

The Ownership Economy
The Ownership Economy
Welcome to the Ownership Economy podcast, the podcast that explores the people and ideas that are utilizing technology, economics, and the law to reimagine how the economy can work for everyone. Here we connect with the entrepreneurs, investors, thought-leaders, academics, and politicians that are constructing a better economy, one based on broad-based ownership and democratic governance. Hosted by Martin Smith and Jahed Momand, two investors and operators that aim to use this platform to showcase the people and ideas that will shape more inclusive economies.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Sep 30, 2022 • 57min
Episode 034 - Optimal Timing for Launching a User-Aligned Ownership Program with Sascha Kellert from Rekursive Labs
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin speak with Sascha Kellert from Rekursive Labs. Sascha is an entrepreneur with experience building multi-sided digital marketplaces. The experience of building a home-services marketplace and his unsuccessful attempt to convince his existing venture capital investors in that business to allocate ownership rights to vendors set him on the journey towards web3. He is now exploring a business model that allocates ownership rights to users based on key contributory events that help a business scale. This episode is a great listen for entrepreneurs that are thinking about the right time to add ownership rights for stakeholders. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Sep 24, 2022 • 1h 6min
Episode 033 - Making the Transition from Web2 to Web3 as a Engineer and Operator with Golda Velez, Co-founder of What’s Cookin and Former Uber and Postmates Senior Engineer
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin connect with Golda Velez, the Co-founder of WhatsCookin, an activity planning startup working to strengthen communities, create opportunities and democratize corporations. Golda comes from a background working as a senior software engineer in some of the largest web2 digital platforms. She worked on data at Uber, risk at Postmates, and held a variety of other roles leading teams in building complex, scalable platforms. She is now taking that experience and applying it to building a stakeholder owned and governed platform for community engagement. We dig into the business model, how she started, tools she’s using for ownership and governance, and other aspects of team building in this early stage venture. For engineers interested in transitioning from web2 to web3, we also recommend episode 5 with Kevin Owocki from Gitcoin and Episode 8 with James Young from Abridged. We hope you enjoy the episode.
Show Notes:
Mike Moyer – Slicing Pie – Equity Splits for Startups
What’s Cookin’ does equity their way | by Fairmint
A Minimal Approach to Linked Trust With Uncertainty
Cooperation
Episode 027 - Empowering Local Providers with Efficient Development Finance Facilitated through Web3 with Dr. Melyn McKay by The Ownership Economy
Bloomberg Beta
Episode 005 - Building and Funding the Digital Commons Together with Kevin Owocki of Gitcoin by The Ownership Economy
Episode 008 - The Future of Work, DAOs, and Verifiable Credentials with James Young of Abridged by The Ownership Economy

Sep 16, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 032 - Building a Natural Asset Economy with Regenerative Finance, with Gregory Landua of Regen Network
In episode 032, Martin and Jahed chat with Gregory Landua, CEO of Regen Network. Gregory has a long history in regenerative finance before it became the web3 incarnation of #ReFi. He covers the roots of regenerative finance in the permaculture movement, traces its intellectual history, introduces key concepts necessary to understand the new economy being built in natural assets, and introduces us to what Regen Network is enabling communities to do with their natural asset resources and commons management. This episode will be of interest to companies and protocols in the regenerative finance space, and those seeking to understand how the emerging ecosystem services economy.
Show Notes:
Enclosing the fishery commons (Alaskan commons management)
Terra Genesis International
Bioregionalism
Permaculture
Rafter Sass Ferguson
Bill Mollison
David Holmgren
Allan Savory
Holistic management
8 forms of capital (regenerative enterprise)
Legibility (seeing like a state)
Doughnut economics
Gregory Bateson
Sacred Economics
Natural Capitalism
World Economic Forum - natural capital assets and ecosystem services

Sep 14, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 031 - Tokenized Communities and Creator Ownership, with Jihad Esmail of ForefrontDAO
The previous wave of internet innovation created a new economy, but left many creators out of it. Tokenized communities, some of which are organized as DAOs, are the next attempt at trying to broadly distribute and own the wealth generated by communities of creators. Jihad Esmail of ForefrontDAO is at the forefront of trying to figure out how to build new, sustainable organizational structures for and with creators. In this conversation, we dig into the learnings behind his last couple of years at Forefront, and how he’s pushing tokenized communities forward with learnings from other DAOs such as NounsDAO. This episode will be of interest to founders building new creator and social DAOs in particular.

Sep 2, 2022 • 43min
Episode 030 - How to Unleash a Culture of Innovation in Your DAO with Liberating Structures, with Jeremy Akers of Regens Unite
In the middle of the current bear market, DAOs are still surviving and sometimes thriving. One of the keys is social, emotional, and operational support, and in this week’s episode, Jahed sat down with Jeremy akers of Regens Unite, GravityDAO, Commons Stack, and LS DAO to discuss how the framework for unleashing team innovation, Liberating Structures, can be used by DAOs to get themselves through this rough patch. Along the way, Jeremy touches on patterns from LS that can be useful to new DAOs, how DAOs can manage conflicts inter- and intra-DAO, we touch on Gnosis Guild’s new pattern library for DAO organizational structures, and what new data in complexity science suggest for hierarchies and organizations.
Show notes:
liberating structures
The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures (book)
Diagram we discussed
GravityDAO
The Inherent Instability of Disordered Systems (academic paper)

Aug 26, 2022 • 43min
Episode 029 - Ownership, Individuality, and Sybil Attacks: A Conversation with Octopus, GitcoinDAO Contributor
It’s summer for us at the Ownership Economy Podcast, so we’re bringing you a short series of wide-ranging episodes, which are more conversational in nature. We start this week with anonymous GitcoinDAO contributor @8octopuso, who is a mathematics PhD and worked on the systems for public funding distribution and governance at Gitcoin. In the conversation, we cover sybil attacks, how they can be a threat to democratic systems and why they’re important, systems that can prove individuality, and how this fits into measuring DAO contributions and broadly distributing the wealth generated by ventures. It’s a wide-ranging conversation that will get into the meat of Gitcoin and other DAOs governance best practices and pitfalls, as well as pedagogy, psychology, and behavioral science, from an operator’s point-of-view.
Show Notes:
What is a public good?
Alfie Kohn
Punished by Rewards
Taylorism
Longtail Financial
Token Engineering Academy
Youtube channel on math videos show notes
@8ctopuso - twitter

Aug 19, 2022 • 1h 1min
Episode 028 - Sharing Wealth by Realigning Incentives in Real Estate, with David Lidz of StreetWell
In this episode, Martin & Jahed sat down with David Lidz, an entrepreneur building an impact real estate company that employs those in recovery and convicts looking for their way back into society. David has managed to innovate at the intersection of real estate, technology, and social / political realms by finding a way to give people upside in restoration and ownership of properties in the cooperative, co-design governance and share distribution with the stakeholders, and address the consequences of redlining and other discriminatory practices in historically marginalized communities in the US.
Show Notes:
Stocksy case study
Geospatial NFTs - Astral Protocol
Geospatial NFTs - Episode 023 of Ownership Economy
On Velocity in several Complementary Currencies
RSF Social Finance
BlueHub Capital

Aug 12, 2022 • 1h 21min
Episode 027 - Empowering Local Providers with Efficient Development Finance Facilitated through Web3 with Dr. Melyn McKay
In this episode, Martin and Jahed connect with Dr. Melyn McKay, the founder and CEO of CoalaPay, a direct funding platform that connects users to trusted, grassroots actors working to sustain and strengthen their communities. Dr. McKay is an anthropologist by training and has spent years working in emerging markets with some of the largest institutional donors in the world. She is now bringing that knowledge and expertise to make sure more grant money makes it into the hands of expert local actors. Listeners interested in the intersection of international development, impact investment and blockchain should also check out episodes 11 and 26 with Dr. Hamid Rashid, Episode 25 with author Brett Scott, and Episode 13 with entrepreneur Dr. Shaun Conway. We hope you enjoy the episode.
Episode 011 with Dr. Hamid Rashid Part 1
Episode 026 with Dr. Hamid Rashid Part 2
Episode 013 with Dr. Shaun Conway
Episode 025 with Brett Scott

Aug 5, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 026 - Decentralized Finance: Stability vs Effiiency in Design of a More Equitable Financial System with Dr. Hamid Rashid Part 2
In this week’s episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin where joined by UN macroeconomist Dr. Hamid Rashid.. In this episode, we start out of a recap of Episode 11 where we explored the impact of monetary policy on the ownership economy. We recommend listening to that episode first before this deep dive on the tension between stability and efficiency in the design of decentralized finance protocols. Dr. Rashid walks listeners through a short history of the banking industry in the US to contextualize the current challenges in building decentralized finance systems.

Jul 22, 2022 • 1h 11min
Episode 025 - Building Resilience and Democratic Access to Finance by Preserving Cash with Brett Scott
In this week’s episode, Jahed and Martin sit down with Brett Scott, author of https://www.harpercollins.com/products/cloudmoney-brett-scott?variant=39727615180834https://www.harpercollins.com/products/cloudmoney-brett-scott?variant=39727615180834 In the book, Scott guides the reader through the undercurrents of the banking and technology industries to create a compelling argument on how the two are mutually reinforcing market efficiencies that threaten the existence of cash. Risks of the decline of cash go beyond concerns of surveillance, loss of privacy, and declining market competition to a world where “hyperconnected markets burrow into the deepest parts of being”.
Shownotes:
Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto, and the War for Our Wallets.
Brett’s Newsletter - Altered States of Monetary Consciousness
Brett’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/Suitpossum
Donut Economics by Kate Raworth
The Curse of Cash by Kenneth Rogoff
The Deficit Myth by Stephanie Kelton