

The Ownership Economy
The Ownership Economy
Welcome to the Ownership Economy podcast, the podcast that explores the people and ideas that are utilizing technology, economics, and the law to reimagine how the economy can work for everyone. Here we connect with the entrepreneurs, investors, thought-leaders, academics, and politicians that are constructing a better economy, one based on broad-based ownership and democratic governance. Hosted by Martin Smith and Jahed Momand, two investors and operators that aim to use this platform to showcase the people and ideas that will shape more inclusive economies.
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Dec 9, 2022 • 53min
Episode 044 - Breaking the Crypto Trilemma: How to Make Decentralization Work with Development Economist and Algorand Foundation CEO Staci Warden
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Staci Warden, the CEO of the Algorand Foundation. Staci previously ran the Center for Financial Markets at the Milken Institute, and before that worked as an executive at JPMorgan and Nasdaq. She started her career as a development economist at the United States Department of the Treasury. In the episode, we discuss how Algorand works, it’s unique value proposition, and some real world applications of this blockchain. We hope you enjoy the episode.
Show Notes:
Algorand: A secure and efficient distributed ledger - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030439751930091X
Nigeria is creating a digital marketplace to help creators sell their intellectual property rights - https://techcabal.com/2022/05/26/nigeria-intellectual-property-rights/
The Economics of Consensus in Algorand - https://www.mdpi.com/2674-1032/1/2/13
Are Blockchains Decentralized? Unintended Centralities in Distributed Ledgers - https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/AD1172417
Algorand: Scaling Byzantine Agreements for Cryptocurrencies - https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3132747.3132757
Algorand - https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.01341
Another Look at ALGORAND - https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.04463

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Dec 2, 2022 • 1h 8min
Episode 043 - Challenges in Structuring and Scaling Early Cooperatives: A Deep Drive on Seed-Stage Asset+Labor Cooperative Marketplace with Alissa Orlando
Alissa Orlando, co-founder of the Driver's Cooperative and a tech innovator in Africa, shares her journey in building a cooperative from the ground up. She discusses the importance of equitable salary structures in labor relations and the challenges of governance in early cooperatives. Orlando dives into the significance of skill transfer and ethical investments, particularly in African fintech. The conversation also covers the innovative use of tokenization for funding, highlighting the potential of shared ownership in various industries.

Nov 30, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 042 - Social and Economic Dynamics in DAOs: A Conversation with Reka Macy from Guild.xyz
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin speak with Reka Macy from Guild.xyz and Agora. The conversation discusses token gating, guilds, and other interesting aspects of DAOs and the future of work. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Nov 18, 2022 • 59min
Episode 041 - The Cosmos Network, Collaborative Finance (Co-Fi), and the Empowerment of Monetary Localism with Cosmos Co-Founder Ethan Buchman
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin connect with Ethan Buchman, Co-Founder of Cosmos and Tendermint and current CEO of Informal Systems, a worker-owned cooperative that develops software for Cosmos Network. Ethan walks us through how the architecture of Cosmos is powering a multi-chain, or multiple blockchain, future with interoperability as its core. The discussion then moves to why this architecture will empower a new generation of Collaborative Finance applications that allow communities to deepen relationships, increase internal trade, and remain resilient in global financial downturns through new applications of locally governed money. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Nov 11, 2022 • 53min
Episode 040 - Building a Better OnlyFans: Labor Rights, Empowerment, and the Mintstars Business Model with Jessica Van Meir
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Jessica Van Meir, Co-Founder and COO of Mintstars. Mintstars aims to build a more sustainable creator economy that puts creators first. The team is building a platform to combine non-fungible token subscriptions with marketplace resales. Fans subscribe to receive content and the NFT model allows for value to accrue via restrictions on content supply and access. The company is an interesting new model that solves many of the problems with sites such as OnlyFans. Jessica brings her extensive work as a researcher and current doctoral student on labor rights to her viewpoints on product/market fit. We hope you enjoy the episode.
Show notes:
Walter Rodney - How Europe Underdeveloped Africa
SESTA / FOSTA
Emily Ratajkowski sell an NFT of herself
Amouranth abuse allegations
The New Bazaar: The power of glamour on Apple Podcasts

Nov 4, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 039 - Building a Stakeholder Co-Owned and Governed Pipeline of Novel Therapeutics: Tyler Golato on Molecule Protocol and Decentralized Science
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Molecule Protocol’s Co-Founder and Chief Scientific Officer Tyler Golato. Molecule is creating collaborative ecosystems, where stakeholders in drug development can work together to expedite the process of bringing novel therapeutics to patients. The company is connecting leading researchers to funding by turning intellectual property and its development into a liquid and easily investable asset. We talk with Tyler about the model, how the company isapproaching progressive decentralization, and where algorithmic rules of governance intersect with the need for human decision making. We hope you enjoy the episode.
Show notes:
An Open Bazaar for Drug Development: Molecule Protocol | by Paul Kohlhaas
https://gov.vitadao.com/t/what-are-working-group-stewards/482
Robert Fine Columbia, cheapest possible cancer interventions
PsyDAO
Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'
arXiv.org
Endurance : : Shackleton's incredible voyage /
VDP-54.1 Expression of Interest: Pfizer Ventures - Strategic Contributor Proposals - VitaDAO
Decentralized investor communities gain traction in biotech | Nature Biotechnology

Oct 28, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 038 - Building Local Communities Amidst Global Token Flows, Optimizing for Presence with Charlie Fisher from OASA
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we talk with Charlie Fisher, a researcher and entrepreneur that is working to build regenerative communities through an interesting new model based on the concept of “proof of presence”. Charlie walks us through the history of community land trusts and how this legal and economic structure is being reimagined through shared governance and ownership. The discussion then turns practical with an overview of a recent case study on a community project in Portugal. In the discussion, we explore how to optimize for active vs passive stakeholders and shareholders when creating local ecosystems. We hope you enjoy the episode.
Here are the show notes:
Small Change (Nabeel Hamdi)
Wikihouse (open source kit of parts)
Transition by Design (architecture co-operative)
Stonesfield Community Trust, Oxfordshire
DisCO.coop
Sociocracy 3.0
OASA
Traditional Dream Factory
6wk course on web3/CLTs

Oct 21, 2022 • 1h 16min
Episode 037 - What a Molecular Gastronomist Can Teach You About Building Empowered Communities and Organizations, with Daniel Ospina of RnDAO
In this week’s episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin connect with Daniel Ospina from RnDAO. RnDAO is an innovation center funded by DAOs to serve DAOs, with a mission to empower humane collaboration. The organization works with projects to deeply understand DAOs and user challenges, so they can build tools that make decentralization fluid and natural, thus facilitating mainstream DAO adoption. Listeners who are trying to figure out what decentralization can actually look like on day to day should listen to this episode.
Here are the show notes:
Molecular gastronomy - Wikipedia
How the Best Restaurants in the World Balance Innovation and Consistency
There's Now an App for Bribing Curve Token Holders - The Defiant
RnDAO
Exploring DAO2DAO Collaboration Mechanisms | by BlockScience | PrimeDAO | Medium
Metagov | Gateway
Social Physics by Alex Pentland: 9780143126331 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books
Daniel Ospina (@_Daniel_Ospina) / Twitter
RnDAO (🔍,✏️) (@RnDAO__) / Twitter
Haier: A Company Worth Studying!
Bertlesmann - modernizing the systems of social organization

Oct 14, 2022 • 52min
Episode 036 - Creating Global Demand for Plastic Waste Reduction: The Plastiks Token and Business Model with Andre Vanyi-Robin
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we catch up with Andre Vanyi-Robin from Plastiks. Andre is working on a fascinating business model that aims to reduce plastic pollution around the world. Through a unique normalization of invoice data combined with smart contract technology, Andre is building a new market for plastic recovery guarantees. In the process, the venture is building new revenue streams for plastic collecting communities around the world. We dive into the business model, how the token that underpins the model works, and why smart contract technology is a critical feature in making the ecosystem function. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Oct 7, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 035 - Web3, Operator-Investors, Venture-Contributors and the World of Web3 VC with Jake Lynch from L1 Digital
In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin speak with Jake Lynch from L1 Digital. Jake is a rare breed of researcher, operator, and investor and is working in the heart of the web3 ecosystem. L1 Digital invested in Molecule, a decentralized biotech protocol porting intellectual property into web3 and launching biotech DAOs. It is a deal that Jahed and Martin followed L1 Digital into and in this episode, we dig in to better understand Jake’s thought process on investing, how he stays current as both a DAO contributor and investor, and get insights generally on the ownership economy. We hope you enjoy the episode as much as we did.