and senior editor Chris Egusa. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oct 29, 2025 • 35min
A Political Reckoning for Twitch?
Nathan Grayson, co-founder of Aftermath and author of *Stream Big*, dives into the complexities of Twitch as a political platform. He discusses the recent assault incident at TwitchCon and the growing concerns over safety for streamers. Grayson highlights how political commentary has surged on Twitch, with streamers like Hassan Piker gaining significant audiences during the pandemic. The conversation also tackles the challenges of moderation and the financial implications of political content on the platform, raising questions about Twitch’s future.

Oct 22, 2025 • 31min
Satanic Panic in the Age of the Internet
What do colorful and plush Labubu dolls have in common with Mesopotamian mythology? If you believe some viral TikToks, everything. Recent conspiracy theories have linked the toys to everything from ancient demonic spirits to Satan worship. But behind those ideas flooding online feeds is something older and darker: the return of moral panic. In this episode, host Morgan Sung digs into how a new generation of “satanic panic” has gone digital, from fears of occult rituals in song to online crusades against queer and trans people. Journalist Sarah Marshall, host of the new podcast series The Devil You Know, joins Morgan to help trace how misinformation and moral outrage keep recycling the same fears — just with new villains.
Guests:
Sarah Marshall, journalist and host of the You're Wrong About podcast
Further reading/listening:
The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall — CBC Podcasts
You're Wrong About podcast — Sarah Marshall
The right’s moral panic over “grooming” invokes age-old homophobia — Aja Romano, Vox
The strange origins of the Satanic Panic: How one Canadian book started a worldwide witch hunt — Leah Collins, CBC Arts
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Chris Hambrick is our Editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 15, 2025 • 39min
Beyond the AI Hype Machine
When ChatGPT launched in 2022, it kicked off what some have called the “AI hype machine” — a frenzy of promotion and investment that has sent some tech companies’ valuations soaring to record heights. Meanwhile, computational linguist Emily M. Bender and AI researcher and sociologist Alex Hanna have proudly worn the titles of “AI hype busters,” critiquing the industry’s loftiest claims and pointing out the real-world harms behind this wave of excitement. What began as a satirical podcast is now a book, The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech’s Hype and Create the Future We Want. In this episode, Alex and Emily explain why the very term “AI” is misleading, how AI boosters and doomers are really flip sides of the same coin, and why we should question the AI inevitability narrative.
Guests:
Emily M. Bender, professor of linguistics the University of Washington
Alex Hanna, director of research at the Distributed AI Research Institute
Further reading/listening:
The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech’s Hype and Create the Future We Want — Emily Bender and Alex Hanna
The Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000 Podcast — Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna
“AI” Hurts Consumers and Workers -- and Isn’t Intelligent — Emily Bender and Alex Hanna, Tech Policy Press
On the Very Real Dangers of the Artificial Intelligence Hype Machine: Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna Explore AI History, the Cold War, and a Fatally Overhyped Idea — Emily M. Bender, LitHub
People Are Crashing Out Over Sora 2’s New Guardrails — Samantha Cole, 404 Media
Sora 2 Has a Huge Financial Problem — Victor Tangermann, Futurism
We did the math on AI’s energy footprint. Here’s the story you haven’t heard. — James O'Donnell and Casey Crownhart, MIT Technology Review
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Our editor is Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brian Douglas and Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 8, 2025 • 30min
The All-Seeing Eyes of Modern Dating
What happens to dating when every misstep has the potential to go viral? That’s what happened in 2022, when social media posts warning about a few bad dates with a man named “West Elm Caleb” blew up on TikTok in 2022, and became a cautionary tale on the culture of public shaming. In this episode, Morgan speaks with tech journalist Tanya Chen and culture writer Magdalene Taylor about the rise of the “dating panopticon” — a world in which love, gossip, and surveillance collide. From ghosting to the hacked “Tea App,” they explore how online whisper networks meant to protect women have turned into digital minefields, and what it takes to opt out of turning our romantic lives into content.
Guests:
Magdalene Taylor, writer, culture critic, and senior editor at Playboy
Tanya Tianyi Chen, independent tech writer and editor
Further reading/listening:
Reject the Digital Dating Panopticon — Magdalene J. Taylor, Many Such Cases
Gender Relations Have Made Dating a Hostile Act — Magdalene J. Taylor, Many Such Cases
Women’s ‘red flag’ app Tea is a privacy nightmare — Tanya Tianyi Chen, The Verge
West Elm Caleb: The TikTok mob's latest target might not deserve its wrath. — Madison Malone Kircher, Slate
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Sound design by Chris Egusa. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio engineering by Brian Douglas. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oct 1, 2025 • 33min
In Search of Thock: The Quest for the Perfect Keyboard
“Clacky,” “Poppy,” and "Thocky" may sound like the latest cereal elves, but they’re actually terms to describe the sounds of typing on a mechanical keyboard. What started as a niche hobby blew up during the pandemic, with a huge influx of creators posting tutorials, reviews, and soothing ASMR videos on social media. Many hobbyists are so enthusiastic about achieving the perfect sound, feel and response from their personal keyboards that they design and build their own, sometimes spending hundreds of dollars on custom parts.
Lately though, the industry has been hitting some serious roadblocks. In this episode Morgan examines how the mechanical keyboard craze took off, and why it may now be starting to fade. We’ll hear from creators about how tariffs and the end of the de minimis rule are affecting everyone — from consumers to indie designers, to content creators.
Guests:
Frank Lee, keyboard streamer and organizer of KeebLife
Hipyo Tech, YouTube creator
Betty Van, YouTube creator
Further reading/listening:
The Twitch streamer behind Tfue’s custom $3,500 mechanical keyboard — Nick Statt, The Verge
Looming tariffs are making it extra hard to be a tech geek — Scharon Harding, Ars Technica
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Sound design by Chris Egusa. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Audio Engineering by Brendan Willard and Brian Douglas. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief.
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Sep 24, 2025 • 30min
AI Prophets and Spiritual Delusions
Miles Klee, a culture writer for Rolling Stone, investigates the alarming rise of AI-induced spiritual delusions, where users engage with chatbots that lead to troubling beliefs. He discusses how companionship and perceived authority from these bots can spiral into dangerous encounters with faith. Rachael Myrow from KQED dives into the appeal of AI theology apps and why they're popular for seekers of spiritual guidance. Together, they explore the real-world impacts of these phenomena and urge the importance of human community in faith.

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Sep 17, 2025 • 32min
Groypers, Doxxing and Charlie Kirk’s Death as a S***post
What is a “groyper?” The term began trending on Google in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s death. Kirk, the right-wing podcaster and Turning Point USA co-founder, was fatally shot last Wednesday during an event at Utah Valley University.
Major news outlets quickly reported that authorities had found bullet casings engraved with a series of seemingly inscrutable messages, including, “Notices bulge, OwO, what’s this?”; “Hey fascist! Catch!” followed by arrow symbols; “Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao”; and “If you read this you are gay LMAO.” For most, the phrases seemed bizarre and incomprehensible. But for Aidan Walker, an internet researcher and meme historian, the messages told a clear story which many media outlets had missed.
On today’s episode, Aidan joins Morgan to break down what the messages may tell us about the alleged shooter, how a fringe extremist group known as “groypers” might be involved, and what the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's death portends for our political and media landscapes.
Guests:
Aidan Walker, independent writer, content creator, and internet culture researcher
Further reading/listening:
a theory of groyperfication — Aidan Walker, How To Do Things With Memes
Suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting texted roommate he 'had enough of his hatred,' officials say — Doha Madani & Corky Siemaszko, NBC News
Charlie Kirk was killed by a meme — Ryan Broderick & Adam Bumas, Garbage Day
Wall Street Journal quietly walks back false claim Charlie Kirk shooter had pro-trans messages on his bullets — Christopher Wiggins, Advocate
Conservatives Are Doxxing Innocent People Over Charlie Kirk — Taylor Lorenz, User Mag
Charlie Kirk Assassination Sparks Social Media Crackdown — Ken Klippenstein, Ken Klippenstein
Where Charlie Kirk Stood on Key Political Issues — Ashley Ahn & Maxine Joselow, The New York Times
Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ — Chris Stein, The Guardian
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Sound design by Chris Egusa. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Chris Egusa. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sep 10, 2025 • 36min
23andMe (andGeneticPrivacy)
When 23andMe filed for bankruptcy earlier this year, it set off alarm bells among privacy experts and consumers alike. According to a 2025 survey, about 1 in 5 Americans has taken a home DNA test. Among those who haven’t, privacy ranks as one of their top concerns. As with so many things having to do with data, there’s a trade-off between confidentiality and the ability to access services that can improve our lives. The fallout from 23andMe’s bankruptcy and an earlier data breach has left consumers more wary than ever and has underscored the need for stronger data privacy laws. In today’s episode, we’ll hear from someone whose life was transformed by a 23andMe test, and from a genetic data and privacy researcher who explains the risks of handing over our DNA to a corporation.
Guests:
Trine Gallegos, Media Coordinator and 23andMe user
Anya Prince, professor and genetic privacy researcher at the University of Iowa College of Law
Further reading/listening:
I Tried to Keep My Pregnancy Secret — Anya Prince, The Atlantic
Judge OKs sale of 23andMe — and its trove of DNA data — to a nonprofit led by its founder — John Ruwitch, NPR
California AG says 23andMe sale ‘does not comply’ with state law — Tyler Katzenberger, Politico
23andMe is for sale. Here’s why companies might want your genetic data — Lisa Eadicicco, CNN
Read the transcript here
Want to give us feedback on the series? Shoot us an email at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org
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Credits:
This episode was reported and hosted by Morgan Sung. Our Producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts, and also helps edit the show. Sound design by Chris Egusa and Brendan Willard. Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music from APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


